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[RyrineaNara]

DaeJi wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Then you have to watch out for "Jacob Syndrome".  I.e., they make a decent, regular dude who just does his job and handles his sh!t, and then people hate him 'cause he seems so boring compared to all the other angsted-out lunatics running around demanding your attention.  It's quite possible to have someone colorful and interesting without them being another Zevran.

Normal, down to Earth love interests do work a lot of the time though. Alistair and Kaidan are very popular among both women and men. I think the biggest problem with Jacob isn't who he is but how femShep talks to him.

Yeap the biggest problem is how Female Shepard talks to him. I'd say that it more Kaidan Syndrom than anything, because he is a stable guy that is  the soulder for Female Shepard. 

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 12 mars 2010 - 05:03 .

[Tadithryn]

I'd like to see same-sex love interests.
I was really excited when Thane made his debut in ME2. I thought he would be the M/M love interest, having convinced myself long ago that Bioware wouldn't ignore same-sex relationships in ME2 for those who are comfortable with their sexuality. Sadly, I was disappointed.

And the strangest thing is, I talked to Thane as male Shepard. A lot. I liked his perspective and beliefs (plus I think he's sexy in a curious sort of way), but I was never given an option to "kick it up a notch". I learned about his wife and son and religious beliefs etc etc.

In contrast, when I played through as female Shepard, I could get sweet on the male characters in the first dialogue encounter. At least it seemed that way. Here I am ready to sleep with them and I don't know anything about them.

Disappointed.

Anyway, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner now. They may need to call up the Battlestar Galactica writers to get them out if they decide to insert same-sex relationships in later Mass Effect games. If they do, the whole thing needs to be treated as bisexual interests and would require a new character(s). Please don't shoehorn it into existing characters. I like each of my crew members for who they are (except maybe Jack and Miranda *rolls eyes*). While my male Shepard would sleep with Thane in a heartbeat, his personality and perspectives have already been established. I don't need a one-night stand with him in ME3 just to satisfy my own curiosity.

However, someone new...

Modifié par Tadithryn, 12 mars 2010 - 04:47 .

[didymos1120]

DaeJi wrote...

Normal, down to Earth love interests do work a lot of the time though. Alistair and Kaidan are very popular among both women and men. I think the biggest problem with Jacob isn't who he is but how femShep talks to him.

I wouldn't consider either of them "[n]ormal, down to Earth" guys, actually.  Alistair is one of the last  two Darkspawn-fighting Grey Wardens from Ferelden, ex-Templar, secret bastard of the late king, and loves to mock anybody at any time, especially Morrigan.  Kaidan's one of those "crazy" L2 biotics, his powers were due to being exposed to possibly deliberately-released eezo while still in the womb, he endured the rather capital 'S' Spartan BAaT school, during which time he biotically killed his jerkass Turian instructor, thus making him singlehandedly responsible for the whole program being shut down (while still a teenager, mind you).  Then, almost as an afterthought, he joined the Alliance and made Lieutenant and was well-enough thought of to snag a posting on the most advanced and classified ship in the Alliance. Jacob's got nothing on those two, not even the bit about basically being a quasi-legal space pirate for a few years.

[JediMB]

diskoh wrote...

Yeah, seriously. After my first accidentally flirty conversation with him, I went back and chose the renegade options. Surprise.... she still flirts.

I thought it was easy. Just tell him you're talking to him as a fellow soldier, when asked.

At least I've assumed that's how I dodged the bullet, since it just seemed obvious to me in my one FemShep playthrough so far.

[Lightice_av]

At least I've assumed that's how I dodged the bullet, since it just seemed obvious to me in my one FemShep playthrough so far.

It works all right, but FemShep still tends to sound extremely flirty with Jacob, no matter what, which is more than a little annoying. I assume that the same applies to MShep with Miranda, but my only playthrough so far has been with FShep, so I can't be sure. It was the only time for me that bothered me with the dialogue system personally, but seeing how many people have had similar problems with many other characters, I hope that Bioware learns to make the romance options distinct by ME3.

[Wittand25]

Lightice_av wrote...

At least I've assumed that's how I dodged the bullet, since it just seemed obvious to me in my one FemShep playthrough so far.

It works all right, but FemShep still tends to sound extremely flirty with Jacob, no matter what, which is more than a little annoying. I assume that the same applies to MShep with Miranda, but my only playthrough so far has been with FShep, so I can't be sure. It was the only time for me that bothered me with the dialogue system personally, but seeing how many people have had similar problems with many other characters, I hope that Bioware learns to make the romance options distinct by ME3.

Not really after you tell her that you are not intrested in her you are unable to ever talk to her again because she is to busy ordering paperclips or whaterver she is doing.

[diskoh]

JediMB wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Yeah, seriously. After my first accidentally flirty conversation with him, I went back and chose the renegade options. Surprise.... she still flirts.

I thought it was easy. Just tell him you're talking to him as a fellow soldier, when asked.

At least I've assumed that's how I dodged the bullet, since it just seemed obvious to me in my one FemShep playthrough so far.

Do me a favor, go up to Jacob now and say "I'm interested in just talking for a bit" and let me know if you're still flirting or not.

[JediMB]

Oh, that's what you're saying. Yeah, that was kind of bothersome, and I prefer MaleShep's RobotVoice there.

[jlb524]

JediMB wrote...

Oh, that's what you're saying. Yeah, that was kind of bothersome, and I prefer MaleShep's RobotVoice there.

Yeah, that's the only time in game I prefer Meer's VO.  I wish I could temporarily switch it just for the Jacob convos.  I wouldn't even care if my FemShep sounded like a guy.

[Crazy_Cat_Lady]

Wittand25 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

At least I've assumed that's how I dodged the bullet, since it just seemed obvious to me in my one FemShep playthrough so far.

It works all right, but FemShep still tends to sound extremely flirty with Jacob, no matter what, which is more than a little annoying. I assume that the same applies to MShep with Miranda, but my only playthrough so far has been with FShep, so I can't be sure. It was the only time for me that bothered me with the dialogue system personally, but seeing how many people have had similar problems with many other characters, I hope that Bioware learns to make the romance options distinct by ME3.

Not really after you tell her that you are not intrested in her you are unable to ever talk to her again because she is to busy ordering paperclips or whaterver she is doing.

Haha!

Joker:  Uh, Miranda, the printer broke again.  Can you order another?
Miranda:  Sigh....alright.

[Crazy_Cat_Lady]

diskoh wrote...

JediMB wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Yeah, seriously. After my first accidentally flirty conversation with him, I went back and chose the renegade options. Surprise.... she still flirts.

I thought it was easy. Just tell him you're talking to him as a fellow soldier, when asked.

At least I've assumed that's how I dodged the bullet, since it just seemed obvious to me in my one FemShep playthrough so far.

Do me a favor, go up to Jacob now and say "I'm interested in just talking for a bit" and let me know if you're still flirting or not.

That's what Shepard says?  It always sounds like "I'm MORE interested than just talking for a bit"

[didymos1120]

Crazy_Cat_Lady wrote...
That's what Shepard says?  It always sounds like "I'm MORE interested than just talking for a bit"

There's a reason for that: that is what she says.

[Commander Shepard]

BTW for all the people in the gay group complaining about how I promoted collossus50000, Ill tell you why:

Yes he has said some things on here that can be seen as a little extreme and offensive. We discussed it and our group is working towards a friendlier attitude (yours should too!!). This was also discussed personally with your group leader.
Anyway he was promoted because he does a whole lot to improve the group in many ways. I wouldnt have said some of the things he said but we have agreed to refrain from that kind of thing from now on. We are even kicking people out of the group who act immaturely. If you find someone from our group acting immaturely, bashing, etc. let me know and I will deal with them. There is no need for our groups to be so hostile with each other.

Modifié par Commander Shepard, 12 mars 2010 - 09:46 .

[Lightice_av]

So far 90% of this thread's opposition has been sheer spamming and trolling. I am curious to see how well you succeed, but considering that the guy who you chose to promote hasn't changed a single of his pro-Hitler opinions, just agreed to stay silent about them, you haven't made a very good start.



But as I said, we shall see. Surprise me positively.

[SimonTheFrog]

Crazy_Cat_Lady wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

At least I've assumed that's how I dodged the bullet, since it just seemed obvious to me in my one FemShep playthrough so far.

It works all right, but FemShep still tends to sound extremely flirty with Jacob, no matter what, which is more than a little annoying. I assume that the same applies to MShep with Miranda, but my only playthrough so far has been with FShep, so I can't be sure. It was the only time for me that bothered me with the dialogue system personally, but seeing how many people have had similar problems with many other characters, I hope that Bioware learns to make the romance options distinct by ME3.

Not really after you tell her that you are not intrested in her you are unable to ever talk to her again because she is to busy ordering paperclips or whaterver she is doing.

Haha!

Joker:  Uh, Miranda, the printer broke again.  Can you order another?
Miranda:  Sigh....alright.

Hehe... that's funny. When i convinced Miranda to leave Cerberus i intentionally went to her room to see if she still writes her reports to TIM, and appearantly she did. Or your two theories are becoming less unlikely by the hour ^^

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 12 mars 2010 - 10:36 .

[Commander Shepard]

Lightice_av wrote...

So far 90% of this thread's opposition has been sheer spamming and trolling. I am curious to see how well you succeed, but considering that the guy who you chose to promote hasn't changed a single of his pro-Hitler opinions, just agreed to stay silent about them, you haven't made a very good start.

But as I said, we shall see. Surprise me positively.

I dont try to change peoples opinions unlike some of the fascists on here. He is entitled to have that opinion. Just because you dissagree with it, that doesnt make it wrong.  Im positive you have some very controversial opinions (everybody does) that your staying silent about. So how are you any different from him?

Modifié par Commander Shepard, 12 mars 2010 - 10:36 .

[ScotGaymer]

Those of us who support same sex romances want it because its not in the game. we dont want ME to become Gay Effect with all the characters randomly having sex with each other.

No.

We just want the option ADDED to have OUR ManShep be gay/bi and express his sexuality in a meaningful manner. And our FemShep to have a more meaningful f/f romance also.
One male character that is orientated towards blokes and one female for the girls. Thats it.

Straight Shepard doesnt need to pursue the male NPC (if he a guy) or the female NPC (if she a girl) if they dont want to. They could do the romance like Sky's in Jade Empire.

How many folk knew Sky was bi? Probably very few.

The "support heterosexuality" group is just offensive and pathetic that it even exists. Its a group dedicated entirely to taking away/preventing a choice. One that wouldnt affect str8s if it was in but would affect the gays and open minded folks if it isnt.
Its completely ridiculous. No one wants to elimate heterosexuality from Mass Effect. Not even the most hard core gaymers here. For us its just about equality; why are people actually trying to deny us that?

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 12 mars 2010 - 10:42 .

[Lightice_av]

So how are you any different from him?

Well, I've never admired a mass murderer, and I've never wanted to hurt anybody seriously, while he apparently revels in fantasies of killing groups of people he arbitrarily dislikes.Yeah, I'd say I'm pretty different from the guy in every way that counts.



Everybody is entitled to their opinion - I support variety. I only oppose opinions that wish to destroy that variety and impose homogenous order with no opportunity to choose otherwise. I am pro-heterosexual you know; I'm a straight guy myself. I completely support continued heterosexual romances in ME3. I just also happen to find the double-standard with homosexual romance in the franchise annoying for the sake of all those who who would enjoy the male version of it , and I don't think that I would lose anything if the option became available for those who want it. It would add greater variety and make Commander Shepard even more customizable than s/he already is, which is only a good thing. Opposing this simple possibility for its own sake is attacking other people's freedom of opinion.

If the supporters of this thread wanted to get rid of all heterosexuality in the game, you would have a point. None of them have ever supported anything that ridiculous, and as such you don't.

[Ziggy]

Commander Shepard wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

So far 90% of this thread's opposition has been sheer spamming and trolling. I am curious to see how well you succeed, but considering that the guy who you chose to promote hasn't changed a single of his pro-Hitler opinions, just agreed to stay silent about them, you haven't made a very good start.

But as I said, we shall see. Surprise me positively.

I dont try to change peoples opinions unlike some of the fascists on here. He is entitled to have that opinion. Just because you dissagree with it, that doesnt make it wrong.  Im positive you have some very controversial opinions (everybody does) that your staying silent about. So how are you any different from him?

He can't back his opinion up with reasoned arguments.
Opinions should be susceptible to change. If I hear something that makes more logical sense then my opinion, I'll change it happily. Having an immovable opinion based on nothing other than intolerance and prejudice is what makes it wrong.

[Collider]

Tadithryn wrote...

 If they do, the whole thing needs to be treated as bisexual interests and would require a new character(s). Please don't shoehorn it into existing characters. I like each of my crew members for who they are (except maybe Jack and Miranda *rolls eyes*). While my male Shepard would sleep with Thane in a heartbeat, his personality and perspectives have already been established. I don't need a one-night stand with him in ME3 just to satisfy my own curiosity.

However, someone new...

Agree completely. Don't change existing characters. Just make new gay or bisexual characters.

[Collider]

Charsen wrote...
The reason i am not sure i would like a new character is because then that guy would be known as "the gay guy" instead of what he was previously known as... and while i guess this is a minor point, i'd rather for the male fling (kelly's counterpart) to be an established member of the crew and not something tacked on like a band-aid.

If all that is required for a character to be known as "the gay guy" is for him to be gay, then it's not something that can be avoided. The best course of action in my opinion would be to make a squadmate or NPC that is fully fledged and does not mention his sexuality until Male Shepard shows interest in him. Just have an obvious romance dialogue choice like

"I'm interested in you romantically"

upon choosing this, male Shepard does not need to say it so bluntly, but now this male character can begin to flirt with male shepard.

[diskoh]

Bioware is treading dangerous ground by letting this neo-naz element take root here.

[Lightice_av]

Agree completely. Don't change existing characters. Just make new gay or bisexual characters.

It would be cheaper and easier to just make a couple of the existing options bisexual, but either way works.

Bioware is treading dangerous ground by letting this neo-naz element take root here.

I wouldn't worry. It's only a matter of time.

[Torpasia]

Collider wrote...

Charsen wrote...
The reason i am not sure i would like a new character is because then that guy would be known as "the gay guy" instead of what he was previously known as... and while i guess this is a minor point, i'd rather for the male fling (kelly's counterpart) to be an established member of the crew and not something tacked on like a band-aid.

If all that is required for a character to be known as "the gay guy" is for him to be gay, then it's not something that can be avoided. The best course of action in my opinion would be to make a squadmate or NPC that is fully fledged and does not mention his sexuality until Male Shepard shows interest in him. Just have an obvious romance dialogue choice like

"I'm interested in you romantically"

upon choosing this, male Shepard does not need to say it so bluntly, but now this male character can begin to flirt with male shepard.

What would be the point in introducing a new romance in the final installment of the trilogy, when it has nowhere to go? It would be far too late to go anywhere with it.

There's no reason they can't just go with the bi romances they were planning to begin with. It wouldn't be retconning; at least, not with Tali. Thane, he was married to a woman, so that's iffy.