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[COLK-KiLL]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

While we're on the topic of the Geth being capable of lying, has anyone possibly considered the following:

Legion is actually aligned with the heretic Geth. He lied to Shepard about the Geth they were attacking on the "heretic" station, and, in fact, the entire plan was to either rewrite normal Geth into more heretics OR to just kill them right out to provide less opposition to the Reapers?

I understand the idea has holes in it, but if we assume that Geth have an understanding of what lying is, and we assume that Legion can lie to us, then this could make things far more complicated come ME3.

Thoughts?

too far fetched and not the kind thats like thats so far gone it might just work.

[gneissguy2003]

COLK-KiLL wrote...

gneissguy2003 wrote...

While we're on the topic of the Geth being capable of lying, has anyone possibly considered the following:

Legion is actually aligned with the heretic Geth. He lied to Shepard about the Geth they were attacking on the "heretic" station, and, in fact, the entire plan was to either rewrite normal Geth into more heretics OR to just kill them right out to provide less opposition to the Reapers?

I understand the idea has holes in it, but if we assume that Geth have an understanding of what lying is, and we assume that Legion can lie to us, then this could make things far more complicated come ME3.

Thoughts?

too far fetched and not the kind thats like thats so far gone it might just work.

As I said, the idea has a lot of potentially glaring holes in it. Still, who really knows how Bioware will take this story? I'm just throwing out ideas to try to stimulate conversation.

[AK2EL]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

While we're on the topic of the Geth being capable of lying, has anyone possibly considered the following:

Legion is actually aligned with the heretic Geth. He lied to Shepard about the Geth they were attacking on the "heretic" station, and, in fact, the entire plan was to either rewrite normal Geth into more heretics OR to just kill them right out to provide less opposition to the Reapers?

I understand the idea has holes in it, but if we assume that Geth have an understanding of what lying is, and we assume that Legion can lie to us, then this could make things far more complicated come ME3.

Thoughts?

My first thought was: Damnation! How could I be so stupid believing in the words of a machine!?!

But then again it would be an awesome plot twist ^^

[COLK-KiLL]

Mass effect is not an M. Night Shyamalan movie we don't need legion to be lying for a good plot to occur.

[Suron]

depends on what the geth "future" plan Legion talks about is...



we're not even 100% sure the Geth are gonna want peace completely...and even if we can take Legions word literally that they just want to be left alone...we have NO idea how the Herectics getting re-written (or not) will affect the Geth as a whole.



peace is always preferable...but the Geth have to be willing to cooperate

[Vaska_PacmanWow007]

The Quarians and Geth need to unite, i've been pushing for peace as a paragon. Quarians need to realize they are responsible for creating a new life. They should embrace the geth as their own rather then continuing a war, that they unleashed upon them themselves when they tried to destory the first of the ai's within the geth. Naturally the defended themselves as sentient beings which lead to a 300 year exile of their creators, they want answers; in a way geth are still children of the Quarians. Paragon actions among the two factions, should lead to a positive outcome, and allies against the Reavers in the final chapter in the trillogy.

[tmp7704]

COLK-KiLL wrote...

true but i kinda thought that option was 2. unless your claming it should be 6. and renegade?

I think it's slightly different from option #2 in the sense it views the whole "peace brokering" thing as pointless happy-huggy stuff which could just potentially slow things down and complicate something otherwise very simple. As such it's more of a neutral/renegade approach imo -- "i don't really care about whatever hurt feelings and grudges either of you might be nursing, neither of you have moral ground and even if one of you did then it still means squat because ultimately it's not about who wronged whom but about maybe finally moving the frak on. You've spent 300 years not talking to each other at all, you can keep that up each in your own room."

[Vaenier]

If I was the Geth, I would not mind if the Quarians came back to their homeworld. I would be happy to integrate into their society and help them rebuild as a sign of good will.

They gave the Geth life, and even if they did try to take it back, Geth are still grateful for that.

[Vaenier]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

While we're on the topic of the Geth being capable of lying, has anyone possibly considered the following:

Legion is actually aligned with the heretic Geth. He lied to Shepard about the Geth they were attacking on the "heretic" station, and, in fact, the entire plan was to either rewrite normal Geth into more heretics OR to just kill them right out to provide less opposition to the Reapers?

I understand the idea has holes in it, but if we assume that Geth have an understanding of what lying is, and we assume that Legion can lie to us, then this could make things far more complicated come ME3.

Thoughts?

Well, except that the virus is stored on a Reaper based peice of hardware, which Geth would not have and would only be available to Heretics. and Legion helped you to stop the Reapers latest plan, a plan which the Heretics would support because they are allied with the Reapers.

My final and greatest peice of evidence: Legion does the robot. He could not possibly be a Heretic.

[GuardianAngel470]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Yeah, I'm redoing my playthrough, this time I'm taking Legion to the Flotilla for Tali's mission, that will give me more perspective.

Or you could watch the youtube video one of these other guys linked to.

Hehehe, yeah, but the playthrough that I'm redoing is my Personal Shepard, choices I would make, I need Legion there so I have all the information to make the decision I would make with all the information that I can gather also I will now have the Geth point of view as well. Does that make sense?

That's exactly how I felt.  I would suggest not using your canon Shep, though, you are sacrificing the crew and I have no idea how having multiple threads of saves would affect the import to ME3.

PS: I know it's late, but I had a six hour college class I had to go to.

PPS: yes, what you said did indeed make sense.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 27 février 2010 - 07:39 .

[COLK-KiLL]

cant seem to post on the forums
edit* or at least on other threads

Modifié par COLK-KiLL, 03 mars 2010 - 05:05 .

[JulianusApostate]

I wouldn't call the Geth "people" exactly. I'm almost always the paragon in any situation. But there is just no trusting a sentient machine. It's all the logic and self preservation of a person, minus the morals and minus the emotion. It will do whatever is expedient. The geth trying to build that super space station will just make it easier to kill them all.

[Chamberboozer]

CanadAvenger wrote...

. Also, according to Legion, the Geth do not wish to cause harm to the creators.

Why would you trust Legion?

He has his uses, and for those uses he's trustable to a certain extent, but I wouldn't take his word for everything.

Seems as if he was created solely to seek out Shepard. Sounds like either a diplomacy mission, or an infiltration. Better to be safe than sorry.

[Nightwriter]

COLK-KiLL wrote...

Mass effect is not an M. Night Shyamalan movie we don't need legion to be lying for a good plot to occur.

Amen.

SO glad Shyamalan isn't at the reins here. Has anyone else seen a satisfying movie by him since The Sixth Sense?

Modifié par Nightwriter, 03 mars 2010 - 05:30 .

[TomBmbadil]

Vagula wrote...

Even though I loved him I never really trusted Legion. The geth had probably killed billions of quarians during the war and Legion doesn't seem to take any responsibility. Also war would make the game more dramatic.

In the Codex It said that when the Geth rebelled they wiped out 99% of the Quarian population, 99%!  Thats definitely billions, hell thats ****ing genocide, So all of you that say "It's just a grudge get over it" personally if an army of robots that I gave life to killed off 99% of my species that grudge would never go away.

[Esker02]

Best option is Admiral Xen's plan. Quarians get their property and home back. The Geth fleet's strength is still present to fight against the Reapers. Although "ordinarily" I would support a full on conflict if the Quarians were trying to get their homeworld back, I think given the galactic circumstances something more like reclaiming them would be the only option I could endorse. If that's not available, I'll need to broker peace out of necessity.

[Chamberboozer]

Its like the humans in Terminator. It's not forgivable.

[DarkNova50]

Ideally, the Quarians and Geth would be able to work out their past differences, and come to a peaceful state of co-existence. The Geth would benefit from the technical expertise of the Quarians, who could very well help their race advance, and the Quarians would recover their homeworld, and benefit from the assistance of the Geth.



Really, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to come together. Only the Heretical Geth seem to have anything against organics.

[TheContinuum]

I really hope for a peace. I think both sides are capable of not killing each other. To me it seems that most quarians recognize that creating/trying to kill the geth was a mistake, and they just want to live on their homeworld again. Only a few of the more extreme quarians want to eradicate the geth anymore, they're done fighting. The geth don't really use it, so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind the quarians living on it. The only thing that stands in the way is the fact that neither side has any reason to believe the other won't try to wipe the other out. But I'm guessing that will be a speech challenge in ME3. Plus, a war would be bad for the whole reaper situation: the galaxy is going to need every ship, soldier, and tech expert to win. Imagine a quarian-geth fleet backed by the might of the turian and Alliance navies. That would be awesome.

[Nolenthar]

The peace is eventually possible.

I read a lot about Quarians and Geths, but not much about Shepard. Clearly the relation between Legion and Shepard is important. Legion is a Geth diplomat. It's been created to meet the one who killed the Heretic God. The fact that it is wearing a N7 armor piece is a clue. He considers Shepard as a valuable person for its race, maybe the one who will change the geth's destiny. It's also why it never answers when we ask it why it uses this specific part rather another piece of metal.



In my opinion, the peace is possible if Shepard wants it. And both the Quarian and the Geth will be required for the war against de Rippers.



Deciding to choose one side or the other is a renegade choice, for sure. Paragon choice will eventually be the peace.

[Vanth]

Given the ease with which Shepard wiped out the heretic geth, I think the quarians would not find it too hard to wipe out the normal geth.

[Pauravi]

TomBmbadil wrote...

Vagula wrote...

Even though I loved him I never really trusted Legion. The geth had probably killed billions of quarians during the war and Legion doesn't seem to take any responsibility. Also war would make the game more dramatic.

In the Codex It said that when the Geth rebelled they wiped out 99% of the Quarian population, 99%!  Thats definitely billions, hell thats ****ing genocide, So all of you that say "It's just a grudge get over it" personally if an army of robots that I gave life to killed off 99% of my species that grudge would never go away.

Think of it this way.  The Quarians have two options:
1) Try to re-take their homeworld in open war with the Geth.  Quite frankly, they don't stand a chance of winning, and they risk essentially "committing suicide".  If the Migrant Fleet is destroyed, the Quarian race is done for, but at least they wouldn't have to make nice with the Geth, right?

2) Try to make peace with the Geth.  This requires them swallowing their hatred and fear, and coming to terms with the fact that they have spent many generations in needless hardship.  Admittedly, this is a very difficult thing to do: their entire race is now defined by the hardships that living in a fleet brings, and they have harbored an inherited hatred of the Geth ever since the Morning War.  However, if they can do it, they stand to not only gain back their homeworld, but to get it back in better condition than they left it.

Between having to swallow your pride but gaining your people's home back, and the death of your entire race but not having to admit you're wrong?  I'd say that the first option is better.

[GenericPlayer2]

Either way, if this issue is to be resolved in ME3 I hope Shep has a hand in resolving it, and that there are multiple paths to follow (e.g. peace, wipe out geth, wipe out quarians). If given a choice, I would probably have to defer judgement until I see the game. My initial instinct now would be to wipe out the Quarians. I don't like what I have seen of them thus far, and I don't know if they would be a worthy ally against the reapers. In addition, they really don't seem to be interested in the Reaper threat - they don't discount it like the Turian councilor, but they don't seem to care much either. I think if I give them their homeworld back they will be busy rejoicing and rebuilding. It all depends on if the Quarians have changed since ME2 or if they are similarly belligerent.



By contrast, Legion has shown me that the Geth can be trustworthy and formidable. Given that all these loyalty quests are optional, I am curious to see if the Geth/Quarian quandary will even be addressed in ME3, or if it will be peripheral to the story. With Tali's trial its easy, if you don't do it she is exiled, with Legion its tougher, since both endings in his quest require that the Heretic issue is dealt with one way or another.

[Chuvvy]

Peace the Quarians are stupid,and stubborn. Have they even considered diplomacy? Why not just ask for it back Legion tells you himself they just keep the Quarian home world clean.

One of the reasons I never use Tali is because everything somehow relates back to how the geth wronged them. They fought back because you were using them as slaves and then tried to commit genocide. Why not stop useing them for slave labor? Seems like that would work.
And I can't tell tali that which makes me a little frustrated if you can't tell from my post.

Modifié par Slidell505, 03 mars 2010 - 12:31 .