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[Jimbe2693]

I'd side with the Geth and take down the Quarians tbh

[Timey254]

The Geth would have no problem, to leave the homewold. Legion said Geth prefer Space-stations as more "effective", they just "clean" up the planet after the war (and still aren't done after 300 years. I don't want to know how the planet looked like shortly after the Morning-war)

[Xandurpein]

I think there certainly is some similarities between the Quarians and jewish zionism. Both in the way the wander the galaxy dreaming of their lost home and how they are treated by second class citizens by the rest of the galaxy. I don't think the Geth are that attached to the homeworld the way the Quarians are though, so maybe there is a better chance for real peace in Mass Effect than in the middle east.



As much as my Shepard loves Tali I can't ever see myself support rewriting the Geth into Quarian slaves. That would put the Quarians in the same moral category as the Reapers who turned the protheans into brain dead slaves and humans into husks.

[COLK-KiLL]

Timey254 wrote...

The Geth would have no problem, to leave the homewold. Legion said Geth prefer Space-stations as more "effective", they just "clean" up the planet after the war (and still aren't done after 300 years. I don't want to know how the planet looked like shortly after the Morning-war)

legion said the preferred space stations but they probably filled the planet before they started making space stations to house them selves in. if thats the case it would take years and years just to make the ships necessary to get them all off world, not to mention build all the stations and hubs.

[walk0nwalls]

I hear your pain my brother. And my conditions are this.



Peace, right up until it consensus cannot be achieved. At which point. I will single-handedly wipe out the entire geth population on the quarian homeworld. Because Shepherd is on a boat.



In all seriousness though, if the geth insist on staying on the quarian homeworld, devoid of negotiation, they're synthetics. I don't really think they have equal ownership to the area considering that their necessities so distinctly dwarf those of organics.

[GnusmasTHX]

SuperZombieChow wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...
They already lost the first war against the Geth when they were in a much much better position and the Geth in a much worse.

I also don't get how they are supposed to have such a deadly fleet. Sure they have got a lot of ships, but most of those are old and probably just used to support the population. I can't imagine them winning against any of the council races, much less against the Geth which seem to be the strongest military force in the ME universe (aside from the Reapers).

EDIT: The Geth threat is unknown, so assuming that they are among the greatest military might seems unlikely. While they can replicate themselves they are still stuck out beyond the veil. I'd put them on par with the Alliance or the Turians, certainly a significant contender but not necessarily the be all end all of galactic military might. Why would they be? They only need the forces if they intended to attack into citadel space, which would be a waste of resources for a species that can live entirely off asteroids and bases in the otherwise uninhabitable space between stars. I suspect that the Fleet with Soverign was a very significant portion of the Geth military.

The geth aren't STUCK in/behind the Veil, they CHOOSE to be there.

They also do significant mining and resource collection, so they obviously have a sizable armed forces. Especially considering EVERY geth unit is basically a weapons platform.

Their general military technology is also the most advanced.

[Mox Ruuga]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I don't care, I'm human.

The quarians have no purpose but to die by my hand. The most useless species of Mass Effect, bunch of losers, stuck on their ramshackle ships for three centuries, whining about their lot. Seriously, there are unclaimed and uncolonized garden worlds out there...

[Lord_Metal666]

SuperZombieChow wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...
They already lost the first war against the Geth when they were in a much much better position and the Geth in a much worse.

I also don't get how they are supposed to have such a deadly fleet. Sure they have got a lot of ships, but most of those are old and probably just used to support the population. I can't imagine them winning against any of the council races, much less against the Geth which seem to be the strongest military force in the ME universe (aside from the Reapers).

"Quantity has a quality all of its own." - Joseph Stalin

The Quarian fleet is absolutely massive. The biggest fleet in the entire galaxy. And it has the advantage of all being in the same place, all the time. Other races have planets and colonies to protect, and have to spread themselves out. The Quarians could attack any colony they wish, with every ounce of their force.

Of course, if they actually managed to take back their planet then they would lose their advantage, and ironically become significantly weaker, but there it is. Tens of thousands of mediocre, older ships that can operate anywhere do have a significant advantage against hundreds of ships shackled to known locations.

EDIT: The Geth threat is unknown, so assuming that they are among the greatest military might seems unlikely. While they can replicate themselves they are still stuck out beyond the veil. I'd put them on par with the Alliance or the Turians, certainly a significant contender but not necessarily the be all end all of galactic military might. Why would they be? They only need the forces if they intended to attack into citadel space, which would be a waste of resources for a species that can live entirely off asteroids and bases in the otherwise uninhabitable space between stars. I suspect that the Fleet with Soverign was a very significant portion of the Geth military.

Go play the game again.

I can't remember which system the information is, but there is a massive geth fleet consisting of between 5000-10000 warships moving between two planets in one of the outer geth systems, and that is only one system.

It also states in the game that the heretics consist of only a small proportion possibly only 5% of the geth population. That heretic station that you go into, which is only of many heretic space stations is massive, it contains a large corridor that is 5km long, and has millions of geth platforms in it.

Honestly if the Quarians did decide to go to war against the geth I don't even think they'd make it to their homeworld.

[Sockwolf]

The geth have no attachment to the quarian homeworld. It holds no strategic importance and it's not like they need special atmospheric conditions to survive. I think if a peaceful resolution could be made, I see no reason why the geth wouldn't give it back out of sheer apathy.

[PatchWorks]

Lord_Metal666 wrote...

SuperZombieChow wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...

They already lost the first war against the Geth when they were in a much much better position and the Geth in a much worse.



I also don't get how they are supposed to have such a deadly fleet. Sure they have got a lot of ships, but most of those are old and probably just used to support the population. I can't imagine them winning against any of the council races, much less against the Geth which seem to be the strongest military force in the ME universe (aside from the Reapers).

"Quantity has a quality all of its own." - Joseph Stalin



The Quarian fleet is absolutely massive. The biggest fleet in the entire galaxy. And it has the advantage of all being in the same place, all the time. Other races have planets and colonies to protect, and have to spread themselves out. The Quarians could attack any colony they wish, with every ounce of their force.



Of course, if they actually managed to take back their planet then they would lose their advantage, and ironically become significantly weaker, but there it is. Tens of thousands of mediocre, older ships that can operate anywhere do have a significant advantage against hundreds of ships shackled to known locations.



EDIT: The Geth threat is unknown, so assuming that they are among the greatest military might seems unlikely. While they can replicate themselves they are still stuck out beyond the veil. I'd put them on par with the Alliance or the Turians, certainly a significant contender but not necessarily the be all end all of galactic military might. Why would they be? They only need the forces if they intended to attack into citadel space, which would be a waste of resources for a species that can live entirely off asteroids and bases in the otherwise uninhabitable space between stars. I suspect that the Fleet with Soverign was a very significant portion of the Geth military.

Go play the game again.



I can't remember which system the information is, but there is a massive geth fleet consisting of between 5000-10000 warships moving between two planets in one of the outer geth systems, and that is only one system.



It also states in the game that the heretics consist of only a small proportion possibly only 5% of the geth population. That heretic station that you go into, which is only of many heretic space stations is massive, it contains a large corridor that is 5km long, and has millions of geth platforms in it.



Honestly if the Quarians did decide to go to war against the geth I don't even think they'd make it to their homeworld.

This sort of logic assumes the Quarians would attempt to fight the Geth in some sort of standard drawn out campaign. Nothing of the sort, in game, suggests that they are that stupid. Quarian military planners are obviously looking into asymetrical warfare strategies.



The weapon/virus/hacking technique being developed on the Alerei pretty much points to that. What will it matter how many mobile platforms the geth can muster when the quarians unleash a weapon that instantly counteracts their defenses against hacking and straight out reprograms the lot of them? The heretic station incident showed it can be done already.



It's just rather coincidental that the Quarians are developing the same type of weapon/virus that the Heretics/Reapers had at the same time.



If push comes to shove, desperation could very well drive the Quarians to cooperating with the Reapers to destroy or master the Geth completely.

[Xandurpein]

GnusmasTHX wrote...


They also do significant mining and resource collection, so they obviously have a sizable armed forces. Especially considering EVERY geth unit is basically a weapons platform.

If you listen to Legion you will realize that the actual Geth are just pieces of software. In times of war some of them will download themselves to mobile platforms, which are the robots we call Geth. In Legions lyalty quest you kill maybe a dozen or so Geth every time you kill a mobile platform ('Geth trooper') and probably thousands of Geth every time you destroy an inanimate hub. So no, every Geth is not a weapons platform.

[wolfstanus]

Their fleet has maybe 90 years left... Its falling apart... literally. can't can't keeep up with the brake downs to keep them going and they can't replace them fast enough... The would not make it. Think about it 50000+ ships lasting only 90 years under normal quarian use is not a long time....

[Dracotamer]

Peace! The Geth have no hatred for their creators, so I think a peaceful solution is possible.

Modifié par Dracotamer, 26 février 2010 - 09:49 .

[tmp7704]

COLK-KiLL wrote...

No offence but i think your dead wrong, and i hope your wrong there should be at least 4 options if not 5.
1.Broker peace let Geth have world (Paragon)
2.Broker Peace let Quarians have world (Paragon)
3.Incite war help Geth (Renegade)
4.Incite war help Quarians (Renegade)
5.Leave the damn Quarians and Geth to decide whats right for them selves. (neutral)

There's also:

6. Tell the geth to gtfo of quarian world *now* to their Dyson sphere if they really desire peace as they claim to. Let the quarians know they can move back in.

no one asked the geth to play space hippies and do any restorations. I'm fairly sure if someone asked the quarians they'd prefer to get their world now in whatever shape it is rather than further 50+ years down the road or however more time the geth are planning to spend dicking around on it.

[COLK-KiLL]

tmp7704 wrote...

COLK-KiLL wrote...

No offence but i think your dead wrong, and i hope your wrong there should be at least 4 options if not 5.
1.Broker peace let Geth have world (Paragon)
2.Broker Peace let Quarians have world (Paragon)
3.Incite war help Geth (Renegade)
4.Incite war help Quarians (Renegade)
5.Leave the damn Quarians and Geth to decide whats right for them selves. (neutral)

There's also:

6. Tell the geth to gtfo of quarian world *now* to their Dyson sphere if they really desire peace as they claim to. Let the quarians know they can move back in.

no one asked the geth to play space hippies and do any restorations. I'm fairly sure if someone asked the quarians they'd prefer to get their world now in whatever shape it is rather than further 50+ years down the road or however more time the geth are planning to spend dicking around on it.

true but i kinda thought that option was 2. unless your claming it should be 6. and renegade?

[Klimy]

In the novel they were attacked by Cerberus, and it was mentioned that their outdated weapons could not stand a chance against Cerberus, nor did their shields could resists a fight. In the game itself they were fighting Geth, thus my theory is that they have scavenged some good stuff, but most of it is old or half-working.
Same goes for their ships. As ships are very expensive to buy, so it means that they use very old ones or build themselves out of several broken ones. And with their lack of space I don't think they will store too much ammunition on board.
Thus they will not stand a chance in land combat, they will be destroyed in space, or even if they can make some sort of a fight, then they will run out of ammo very soon.

Because I find Quarians best race in ME and Tali as best char thus I don't want them to die by the hand of Geth. So would be nice if they will find a new home. It might be good that they will get their home back, but it was 300 years and Geth didn't just sit and do nothing except taking care of quarian homes. Thus I think their homeworld was turned into some sort of deathstar (

So unless in ME3 we find some way to make Quarians suitable for such a war (maybe some virus that will kill them all without a fight) then I would like Quarians to find a new home.

PS: Keep your hate and flaming to yourself. Thats how I play my game and don't froce my gameplay on you. Council and Quarians FTW!!

Modifié par Klimy, 26 février 2010 - 08:20 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Xandurpein wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...


They also do significant mining and resource collection, so they obviously have a sizable armed forces. Especially considering EVERY geth unit is basically a weapons platform.

If you listen to Legion you will realize that the actual Geth are just pieces of software. In times of war some of them will download themselves to mobile platforms, which are the robots we call Geth. In Legions lyalty quest you kill maybe a dozen or so Geth every time you kill a mobile platform ('Geth trooper') and probably thousands of Geth every time you destroy an inanimate hub. So no, every Geth is not a weapons platform.

Semantics. You don't need to mine planets to write software. (Not in these amounts.)

[GuardianAngel470]

Dude, peace would result in the quarians getting their homeworld back. They wouldn't have to find a colony because the geth would hand them their planet back, they aren't using it.

[GuardianAngel470]

@LuckyIronAxe



Because, if you didnt give legion to cerberus, he tells you that the geth are only caretakers of the worlds the quarians left. He also says that all geth live in spacestations and mine asteroids. The geth see the quarian homeworld as we see our cemetaries, land to be preserved and taken care of, not occupied. If the geth had reason to believe that the quarians wouldn't attack them then they have no further reason to have forces on the quarian homeworld. The thing that is standing in the way of the quarians being given their homeworld back is that "when the quarian creators have believed they could win [a war against the geth] they have attacked 100% of the time," as said by legion. The quarian homeworld is beyond the Veil, and thus in geth space. The quarians haven't been allowed to return because the geth have no reason to believe the quarians wouldn't attack. If a truce was negotiated and the whole fleet was in agreement, then the geth would have a reason to believe that the quarians wouldn't attack, and then they would get their planet back.

[Mondo47]

Since the Geth refer to themselves as 'caretakers' of the Quarian homeworld, and have been actively patching up the mess the initial war caused there, peace has to be the best recourse. Geth don't breathe, don't require much room even for their mobile platforms, and in their natural software state require even less space. If everyone gets talking, they could probably ship off-world very fast and get to work on their super-mainframe-thing. And still have time to spare to make Tali a house.

Reach concensus. Stop shooting. Start communicating. Or it'll all end in tears. Peacenik out

[GnusmasTHX]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Dude, peace would result in the quarians getting their homeworld back. They wouldn't have to find a colony because the geth would hand them their planet back, they aren't using it.

Why would peace mean that the Quarians would get their planet back? If it was that simple, they would already have the planet back!

Because if you actually play the game, Legion says that the geth are only caretakers of planet, waiting to return it to the quarians whenever THEY find it appropriate to broker peace terms.

It's obviously not easy for the quarians to just admit and realize the genocide of their race was a misunderstanding, or an act of 'self-defense' as some would say. That's why it's not so easy to get their planet back. And again, if you played the game, you'd know this.

[Inverness Moon]

PatchWorks wrote...

"Every sapient has the right to make their own decisions" is what Legion states on the Heretic Station, but he has no qualms about brainwashing those Geth that disagree. How is what Admiral Daro-Xen planning any different from what Legion accomplishes already during his loyalty mission?

Legion also said he did not endorse the idea of brainwashing the heretics, he left that up to Shepard. Your argument is flawed.

Vaenier wrote...

Both sides attempted genocide. Both sides need to just drop it already, shake hands, and move on. More death is not going to help anybody [except the Reapers].

Incorrect. The quarians attempted genocide; geth "fought for continued existence."

GnusmasTHX wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Dude, peace would result in the quarians getting their homeworld back. They wouldn't have to find a colony because the geth would hand them their planet back, they aren't using it.

Why would peace mean that the Quarians would get their planet back? If it was that simple, they would already have the planet back!

Because if you actually play the game, Legion says that the geth are only caretakers of planet, waiting to return it to the quarians whenever THEY find it appropriate to broker peace terms.

It's obviously not easy for the quarians to just admit and realize the genocide of their race was a misunderstanding, or an act of 'self-defense' as some would say. That's why it's not so easy to get their planet back. And again, if you played the game, you'd know this.

And Legion says that the geth would attempt peace if they found that co-existance was possible or desirable for the quarians. I'm sure the geth would not want to let the quarians return if they feel the quarians aren't sure about their decision and might become hostile again in the heart of geth territory.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 26 février 2010 - 10:09 .