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[DPSSOC]

Tali's a damsel in distress because she's young and trying to live up to the expectations put on her because of who her father is so she throws herself into situations that end up being more than she can handle. She's not some harmless waif that gets caught up in events she's a young woman chasing greatness because that's what she's expected to do.

[Homebound]

tali has a shotgun. in hardcore mode, with area energy drain, she becomes a tank vs geth. Tali pulled Shepdawg up when we jumped for the ship at the end.(at least for me)

wutcha know 'bout bein damsels in distress?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Who brought this thread back up?

[didymos1120]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Who brought this thread back up?

MajesticJazz.

[HealthyGiraffe]

I think Tali was specifically designed to appeal to nerds in Mass Effect 2. She's cute, she's shy, she's loyal, and she adores you. What more could you want?

I personally rather Ashley and Miranda. I like a girl that puts on a harsh front and doesn't play cute.

[Nashiktal]

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

I think Tali was specifically designed to appeal to nerds in Mass Effect 2. She's cute, she's shy, she's loyal, and she adores you. What more could you want?

I personally rather Ashley and Miranda. I like a girl that puts on a harsh front and doesn't play cute.

Designed for the nerds? I might agree with you, but the description you gave me says otherwise. 

Its like saying puppies were designed for girls.

[MadCat221]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

ME1: Save her from assasins

ME2: Save her from heavy mech

ME2: Save her from geth

ME2: Save her from exile

1: She hardly seems like she was going "Help me!  They have grabbed me in the Standard Female Grab Area, I am helpless!"  She even blew up a couple before the fight begun.

2: She didn't need saving, she was quite safe behind cover.  Well... as safe as anyone could be with a rampaging YMIR mech stomping about.

3: There are a few dead geth right inside the door, if you notice...

4: Or not.  She is completely willing to take the fall for her father's reputation.

Modifié par MadCat221, 24 avril 2011 - 06:15 .

[seirhart]

Tali is quite useful in combat; shoot she has saved me and my other squadmates on more than one occasion on hardcore and higher settings and let me tell you she has never died on any of my playthru's.

[Alienmorph]

Almost everyone in ME seems to be a total dumb always in need of be saved when he/she has not Shepard covering his/her back. At least Tali is one of those characters who always tries to fight back when she's in trouble: she does not close herself in giant bubble waiting for a miracle, for example.

[Barquiel]

Alienmorph wrote...

Almost everyone in ME seems to be a total dumb always in need of be saved when he/she has not Shepard covering his/her back. At least Tali is one of those characters who always tries to fight back when she's in trouble: she does not close herself in giant bubble waiting for a miracle, for example.

She doesn't fight on Freedom's Progress or Haestrom. Her squad fights.

[didymos1120]

Barquiel wrote...
She doesn't fight on Freedom's Progress or Haestrom. Her squad fights.

Because on Freedom's Progress, they were idiots who charged in ahead of time. Her priority then changed to trying and save those who still could be saved.  Had they followed the plan, she would have been fighting along with both you and them, and it wouldn't have been a giant FUBAR. 

On Haestrom, she did fight.  Just not after she got blockaded in that room.  Or did you not notice the wrecked geth in there with her?

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 avril 2011 - 10:05 .

[Barquiel]

didymos1120 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
She doesn't fight on Freedom's Progress or Haestrom. Her squad fights.

Because on Freedom's Progress, they were idiots who charged in ahead of time. Her priority then changed to trying and save those who still could be saved.  Had they followed the plan, she would have been fighting along with both you and them, and it wouldn't have been a giant FUBAR. 

On Haestrom, she did fight.  Just not after she got blockaded in that room.  Or did you not notice the wrecked geth in there with her?

Yes, but she does have to bear some responsibility for not being able to control Prazza on Freedom's Progress. She was the leader.

And Haestrom? She locks herself away in the observatory..."waiting for a miracle"

[didymos1120]

Barquiel wrote...
And Haestrom? She locks herself away in the observatory..."waiting for a miracle"

That was their objective. And she got cut-off through no fault of her own.  And of course she locked the door: she'd have been zerged to death otherwise.  What the hell else was she supposed to do at that point?

[SNascimento]

Tali is, combat wise, the weakest character in Shepard group. Both in ME1 and ME2. She is also the most naive and innocent, also, being a Quarian just doesn't help. What she sees in Shepard is very different from what Ashley or Mirando do.
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That said, I think it's unfiar to call her a damsel is distress, she is not helpless. As people already said, saving crewmates are a recurring factor in Shepard missions.
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However, is Haestrom she totally screwed up and showed her lack of leading skills. Both Miranda and the Shadow Broker state this. Actually, the latter is negatively impress if you bring Tali along to fight him.

[Barquiel]

didymos1120 wrote...

What the hell else was she supposed to do at that point?

I don't know...ask "Alienmorph"

He is obviously disappointed that Liara didn't kill all the geth (+krogan) on Therum. Maybe he has an idea...

Modifié par Barquiel, 24 avril 2011 - 10:33 .

[didymos1120]

SNascimento wrote...

However, is Haestrom she totally screwed up and showed her lack of leading skills.

She wasn't in charge on Haestrom.  Kal'Reegar was really running things.  She was basically the mission specialist.  Also and again: Haestrom wasn't her fault.  They were fine until the geth swarmed the hell out of them all. 

[SNascimento]

[quote]didymos1120 wrote...

[quote]SNascimento wrote...

However, is Haestrom she totally screwed up and showed her lack of leading skills.[/quote]

She wasn't in charge on Haestrom.  Kal'Reegar was really running things.  She was basically the mission specialist.  Also and again: Haestrom wasn't her fault.  They were fine until the geth swarmed the hell out of them all. 
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Of course she was. And  she is to blame there, as I said, other chracters in ME2 say this too. And saying They were fine until the geth swarmed the hell out of them all. is like saying: 'Everything was all right and it wasn't.

Modifié par SNascimento, 24 avril 2011 - 10:44 .

[didymos1120]

Point being: why are you blaming her for something utterly out of anyone's control?  They simply weren't set up to handle such a situation.  They were screwed, period, once the geth started spamming dropships.  All they could do at that point was hope to get in, grab the data, and get out.  The geth just sent more platforms, and made even that impossible.

[SNascimento]

didymos1120 wrote...

Point being: why are you blaming her for something utterly out of anyone's control?  They simply weren't set up to handle such a situation.  They were screwed, period, once the geth started spamming dropships.  All they could do at that point was hope to get in, grab the data, and get out.  The geth just sent more platforms, and made even that impossible.

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No, there are plenty of situation that Shepard rescues somebody that got in a situation because it was out of theirs control. Tali in ME1 for exemple. But in Haestrom is different. She had a mission, a team, and coudn't handle it. She is not resourceful and prepared when comes to this kind of things. 
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She is a genius engineer, that's it. 

[Dean_the_Young]

didymos1120 wrote...

Point being: why are you blaming her for something utterly out of anyone's control?  They simply weren't set up to handle such a situation.  They were screwed, period, once the geth started spamming dropships.  All they could do at that point was hope to get in, grab the data, and get out.  The geth just sent more platforms, and made even that impossible.

I wouldn't blame her, but I would blame the writing that insisted on setting up such circumstances.

For a candidate member for 'the best of the best', Tali has precious little content to support such a claim. Our greatest citation for her engineering skills weren't even in ME2, but Engineer Adams in ME1, and that's more of reason to hire her as a mechanic than a citation of her field-skills. In ME1, she was a scrappy Quarian of a team which made no pretensions or claims of being 'the best'.

For her and Garrus to be included in such a group in 2, the writers have an obligation to support that sort of claim. Which, in both cases, was less demonstrated by the presentation and more claimed despite the presentation.

[seirhart]

Tali wasn't in charge of the group in hastrom it was kal reegar; it was the quarian marines job to buy tali the time she needed to get the data and when that was done to get her out of their but when shepard and crew shows up everything went wrong.

[Gavinthelocust]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Well they had to make her the damsel because Liara was too busy being unlikable.

Wow I was an ass back then.

[Someone With Mass]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I wouldn't blame her, but I would blame the writing that insisted on setting up such circumstances.

For a candidate member for 'the best of the best', Tali has precious little content to support such a claim. Our greatest citation for her engineering skills weren't even in ME2, but Engineer Adams in ME1, and that's more of reason to hire her as a mechanic than a citation of her field-skills. In ME1, she was a scrappy Quarian of a team which made no pretensions or claims of being 'the best'.

For her and Garrus to be included in such a group in 2, the writers have an obligation to support that sort of claim. Which, in both cases, was less demonstrated by the presentation and more claimed despite the presentation.

The best of the best? Few on the team can qualify as professional if you ask me.

[gosimmons]

Can't deny she's had pretty bad luck as far as her own missions have gone, as well as most of the squaddies, but none of them seem to shrink away from fighting. Her and Kal Reegar seem to be trained to be able to hold their own, but I don't think that's where their strong suit is. Quarians aren't built as combat heavy as others, like say Krogan. And the lack of immune system doesn't help.

Not to say I wouldn't like to see every squaddie get their own crowning moments of awesome next game, rather than them needing rescuing. But in the end Tali wasn't brought on board for combat skills, she was known to be trustworthy and skilled with engineering/tech. (Would also like to think that convincing her and Legion to work together is a good sign for the whole quarian geth conflict)

Modifié par gosimmons, 24 avril 2011 - 05:33 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I wouldn't blame her, but I would blame the writing that insisted on setting up such circumstances.

For a candidate member for 'the best of the best', Tali has precious little content to support such a claim. Our greatest citation for her engineering skills weren't even in ME2, but Engineer Adams in ME1, and that's more of reason to hire her as a mechanic than a citation of her field-skills. In ME1, she was a scrappy Quarian of a team which made no pretensions or claims of being 'the best'.

For her and Garrus to be included in such a group in 2, the writers have an obligation to support that sort of claim. Which, in both cases, was less demonstrated by the presentation and more claimed despite the presentation.

The best of the best? Few on the team can qualify as professional if you ask me.

There's only a select few who'd I say are unprofessional. Tali, Garrus, and Zaeed are the only ones who acted "unprofessional" during their loyalty missions.