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[Lightice_av]

Alright that's true, but using these circumstances wouldn't all Asari who mate with members of the same species be considered lesbian?

They're omnisexual. Like bisexual, except even wider perspective. 'Nuff said. Kelly seems to follow that philosophy, as well.

If a gay person hit on me in real life, I would be uncomfortable as well. It's just a personal peeve.

You can always say "no, thanks", like I would. It's not like anybody's demanding a compulsory gay romance in the game. Just one option for either sex.

[Ryzaki]

Iz Stoik zI wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Liara is female.

Mono gendered = ONE gender

One meaning female.

And all Shepards are not straight. That's incorrect. Now male shepards only had female LIs for romance options while female Shepards had one female LI for a romance option with the others being male except for one female fling for romance options would be correct.


The Asari have no concept of gender because they are all the same gender. That is what Liara meant. By organisms with 2 genders Asari are female. By Asari standards they are whatever they call themselves.

Alright that's true, but using these circumstances wouldn't all Asari who mate with members of the same species be considered lesbian? There are two point of views here; one is from a story perspective and the other is from the player's perspective. From the story's perspective, Asari can't really be considered gay because they can reproduce with members of either sex and because other Asari they mate with are also females.

Like Light said Omnisexual.

From the point of view of the player we see it as female-female, but in the way it fit into the story it was irrelevant what sex Shepard was. I may be off on this, but I'm just putting it out there.

In LIARA's perspective. In FemShep's perspective Liara is a woman.

Anyways, my intention is not to deny people content, I'm simply stating that it would make me uncomfortable. Like I said, I don't really have a problem with homosexuality as long as it isn't thrown in my face. If a gay person hit on me in real life, I would be uncomfortable as well. It's just a personal peeve.

That's why you always have the chance to say "no thanks." BioWare doesn't force you into relationships in the game. (Thankfully) . And I personally support Shep initating all flirting. With obvious dialogue choices. Just so we don't get another "teh prriiiiiize." 

[Iz Stoik zI]

Hey, as long as it isn't thrown at me then I don't care. If BW wants to make Thane (or whoever) bisexual that's cool with me as long as they make sure the dialogue options are clear enough so I can nip that romance in the bud before it starts. If gay romance is in the game, that's fine with me but if it's in my face it's really not. I probably sound like a douche saying this but it's how I feel.

Also please don't have any unavoidable Paragon scenes with NPC's where a guy will kiss the male Shep on the cheek like Parisini did on Illium. Just throwing that out there... :S

Modifié par Iz Stoik zI, 15 mars 2010 - 09:26 .

[Dethateer]

Ryzaki wrote...
Just so we don't get another "teh prriiiiiize." 

Dare I ask, why does that sentence get thrown around so much?

[Lightice_av]

Also please don't have any unavoidable Paragon scenes with NPC's where a guy will kiss the male Shep on the cheek like Parisini did on Illium. Just throwing that out there... :S

Gianna will only do that to MShep anyway, and there's no guy even doing that to FShep, so I wouldn't worry about that kind of prospect.

[jlb524]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Thanks a lot. I read Okogawas "how to" concerning the savegame editor and it looks pretty simple so far. I might come back to your offer when i run into trouble

One tip:  during the 'romance phase' of the relationship, do not talk to the LI with the wrong gender (in Jack's case this would be female).  As soon as you speak with her as a female the romance will be killed for good.  You can still pick the 'Investigate' option with a female, just not the 'I want to talk' option.

[Iz Stoik zI]

Lightice_av wrote...

Gianna will only do that to MShep anyway, and there's no guy even doing that to FShep, so I wouldn't worry about that kind of prospect.

Like I said, I was just throwing it out there.

Anyways, I won't say I fully "support" a gay romance option in ME3 because I'm still not sure it's necessary but I'm definitely not against it. I'll go with whatever BioWare does as long as it's within reason. I hope I don't have to elaborate on this... 

Modifié par Iz Stoik zI, 15 mars 2010 - 09:36 .

[Ryzaki]

Dethateer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Just so we don't get another "teh prriiiiiize." 

Dare I ask, why does that sentence get thrown around so much?

Because its single handily one of the worst experiences in a BioWare romance I've ever had.

ME 2 SPOILER WARNING FOR FEMSHEP X JACOB!!!!





Someone can't take a hint.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 mars 2010 - 09:47 .

[Dethateer]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Just so we don't get another "teh prriiiiiize." 

Dare I ask, why does that sentence get thrown around so much?

Because its single handily one of the worst experiences in a BioWare romance I've ever had.

ME 2 SPOILER WARNING FOR FEMSHEP X JACOB!!!!





Someone can't take a hint.

Painful memories, I see.
(actually, I figured it was about that, I just can't, for the life of me, fathom how those words would be included in a romantic conversation. Then again, I'm about as delicate as a brick, so...)

[sw33ts]

Wow, I've never seen it the whole way thru. Just the Male x Jacob.



haha. the priiiiiiiiiiize. He reminds me of golem for some reason.

[tyddrwsau]

Iz Stoik zI wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Gianna will only do that to MShep anyway, and there's no guy even doing that to FShep, so I wouldn't worry about that kind of prospect.

Like I said, I was just throwing it out there.

Anyways, I won't say I fully "support" a gay romance option in ME3 because I'm still not sure it's necessary but I'm definitely not against it. I'll go with whatever BioWare does as long as it's within reason. I hope I don't have to elaborate on this... 

Thank you for at least being open-minded. We've had quite a lot of conversations around the issue of making romance dialogues more obvious so that players can steer clear - whether it be people like you who express discomfort with the idea of same-sex, people just trying to be friendly with a character, or what-have-you.

As for the "random male character kissing male Shepard on the cheek" issue, I suspect you've got nothing to worry about. If we're lucky, BioWare will implement same-sex romantic options. That'll create the possibility for Shepard to initiate romantic dialogue back on the Normandy. Given the fact that we've had to argue for that, alone, so much I doubt they'd suddenly find themselves wanting to plunk in male-male affection elsewhere. Ironically, that wouldn't even need to be about sexuality and romance: within my circle of friends and acquaintances, cheek kisses are a common greeting or valediction regardless of the genders and orientations of those involved. Different cultures here on Earth have different assumptions of touch, physical closeness, or gestures such as a kiss too.

But that's besides the point. It seems that while humans in space in the Mass Effect universe may have accents not smoothed out by translators, they're all culturally alike to early 21st century Americans and fairly standoffish. You're unlikely to be confronted with any scenario like that, and you're very likely to be given easy options to turn down or not even initiate romantic conversation with any same-sex romanceable crew member.

[Iz Stoik zI]

 Yeah, I don't think I have anything to worry about either but I was just thinking out loud. And if they DID put something like that in ME3 and a male NPC tried to kiss me, there had better be an interrupt option. Just sayin'. 

Don't you think people are going to be dissatisfied with a M-M relationship in ME3 though since it will only be active for a single game in the installment? In all likelyhood it will be the shallowest and quickest romance since it hasn't had nearly the same amount of time to develop. People that chose one of Liara, Ashley, or Kaidan and stuck with them for the long run will likely be the most satisfied. People that romanced one of the NPC's in ME2 will likely still be satisfied, but the scope of the new romances in the sequal probably won't be as epic. 

I just have a feeling that if BioWare puts a gay romance in ME3, people that try it will be stuck wanting a lot more. What do you think?

[Fade9wayz]

Iz Stoik zI wrote...

 Yeah, I don't think I have anything to worry about either but I was just thinking out loud. And if they DID put something like that in ME3 and a male NPC tried to kiss me, there had better be an interrupt option. Just sayin'. 

Don't you think people are going to be dissatisfied with a M-M relationship in ME3 though since it will only be active for a single game in the installment? In all likelyhood it will be the shallowest and quickest romance since it hasn't had nearly the same amount of time to develop. People that chose one of Liara, Ashley, or Kaidan and stuck with them for the long run will likely be the most satisfied. People that romanced one of the NPC's in ME2 will likely still be satisfied, but the scope of the new romances in the sequal probably won't be as epic. 

I just have a feeling that if BioWare puts a gay romance in ME3, people that try it will be stuck wanting a lot more. What do you think?

Not really, everything depends on how well written the romance in question is. Same with any straight new romance that might occur in ME3 (BW does need to take into account that some players might not have played the two previous games, so for them the romance will be done in only one game too). Besides, better a good one in ME3 than none at all.
And people will be stuck wanting more no matter what 

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 16 mars 2010 - 02:57 .

[tyddrwsau]

Iz Stoik zI wrote...

Don't you think people are going to be dissatisfied with a M-M relationship in ME3 though since it will only be active for a single game in the installment? In all likelyhood it will be the shallowest and quickest romance since it hasn't had nearly the same amount of time to develop. People that chose one of Liara, Ashley, or Kaidan and stuck with them for the long run will likely be the most satisfied. People that romanced one of the NPC's in ME2 will likely still be satisfied, but the scope of the new romances in the sequal probably won't be as epic. 

I just have a feeling that if BioWare puts a gay romance in ME3, people that try it will be stuck wanting a lot more. What do you think?

Well, those of us who'd really like this content are already disappointed since m/m was stripped from ME1 and there was even less complete development of same-sex options (bar Kelly) in ME2 at release. Having the option(s) available would be a nice improvement, and speaking for myself I'd be appreciative of that.

BioWare has also taken the approach that the gameplay experience may be richer and more engaging if you play all three games, each one is supposed to have stand-alone appeal. Thus far, we only have access to characters who can be romanced in one game - the returners from ME1 are on hold in 2, and the new options are... new. Various folks here on the forum have nitpicked over whether ME1 or ME2 has the more in-depth romance plots, but the new characters certainly stand on their own appeal within the game as introduced.

For ME3, we guess that continued romances will be open from early in the game while any new romance option will have the 'getting to know you' and 'initial wooing' periods to go through. I think BioWare is going to provide these chances anyway, for those who pick up ME3 completely fresh.

I'm not trying to diminish your point though: there IS a danger that they'll do this in a truncated and less satisfying way. I hope they don't disappoint, I guess.

My strong preference is for the introduction of same-sex romances in Expansion content for ME2. This would provide carry-over opportunities for the final game, plus more fun to be had in ME2.

[Wittand25]

Iz Stoik zI wrote...

Yeah, I don't think I have anything to worry about either but I was just thinking out loud. And if they DID put something like that in ME3 and a male NPC tried to kiss me, there had better be an interrupt option. Just sayin'.

Don't you think people are going to be dissatisfied with a M-M relationship in ME3 though since it will only be active for a single game in the installment? In all likelyhood it will be the shallowest and quickest romance since it hasn't had nearly the same amount of time to develop. People that chose one of Liara, Ashley, or Kaidan and stuck with them for the long run will likely be the most satisfied. People that romanced one of the NPC's in ME2 will likely still be satisfied, but the scope of the new romances in the sequal probably won't be as epic.

I just have a feeling that if BioWare puts a gay romance in ME3, people that try it will be stuck wanting a lot more. What do you think?

If the m/m romance in ME3 is done well and does not feel second rate to the straight ones( f/f is next to garantied anyway) I dont think that many would complain( some always to nomatter what but that is unavoidable).
Another way to implement them would be to do something similar as they did with Tali and Garrus and make one of the old male LIs open for m/m in ME3. Kaidan would be my personal favorite here, because he and Shepard would have quite some backstory and the romance could be very similar to a continued f/Kaidan romance. But that would mean that Bioware would also need to provide a savegameeditor for those without a savegame to import.

Modifié par Wittand25, 16 mars 2010 - 03:46 .

[The Uncanny]

Ryzaki wrote...

Because its single handily one of the worst experiences in a BioWare romance I've ever had.

ME 2 SPOILER WARNING FOR FEMSHEP X JACOB!!!!





Someone can't take a hint.

You know... before I saw this I quite liked Jacob. He was a bit starchy, but seemingly a decent enough guy.

Ever since I saw it I've wanted to ruthlessly bludgeon him with a hammer.

[JediMB]

Iz Stoik zI wrote...

 Yeah, I don't think I have anything to worry about either but I was just thinking out loud. And if they DID put something like that in ME3 and a male NPC tried to kiss me, there had better be an interrupt option. Just sayin'. 

They could surely put in both Paragon and Renegade interrupts.

Question is... what would the Paragon interrupt do?

Modifié par JediMB, 16 mars 2010 - 06:49 .

[SimonTheFrog]

The Uncanny wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Because its single handily one of the worst experiences in a BioWare romance I've ever had.

ME 2 SPOILER WARNING FOR FEMSHEP X JACOB!!!!





Someone can't take a hint.

You know... before I saw this I quite liked Jacob. He was a bit starchy, but seemingly a decent enough guy.

Ever since I saw it I've wanted to ruthlessly bludgeon him with a hammer.

Well, he did say that Miranda needs a better man than he was. So we know he's not perfect... 
But i had no idea 

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 16 mars 2010 - 06:54 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

JediMB wrote...

Iz Stoik zI wrote...

 Yeah, I don't think I have anything to worry about either but I was just thinking out loud. And if they DID put something like that in ME3 and a male NPC tried to kiss me, there had better be an interrupt option. Just sayin'. 

They could surely put in both Paragon and Renegade interrupts.

Question is... what would the Paragon interrupt do?

Shep sidesteps the NPC, and gives them a firm handshake. "I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I have to go." Works for MShep and FemShep.

Or possibly they kiss the NPC back. "It's always nice to see gestures of affection and appreciation. Not enough of that around. How're you doing/How've you been?"

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 16 mars 2010 - 08:56 .

[sw33ts]

I'd love to see how they'd pull off the Shep dodge and shake. Do I even want to know what the renegade interrupt is/should be?

[Dethateer]

sw33ts wrote...

I'd love to see how they'd pull off the Shep dodge and shake. Do I even want to know what the renegade interrupt is/should be?

Given the direction taken by R/P in 2, it'll be a fundie christian attitude...

[sw33ts]

Oh, so we're talking big haired power of christ compels you type of thing.



That could be amusing. I wonder if there would then be a shoot self in foot interrupt for spewing such nonsense.



Anyways I don't see why there HAS to be a renegade interrupt. The game didn't ALWAYS have both sometimes it was one or the other. If you don't want your Shep to get hit on then TRRRRRRRRRRRY not to press on the pink font or hell I don't know just remember it's a game and play with an open mind.

[Dethateer]

No, I meant something like "I'll beat the living s**t out of you for leading a sinful lifestyle centered around sexual choices because you hate God and want to rebel against him."

[The Uncanny]

sw33ts wrote...

I'd love to see how they'd pull off the Shep dodge and shake. Do I even want to know what the renegade interrupt is/should be?

Sheploo walks into the armoury. Jacob turns to face him.

“Shepard…”

Hmm. Why is he looking at me like that?

“Shepard… I have to… no I need to talk to you…”

OH NOES! I know where this is going! There will be pink text, bunnies and colourful shirts in here within mere moments! PANIC! Must… use… interrupt…

Paragon: Sheploo holds his hand up.

Looks right. Then left.

Shrugs.

“I should go.”

Sheploo then runs and hides in the Kodiak and for the remainder of the mission communicates with the crew using semaphore.

Renegade: Sheploo smiles.

Puts his hands comfortingly on Jacob’s shoulders.

Whispers “Jacob.”

Then slams his knee into Jacob’s ‘daddy -bags’.

Sheploo leaves armoury, crosses Jacob off list, proceeds to life support.

Oh that crazy renegade action!

[Images]

You're only hating God if you believe that there is one. I had imaginary friends as a child too but I don't tell my co-workers off if they're actions would displease them!



Not bashing the Christians too much but its cool if they say, I disaprove of your lifestyle as it runs counter to my own morals and belief system but this whole, "you're pissing off the allmighty!"attitude is for the birds. His existence is not fact. Just belief. There's nothing wrong with belief and spirituality, or debating morals and the concept of the human soul. It is one of the things that makes our humanity unique. But saying you're annoying an entity who's existence is debateable is just thick.



Stick to the arguments,

Not bearded guys in the sky.

If the rapture happens tommorrow

You can wave down to us as we fry.





I'm a straight Taoist btw if anyone's wondering. Or as I like to call it "Oriental Jedi"...which does confuse people as I'm white, blonde and as blue eyed as an SS recruiting poster.



Anywho, just dropping in again to say "Keep up the good fight" and hopefully we'll all have equal opportunity in ME3 to win..."teh priiiize!"