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[Gabey5]

same can be said about garrus or liara

[MajesticJazz]

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

I think Tali was specifically designed to appeal to nerds in Mass Effect 2. She's cute, she's shy, she's loyal, and she adores you. What more could you want?

I personally rather Ashley and Miranda. I like a girl that puts on a harsh front and doesn't play cute.

This is what I've been trying to say for a long while now, the notion that Tali was designed to appeal to the geeky/socially awkward type of male.

1) Does that mean that if you like Tali then you're a geek/socially awkward? But she was designed to appeal to those type of men who normally go for the geeky/shy/nerdy girls who isn't into cheerleading but rather Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, computers and all that stereotypical jazz. Liara in ME1 was the same way.

In contrast, you have characters like Ashley and Jack who initially come across as hardcore with this "leave me alone, I don't need a man" type of attitude. Of course they don't end like that once you romance then but like I said in a previous post, characters like Miranda, Jack, and Ashley all put up invisible walls that Shepard must break through before they start to pour their heart out to them. With Tali, there is no such wall/resistance as she just is just sooooo willing to spread her legs for male Shepard.

2) Then you have the idea that Tali is SUCH a Shepard ego-stroker and acts like male Shepard is some sort of mortal God whos this and whos that and can do this and can do that you're so talented this and you're so talented that. It really makes the player feel good about himself and this is attention that he doesn't get with Ashley, Miranda, and Jack. They don't kiss Shepard's feet the same way Tali does in ME2.

3) She is VERY submissive when talking to Shepard unlike Miranda, Ashley, and Jack. This is something that MOST men geeky or not likes in a women because it gives enlightment to their masculinity.  This sort of goes into #2 and #1 in the sense that she puts up no resistance for Shepard and puts Shepard on a pedestal unlike the rest of the romances.
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Bioware always does this when doing romances. They create characters will different personalities so that we can pick one that we like. In DA2 we can go for the sexually aggressive Isabella with full features or we can go with the shy and socially inept elf in Merrill who is really naive. Same thing with ME. There is Ashley/Jack for those men who like women who puts up a fight. Then there is Miranda for men who are more about looks and sex appeal. Then there is Liara (ME1) and Tali (ME2) for men who are more into the naive "virgin type" of women who are really submissive.

Sometimes I'm not surprised to see that Tali is the most popular among the male gamers.

[Kabanya101]

Tali is the damsel because her people are weak and vulnerable. They can die from a small infection. So to change that around, she tries to help her people and ends up getting in trouble, and who better to save her than the man of two lives.

[jacobOriley]

MajesticJazz wrote...
This is what I've been trying to say for a long while now, the notion that Tali was designed to appeal to the geeky/socially awkward type of male.

1) Does that mean that if you like Tali then you're a geek/socially awkward? But she was designed to appeal to those type of men who normally go for the geeky/shy/nerdy girls who isn't into cheerleading but rather Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, computers and all that stereotypical jazz. Liara in ME1 was the same way.

In contrast, you have characters like Ashley and Jack who initially come across as hardcore with this "leave me alone, I don't need a man" type of attitude. Of course they don't end like that once you romance then but like I said in a previous post, characters like Miranda, Jack, and Ashley all put up invisible walls that Shepard must break through before they start to pour their heart out to them. With Tali, there is no such wall/resistance as she just is just sooooo willing to spread her legs for male Shepard.

2) Then you have the idea that Tali is SUCH a Shepard ego-stroker and acts like male Shepard is some sort of mortal God whos this and whos that and can do this and can do that you're so talented this and you're so talented that. It really makes the player feel good about himself and this is attention that he doesn't get with Ashley, Miranda, and Jack. They don't kiss Shepard's feet the same way Tali does in ME2.

3) She is VERY submissive when talking to Shepard unlike Miranda, Ashley, and Jack. This is something that MOST men geeky or not likes in a women because it gives enlightment to their masculinity.  This sort of goes into #2 and #1 in the sense that she puts up no resistance for Shepard and puts Shepard on a pedestal unlike the rest of the romances.
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Bioware always does this when doing romances. They create characters will different personalities so that we can pick one that we like. In DA2 we can go for the sexually aggressive Isabella with full features or we can go with the shy and socially inept elf in Merrill who is really naive. Same thing with ME. There is Ashley/Jack for those men who like women who puts up a fight. Then there is Miranda for men who are more about looks and sex appeal. Then there is Liara (ME1) and Tali (ME2) for men who are more into the naive "virgin type" of women who are really submissive.

Sometimes I'm not surprised to see that Tali is the most popular among the male gamers.

Wow...just wow!    You necro this thread for that! Wow.....

Modifié par jacobOriley, 24 avril 2011 - 07:00 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

OldMan91 wrote...

The whole damned galaxy is a damsel in distress.

^ This Tali is not unique in the damsel thing she only technically needed rescuing in ME2 once during Hastrom and it wasn't even she who asked for it you got a heads up by TIM I guess. Also everyone needs rescuing multiple times if they're sent into the SM vents.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The best of the best? Few on the team can qualify as professional if you ask me.

Special forces can be unprofessional, but they're the best of the best even so.

'Disciplined soldier' isn't the same as best... though, by all accounts, a good team with teamwork should be able to take down Shepard's dirty dozen.

[MajesticJazz]

Tali: What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy?

If that isn't a recipe for Damsel in Distress then I dont know what is.

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 24 avril 2011 - 08:12 .

[Pwener2313]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

ME3: Save her from fire breathing reaper, while she is trapped in a tower?

She then has to  take off her helmet to let down her golden locks so Shepard and squad can climb up.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Is it so hard to understand that guys need to have their ego stroked every once in a while?

Cerberus spending an astronomical amount of resources to fund a medical miracle to revive us does not count.

[Pwener2313]

This thread was made a year ago..... someone around here is a hardcore necromancer.

[M8DMAN]

Yeah this thread is a little old.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 24 avril 2011 - 08:41 .

[Barquiel]

michaelrsa wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Tali: What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy?

If that isn't a recipe for Damsel in Distress then I dont know what is.

No, that's a recipe for gettin' it on.

Besides:

Ashley/Liara: What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy?

This works too.

not really...

That quote is part of Tali's romance, not Liara's/Ashley's.

[Mr.House]

michaelrsa wrote...
No, that's a recipe for gettin' it on.

Besides:

Ashley/Liara: What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy?

This works too.

First they don't say that, second Liara get's upset when you help her in LotSB, where Tali loves to get saved for you. Ash/Kai say nothing so no they don't fit it.

Nice try though.

[jacobOriley]

Pwener2313 wrote...

This thread was made a year ago..... someone around here is a hardcore necromancer.

That would be Majestic, seems to fit his/her agenda.

[Someone With Mass]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Tali: What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy?

If that isn't a recipe for Damsel in Distress then I dont know what is.

And you know what? I'm okay with it. It's nice to know that someone cares.

Better than the lame and very generic ice queen routine other characters are doing.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Someone With Mass wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Tali: What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy?

If that isn't a recipe for Damsel in Distress then I dont know what is.

And you know what? I'm okay with it. It's nice to know that someone cares.

Better than the lame and very generic ice queen routine other characters are doing.

Same. It didn't occupy a large part of the story (that would have been too much) and made Tali's character distinct from the others to a certain extent. Whether one likes that character or not is up to each player. I personally like Tali quite a bit.

[naledgeborn]

This is why I like Miranda.
Ashley, rescued on Eden Prime, Horizon
Jack, rescued from Purgatory
Liara, rescued on Therum
Tali, rescued on Citadel, Freedom's Progress, Haestrom, and from Exile

Miranda....rescues Shepard. From clinical death. For 2 years. That's badass. Only female LI on his level pre-LotSB. Ashley might step up a notch in ME3 but that remains to be seen. So yeah. I like them all (except for Tali, sorry "mancers) but Miranda is my favorite by a large margin for this and other reasons.

[MajesticJazz]

Pwener2313 wrote...

This thread was made a year ago..... someone around here is a hardcore necromancer.

Its funny how whenever someone creates a topic that has already been done before, people want to b***h about how "You should use the search feature" or "Search is your friend" or some sarcastic remark like that. So when someone has an idea about a thread but does a search to see if one similar has already been done and decides to post in that one, he/she is a person who is a "necro".

Damn if you do and damn if you dont I guess.

[MajesticJazz]

Someone With Mass wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Tali: What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy?

If that isn't a recipe for Damsel in Distress then I dont know what is.

Better than the lame and very generic ice queen routine other characters are doing.

Well different strokes for different folks. When playing as a male character in an RPG game, I tend to approachh romances the same way I would in real life. I do not mind the "ice queen" type of female who doesn't go all out about how she wants to have sex with me in our first few conversations. If I really see the girl as a potential GF, then I would like for her to have her guard up and have somewhat of a wall. This is why someone like Ashley appealed to me  because she was very.....human no pun intended. She teases, but not to the point where she is just trying to play hard to get. She makes it clear that she has a sexual attraction to you, but only after a you've gotten to known each other and even then, she still continues to tease and make fun of you and so on. Point is, I like to flirt and you can do that with Ashley. With Tali in ME2, there was no flirting, it was just Shepard coming down to check on her and next thing you know she is talking about linking suits.....

[TheBlackBaron]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

And you know what? I'm okay with it. It's nice to know that someone cares.

Better than the lame and very generic ice queen routine other characters are doing.

Same. It didn't occupy a large part of the story (that would have been too much) and made Tali's character distinct from the others to a certain extent. Whether one likes that character or not is up to each player. I personally like Tali quite a bit.

This. 

Frankly, I like both "kinds". I romanced Ashley in ME1 and I romanced Tali in ME2. That's the beauty of choice. Nobody needs to write up a freaking essay insinuating that all Tali-romancers are lonely nerds (which, well, most of them are, but that applies to all the romances) and that you're so superior for liking LI X over LI Y.