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War or Peace, The Quarian Condition


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It’s obvious that the Quarian people want their homeworld back, and a large majority would go to war for it. Even Tali has the tendency to agree with open war with the Geth to take back the homeworld, the question is are you willing to support the idea of war? Or do you advocate peace, and that the Quarian’s need to find a new colony world?

This has been on my mind for a while now, I’ve been playing a character that makes the choices and dialogue t
hat I personally would make, and I am stuck. Hell it bothers me so much I had a damn nightmare last night about it, so would I advocate open war with the Geth, a people that were wronged 3oo years ago due to the Quarian‘s inability to take responsibility for the life they accidentally created, so the Quarian people might take back their homeworld. Tali, the love of my life wants her home back, that much is clear, and she along with many of her people would sacrifice a great deal for that dream of finally taking their masks off on their ancestral home to be a reality, but is it worth the risk? I would like nothing better then to help the Quarian people get their home back, but to go to war with the Geth! They did nothing wrong, plus war between the Quarians and the Geth would be disastrous for both sides, it’s not even definite that the Quarians could win, the entire fleet could be wiped out over the plantet they evolved from and the Quarian people would be lost forever.

So this is the question, is the hope that Tali’s dream as well as the dream of her people worth open war with the Geth, a people who were greatly wronged. Or should the Quarians give up on the ambitious dream to retake their home world to in favor of peace? Would you’ll be able to look Tali in the eyes and tell her and her people to give up on their homeworld to preserve the quantity of Quarian life, or risk war to improve the quality of Quarian life?

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SuperZombieChow

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Peace, with the idea that if the Quarians get over their 300 year old grudge the Geth might just GIVE back their planet.



Plus I need that fleet. Gots me a galactic war to fight.

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17 Millions Quarians vs. Billions of Geth platforms



those odds aren't very good...even with a large fleet



I'd prefer peace, so we have two extra fleets to fight the reapers (possibly)

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The quarians might have an edge if they manage to develop good enough computer viruses to infect the geth with, despite of the actual numbers, but I'm still for peace. The geth have gotten past the old hatred. It's time for the quarians to follow the suit.

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if quarians decide to throw their fleet at the geth it would be like committing suicide.

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Kaiser Shepard

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Hopefully peace. If I absolutely need to choose, though, I will side with the geth.

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I don't care, I'm human.

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Story wise, you are going to need both the Huge Quarian Fleet and the Millions of Geth Platforms for the Reapers. I think peace as Paragon is possible. The Quarians want their planet and Legion Stated that the Geth stay mostly in space stations. So its all a matter of can the Quarians get over the trauma of losing their home and can the Geth overcome the fact that they where 'rejected' by their creators.

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GnusmasTHX wrote...

I don't care, I'm human.


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Enslave them! Make a virus that attacks the major geth network and instantly most geth are under your control!!!

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Logistically, everything we're led to believe shows that the quarians could not possibly win such a conflict without some sort of superweapon like the virus that you can destroy in Legion's loyalty mission. Therefore, if the quarians wish to continue existing, peace is the only reasonable answer.



Now if they do develop such a virus/superweapon, then I will still say that I would support peace as the better option. Assuming the whole Heretics story is true, the geth haven't done anything to them other than defend themselves. They rightfully lost their homeworld in that conflict, and it can be argued equally that it is also the geth homeworld. After all, it is where they were created.



If peace goes sufficiently well, the geth might even be convinced to allow the quarians to take back the dextro-amino acid based world that is highly conducive to their form of life, while the geth are able to function equally well on any world without extreme radiation/pressure conditions. But even this would be at the option of the geth, who should not be expected to make such a concession except out of pure benevolence.

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I am going for peace. There is no way that the Quarians would survive an all out war against the Geth. Also, according to Legion, the Geth do not wish to cause harm to the creators. Their homeworld may be gone, but it's not the fault of the Geth.

I would say just try to find a new planet. It'll be difficult, but a much better option than war.

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Aisynia wrote...

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Hahaha, yeah, I was so woried about my spelling that I forgot about that, sorry.

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Death to the Quarians!

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The Angry One wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

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Should've seen that coming. :)

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To quote Kal'Reegar: "If the Admiralty throws the fleet at geth all they'll get back is scrap metal."



Peace seems to be the only chance the quarians have. Legion even states that they are willing to do their part in regards to peace. The quarians also need to understand that the geth don't fully understand why the quarians turned on them... and Legion and Tali are the keys to that.

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Peace!

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They dont deserve their home world back...if there were to be a war my shepard would support the geth...not to mention the fact that every quarian i have encountered has annoyed me to no avail.

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I don't think the Geth give a **** if they go back, they don't live there. They have been practically keeping it clean for them ever since they left.

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Logically peace the only way. Though peace is suggested as a possibility if you talk to several characters in the game. If you presented the evidence (I didn't but I did watch the youtube video) during the trial you learn the quarian fleet splits up over whether to have peace with geth or go to war. This means that a huge amount of quarians are for peace. Koris is part of the Admiralty board and advocates peace. Shala'Raan seems like she would be open to it. Next we have Legion. Legion mentions that the Geth have no grudges against the quarians. They want peace but currently see that the quarians would attack them 100% of the time given the chance. Of course I would point out its(since its a machine without gender) idiocy that the only reason the quarians are considering going to war is to get back their homeworld. Through Legion we find out that the Geth don't even use the quarian homeworld, that the only geth on the planet are taking care of it. It was here I wished they had a "WTF" dialogue branch. Legion does seem to trust you since it tels you about the Geth's plans for the future. I do believe that Tali and Legion will play a huge role in the relationship between the quarians and geth whether the conflict happens in DLC or in ME3 (though I think it'll be an expansion DLC similar to DAO: Awakening).

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The Quarians have one of the biggest & deadliest fleets in all of the galaxy.They have been testing weopons and viruses for the last 300 years. LOL Peace is the only reasonable outcome when the Quarians recently had a vote on going to war.And almost had it passed. Wow peace is the only answer.No... No it's not. Your either going to win or lose a war, yea it's risky.Doesn't mean it can't happen.

 I agree.OO wait no I don't lol Killing Millions is NOT self-defense it excesive force.Ending a war by killing off all Quarians is wrong.No matter how you look at it.The Geth never stopped. The only reason the Quarians escaped is because the Geth COULD NOT pursue beyond the veil.Due to they do not  function properly.(Legion)Until Bioware tells me diff, the Geth never stopped. It would seem to be common sense but hey. At some point the defender(Geth) became the agressor. The Geth did win. The Quarians would not have left unless the Geth threaten to wipe them all out.

Take back? It's the Quarian homeworld. The Geth are holding it from the Quarians (not for). Why else do they live in space and not on their planet? O because the GETH ran them from their homeworld and didn't and hasn't given it back.
See in my eyes the Geth are just as wrong as the Quarians. So it wouldn't be "Pure Benevolence" as you say.

It's simple I disagree with youImage IPBImage IPB,but 300 years later it's time to get over it.I support Peace.Imagine that.

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Rip504 wrote...

The Quarians have one of the biggest & deadliest fleets in all of the galaxy.They have been testing weopons and viruses for the last 300 years. LOL Peace is the only reasonable outcome when the Quarians recently had a vote on going to war.And almost had it passed. Wow peace is the only answer.No... No it's not. Your either going to win or lose a war, yea it's risky.Doesn't mean it can't happen.

 I agree.OO wait no I don't lol Killing Millions is NOT self-defense it excesive force.Ending a war by killing off all Quarians is wrong.No matter how you look at it.The Geth never stopped. The only reason the Quarians escaped is because the Geth COULD NOT pursue beyond the veil.Due to they do not  function properly.(Legion)Until Bioware tells me diff, the Geth never stopped. It would seem to be common sense but hey. At some point the defender(Geth) became the agressor. The Geth did win. The Quarians would not have left unless the Geth threaten to wipe them all out.

Take back? It's the Quarian homeworld. The Geth are holding it from the Quarians (not for). Why else do they live in space and not on their planet? O because the GETH ran them from their homeworld and didn't and hasn't given it back.
See in my eyes the Geth are just as wrong as the Quarians. So it wouldn't be "Pure Benevolence" as you say.

It's simple I disagree with youImage IPBImage IPB,but 300 years later it's time to get over it.I support Peace.Imagine that.

They already lost the first war against the Geth when they were in a much much better position and the Geth in a much worse.

I also don't get how they are supposed to have such a deadly fleet. Sure they have got a lot of ships, but most of those are old and probably just used to support the population. I can't imagine them winning against any of the council races, much less against the Geth which seem to be the strongest military force in the ME universe (aside from the Reapers).

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Peace. Geth would just give them the planet if the Quarians would not try to kill them anyway.

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BlightWalker wrote...
They already lost the first war against the Geth when they were in a much much better position and the Geth in a much worse.

I also don't get how they are supposed to have such a deadly fleet. Sure they have got a lot of ships, but most of those are old and probably just used to support the population. I can't imagine them winning against any of the council races, much less against the Geth which seem to be the strongest military force in the ME universe (aside from the Reapers).


"Quantity has a quality all of its own." - Joseph Stalin

The Quarian fleet is absolutely massive. The biggest fleet in the entire galaxy. And it has the advantage of all being in the same place, all the time. Other races have planets and colonies to protect, and have to spread themselves out. The Quarians could attack any colony they wish, with every ounce of their force.

Of course, if they actually managed to take back their planet then they would lose their advantage, and ironically become significantly weaker, but there it is. Tens of thousands of mediocre, older ships that can operate anywhere do have a significant advantage against hundreds of ships shackled to known locations.

EDIT: The Geth threat is unknown, so assuming that they are among the greatest military might seems unlikely. While they can replicate themselves they are still stuck out beyond the veil. I'd put them on par with the Alliance or the Turians, certainly a significant contender but not necessarily the be all end all of galactic military might. Why would they be? They only need the forces if they intended to attack into citadel space, which would be a waste of resources for a species that can live entirely off asteroids and bases in the otherwise uninhabitable space between stars. I suspect that the Fleet with Soverign was a very significant portion of the Geth military.

Modifié par SuperZombieChow, 26 février 2010 - 01:20 .