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[Lightice_av]

That article about romances says nothing about adding same-sex and I'm a bit ehhh about it all together cause Muzyka said something about it. This is the same guy who's like it's a third person narrative and because it is no gay love for you.

It doesn't say anything about any plans at all; it just presents the idea and the fact that the executives aren't averse to it. It's still a small step forward, however. If you take it for the face value that Muzyka will dump over any attempt to add S/S romance in the game, then what's the point of the thread at all?

We don't know what's the cause to that non-explanation (because it didn't say anything at all about the question made, if you don't recall), but assuming that it's an absolute no to the issue makes the thread and everything else pointless. Now, the article is about potential expansion to the romance subplots. If we're lucky, we can convince the folks at Bioware to throw us a bone at the same time; it won't cost them much, and can make them a fair bit of profit.

[sw33ts]

Lightice_av wrote...

That article about romances says nothing about adding same-sex and I'm a bit ehhh about it all together cause Muzyka said something about it. This is the same guy who's like it's a third person narrative and because it is no gay love for you.

It doesn't say anything about any plans at all; it just presents the idea and the fact that the executives aren't averse to it. It's still a small step forward, however. If you take it for the face value that Muzyka will dump over any attempt to add S/S romance in the game, then what's the point of the thread at all?
We don't know what's the cause to that non-explanation (because it didn't say anything at all about the question made, if you don't recall), but assuming that it's an absolute no to the issue makes the thread and everything else pointless. Now, the article is about potential expansion to the romance subplots. If we're lucky, we can convince the folks at Bioware to throw us a bone at the same time; it won't cost them much, and can make them a fair bit of profit.

Well what I'm saying is coming from anyone else I'd be jumping for joy...well maybe not jumping...maybe a slight hop, but I'm sure u get my point.  Reading that it seemed like Muzyka had never heard of it in his life kinda makes me a little less hopeful.  I unno it just seems to me that if the cofounder didn't even know of it beforehand he might just shut it down all together or maybe Kotaku was just trying to quell fans by saying they were thinking about it but in the end never implementing it.

And I would love a bone, **** it can even have all the marrow sucked out of it.  It's just I don't see the bone coming with such a meh article.

Kay, lemme stop being Debbie Downer, but it's just how I feel.

[FataliTensei]

sw33ts wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

That article about romances says nothing about adding same-sex and I'm a bit ehhh about it all together cause Muzyka said something about it. This is the same guy who's like it's a third person narrative and because it is no gay love for you.

It doesn't say anything about any plans at all; it just presents the idea and the fact that the executives aren't averse to it. It's still a small step forward, however. If you take it for the face value that Muzyka will dump over any attempt to add S/S romance in the game, then what's the point of the thread at all?
We don't know what's the cause to that non-explanation (because it didn't say anything at all about the question made, if you don't recall), but assuming that it's an absolute no to the issue makes the thread and everything else pointless. Now, the article is about potential expansion to the romance subplots. If we're lucky, we can convince the folks at Bioware to throw us a bone at the same time; it won't cost them much, and can make them a fair bit of profit.

Well what I'm saying is coming from anyone else I'd be jumping for joy...well maybe not jumping...maybe a slight hop, but I'm sure u get my point.  Reading that it seemed like Muzyka had never heard of it in his life kinda makes me a little less hopeful.  I unno it just seems to me that if the cofounder didn't even know of it beforehand he might just shut it down all together or maybe Kotaku was just trying to quell fans by saying they were thinking about it but in the end never implementing it.

And I would love a bone, **** it can even have all the marrow sucked out of it.  It's just I don't see the bone coming with such a meh article.

Kay, lemme stop being Debbie Downer, but it's just how I feel.

i doubt that we'd get anything even if a romance pack came out, the best we can hope for is something in ME3 :/

[ydaraishy]

Arik7 wrote...

Same-sex romance options in the new "Romance Pack".  Make it happened, BioWare....

See, now this bothers me. Why should we have to pay money to see f/f or m/m when this should  probably be by all intents and purposes in the main game already?

[Commander Shepard]

NO NO NO!!!!!!

[comicfan22]

Commander Shepard wrote...

NO NO NO!!!!!!

Darth Vader feels your pain



Now that that's out of the way, I, for one would be willing to pay for a s/s romance in this possible romance pack:wizard:

Modifié par comicfan22, 18 mars 2010 - 05:31 .

[colossus50000]

No i dont want to invest my money to make my game a Dating sim. I dont see the point in Bioware wasting their time at all for this issue. Bioware needs to work on more important things like making fans who loved ME1 and ME2 just they way they were, taking the best of both and not adding nonsense into the game like s/s romances and walks in the park and other nonsense. I bought Mass Effect to enjoy Sci-fi space story about a man/woman willing to risk it all to save the galaxy. I didnt buy it because i can screw an alien. once you people realize this then we can get back to making other threads on how to make ME3 awesome and instead of worrying about little stupid preferences. Lets worry about bigger problems and not this.

[Darth Drago]

This has probably been brought up before but since I just started playing Dragon Age a few days ago I’ll add my thoughts on it now.

I do find it funny that in Dragon Age you have every possible love interest combination covered but yet in the Mass Effect games that are ironically made by the same company, they don’t. BioWare probably wont do it for ME3 either. Such a nice double standard isn’t it?

By the way I wouldn’t hold my breath on a romance download pack. I just don’t see the Mass Effect developer team doing it at all. They are probably to busy making that next heavy weapon we just have to have.

[Ryzaki]

Darth Drago wrote...


This has probably been brought up before but since I just started playing Dragon Age a few days ago I’ll add my thoughts on it now.

I do find it funny that in Dragon Age you have every possible love interest combination covered but yet in the Mass Effect games that are ironically made by the same company, they don’t. BioWare probably wont do it for ME3 either. Such a nice double standard isn’t it?

By the way I wouldn’t hold my breath on a romance download pack. I just don’t see the Mass Effect developer team doing it at all. They are probably to busy making that next heavy weapon we just have to have.

Truth.

Though lets hope for a ME2 expansion where they actually *acknowledge* with more than a few throwaway lines and a lame epilogue slide what you did in ME1 & ME2

[comicfan22]

Darth Drago wrote...


This has probably been brought up before but since I just started playing Dragon Age a few days ago I’ll add my thoughts on it now.

I do find it funny that in Dragon Age you have every possible love interest combination covered but yet in the Mass Effect games that are ironically made by the same company, they don’t. BioWare probably wont do it for ME3 either. Such a nice double standard isn’t it?

By the way I wouldn’t hold my breath on a romance download pack. I just don’t see the Mass Effect developer team doing it at all. They are probably to busy making that next heavy weapon we just have to have.

Im not holding my breathe. (Not alot of people are) I am saying that I would support it's inclusion if they did have a "romance expansion" or the like dlc. I be quite honest, I would rather have  additonal character development more than a new shiny weapon to make splosions with.

I would like to be able to talk to Zaeed without listening to another damn one-sided  convo. But most of all I want s/s relationships in MY ME2. Other people's version be damned. If they want splosions then they would not have to download it. Just because a dlc pack is available does not mean you are obligated as a  consumer to purchase it.

[colossus50000]

Darth Drago wrote...


This has probably been brought up before but since I just started playing Dragon Age a few days ago I’ll add my thoughts on it now.

I do find it funny that in Dragon Age you have every possible love interest combination covered but yet in the Mass Effect games that are ironically made by the same company, they don’t. BioWare probably wont do it for ME3 either. Such a nice double standard isn’t it?

By the way I wouldn’t hold my breath on a romance download pack. I just don’t see the Mass Effect developer team doing it at all. They are probably to busy making that next heavy weapon we just have to have.

Dragon age is an origin story, its like you put yourself into the game, you make yourself fully represented in the game. Mass Effect is different. we have a character that already has a back story and we push him through the story with choices Shepard would do depending if he is Paragon or Renagade.

They shouldnt waste their time with a romance pack, it is pointless. I want to pay for more mission, more armors and weapons, not see another sitcom love scene.

[SirGladiator]

I think the interview about the romance DLC is reacting to the shockingly low sales of ME2 since this controversy hit, I definitely think there's a real chance they're going to give us what we want. As it stands now, DA is probably going to end up selling WAY more copies than ME2, something nobody expected, and this romance DLC is their best chance to turn those numbers around. Thats why Im optimistic this may actually happen, because they realize how extremely important an issue this is for a huge part of their fan base, including the very large part that bought DA but so far hasn't bought ME2.



I agree that in principle we shouldn't have to pay for this, since it should've been in the game in the first place, but so long as I get my Tali-FemShep romance restored (and hopefully the Jack and Miranda ones too) I honestly won't care if I have to pay or not . Im hopeful that the DLC will also add some 'romance missions' for the LIs, kind've like the Tali loyalty mission where you have a really nice mix of combat and romance, and maybe some extra conversations on the ship as well. Im guessing if they do it, it will be their best selling DLC ever, not to mention the extra sales of the game itself from people who haven't bought it yet because of this issue. A total win-win for everybody!

[Ryzaki]

SirGladiator wrote...

I think the interview about the romance DLC is reacting to the shockingly low sales of ME2 since this controversy hit, I definitely think there's a real chance they're going to give us what we want. As it stands now, DA is probably going to end up selling WAY more copies than ME2, something nobody expected, and this romance DLC is their best chance to turn those numbers around. Thats why Im optimistic this may actually happen, because they realize how extremely important an issue this is for a huge part of their fan base, including the very large part that bought DA but so far hasn't bought ME2.

I agree that in principle we shouldn't have to pay for this, since it should've been in the game in the first place, but so long as I get my Tali-FemShep romance restored (and hopefully the Jack and Miranda ones too) I honestly won't care if I have to pay or not . Im hopeful that the DLC will also add some 'romance missions' for the LIs, kind've like the Tali loyalty mission where you have a really nice mix of combat and romance, and maybe some extra conversations on the ship as well. Im guessing if they do it, it will be their best selling DLC ever, not to mention the extra sales of the game itself from people who haven't bought it yet because of this issue. A total win-win for everybody!

lolwut? 

Low sales? Since when? 

As long as the ME2 expansion pack isn't as barebones as what awakening seems to be I'll be happy.

[Wittand25]

colossus50000 wrote...
Dragon age is an origin story, its like you put yourself into the game, you make yourself fully represented in the game. Mass Effect is different. we have a character that already has a back story

Every single one of the six origins had more backstory and was more defined than Shepard is. In every one you had friends and family (in some you even had past or current lovers if you explored the dialog).
So please stop using this statement it is cleary false.

Modifié par Wittand25, 18 mars 2010 - 07:54 .

[Lightice_av]

So both sides are mired by hate and lothing, and frankly I'm tired of the whole ordeal.

No offense, but exactly what makes the supporters of the idea "hateful"? This could be a thread about what bastards the developers are, filled with rants about homophobic society. Instead just a small handful of posts are like that, and those are generally dissaproved by the bulk of the supporting posters here. The "Paragons" aren't being hateful here, simply dissapointed.

Commander Shepard wrote...

NO NO NO!!!!!![

So much for the civilized, intelligent exchange, eh? Can't say that I'm surprised.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 18 mars 2010 - 01:08 .

[Darth Drago]

colossus50000 wrote...

Darth Drago wrote...
This has probably been brought up before but since I just started playing Dragon Age a few days ago I’ll add my thoughts on it now.

I do find it funny that in Dragon Age you have every possible love interest combination covered but yet in the Mass Effect games that are ironically made by the same company, they don’t. BioWare probably wont do it for ME3 either. Such a nice double standard isn’t it?

By the way I wouldn’t hold my breath on a romance download pack. I just don’t see the Mass Effect developer team doing it at all. They are probably to busy making that next heavy weapon we just have to have.

Dragon age is an origin story, its like you put yourself into the game, you make yourself fully represented in the game. Mass Effect is different. we have a character that already has a back story and we push him through the story with choices Shepard would do depending if he is Paragon or Renagade.

They shouldnt waste their time with a romance pack, it is pointless. I want to pay for more mission, more armors and weapons, not see another sitcom love scene.

If it was done right it could be done and easy to do.

1. Add an expansion pack that adds a dozens or more side quests. Several of them could be in all those empty systems that have only planets to scan in. Also this expansion would open up at least one new area of the Citadel including the Presidium, Omega and Illium. Each of these areas would have a bunch of side quests but also have a larger one that takes you to all of those locations as well.

2. Add in two downloadable companions you can recruit, one male the other female. You only get one though (see 3 below). These two are a new potential love interest. This idea is taken one step further and have them be bisexual just like Zevran Arainai from Dragon Age. I personally would prefer them to be human or human like over an alien though.

3. As for how to choose which one to have on your ship that’s easier said than done. Your recruitment mission has them both listed in one location giving the impression your recruiting both of them. Maybe even have them as brother and sister? They have different skills/powers as well so if your not interested in the romance option it would give you a bit of a replay value to choose the other one next time. As the mission goes you meet both of them so you will kind of get to know them to make what happens next a bit harder. At a critical point something happens at the end of the mission and you have a Virmire like choice, where you can only save one of them. In this way its set up similar to Samara and Morinth, where you have two people but only one can come with you. They also have a long recruiting and loyalty missions. Not like Zaeed where he is right there waiting for you.

This way you get both a new companion and if you want a love interest (all combinations covered) as well and a lot more quests to do in a game that is very lacking in the side quest department. Think of it as being on par to The Shivering Isles expansion that was released for Oblivion in size for game play time .

Modifié par Darth Drago, 18 mars 2010 - 02:10 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

Seriously. I feel pretty safe in saying that the overwhelming majority of the people interested in this aren't pissed off at Bioware because they think they are bigoted - their track record speaks for itself. It's great. But that makes the haphazard implementation of s/s in ME all the more visible. It's a conspicuous lack.

[OneBadAssMother]

Cant remember if I posted my opinion, 12 hr shifts and wifey's constant needs after work tend to make my memory a bit hazy...



Ne ways, ME is an experience for each individual. I enjoyed my own story, my wife enjoyed hers. I am straight and I'm married but I would hate to see anyone disappointed with this game. So I voice my support in this thread. Each individual's story must be realised in full potential.

[Servo to the bitter end]

colossus50000 wrote...


Dragon age is an origin story, its like you put yourself into the game, you make yourself fully represented in the game. Mass Effect is different. we have a character that already has a back story and we push him through the story with choices Shepard would do depending if he is Paragon or Renagade.

They shouldnt waste their time with a romance pack, it is pointless. I want to pay for more mission, more armors and weapons, not see another sitcom love scene.

Please don't invoke the Muzyka quote unless you intend to add something we haven't heard  - we've already debunked it right there in the FAQ.  You're welcome to explain it in a way that makes sense, but here you're just restating it. 

Again, you're quite welcome to skip that particular pack, assuming it's a paid DLC.  But what if it were to be offered via Cerberus Network?  Then it would be free content that doesn't detract from your gaming experience in the least.

I really feel that time is a lousy gripe too - there is plenty of time to develop it in addition to all the combat and weapons you want.  The game just came out.  ME3 isn't coming for at least a year, probably longer.  If they fully intend to continually support ME2 with DLC as they've said, then there's plenty of time and room for such content.

Modifié par TommyServo, 18 mars 2010 - 02:17 .

[The Uncanny]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

Ne ways, ME is an experience for each individual. I enjoyed my own story, my wife enjoyed hers. I am straight and I'm married but I would hate to see anyone disappointed with this game. So I voice my support in this thread. Each individual's story must be realised in full potential.

Thank you for that. That is how I, and I think a lot of others, feel too.

[Fade9wayz]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Well, you see, I'm a man caught in the middle. I believe that homosexuals should have all the rights that a hetrosexual has, I feel a little uncomfortable with homosexuality but I'm human and hetrosexual and homosexuality is forign to me, but I assume it's sort of the same feeling that homosexuals feel, and I hope everyone can understand that. But I can understand where the other side comes from too, as I said, homosexuality to me feels a little uncomfortable, it probably feels the same way to them too, It doesn't mean that we're bad people just not used to this culture (for lack of a better word). Like an eighteinth century british soldier walking straight into an indian encampment, I hope given time, everyone will get used to each other and start getting along.

So I think both sides are foolish, the for the use in this discussion I'll call the homosexual supporters "Paragons" and the Hetrosexual supporters "Renegades". Now my step-sister is gay, so I have first hand experience with this stuff, so here I go. My problem is this, the Renegades have the tendancy to sell themselves as bigots, fueled by hate for the unknown, but there are a lot of people out there that just don't have a good understanding of homosexuals or have had a bad experience with one during some part in their life. These people do exist and I try to see their point of veiw as well. But when I advoacate the Kind hearted but misunderstood "Renegades" to my step sister or other homosexuals, they call me and the misunderstood "Renegades" just as awful and mean names as the bigot "Renegades" call them. This is a terrible setback, very little room for grey in this confict because both sides are ran by extremists.

So this is were I stand, I have no problem with "Paragons", they should have rights and have love intrests in video games, It's not my cup of tea but I have no quarral with it, especially if it makes others happy. But I can see and understand the view points of the misunderstood "Renegades" and I respect them for thier beliefs as well, and I'm hated by the "Paragons". So both sides are mired by hate and lothing, and frankly I'm tired of the whole ordeal.

Solutions to avoid that people who are uncomfortable with S/S romances inadvertendly stumble upon it have been offered. I don't know if you read the FAQ, but it's all there. We are open to compromises.

I'm sorry you mostly had to be confronted with 'extremists' as you call them. You might find that in this thread, most people are quite civil and understanding, save for the occasional troll on both sides. However, being understanding doesn't mean we should accept any sort of abuse. Martyrdom is a very outdated thing in my books.

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 18 mars 2010 - 02:45 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

I think the only way the Muzyka quote makes sense is if he's talking about Sheploo - the default Shep used for marketing. Which is fine, Sheploo may be straight as an arrow, but most Shepards aren't him.

I think a romance pack has the potential to kick ass as DLC, if it's used to actually expand conversation and engage in dialogue-heavy 'missions'. ("Getting to know you, getting to know all about you...") If they do decide to develop, I think it'd be a great place to add (back) in s/s relationships, as well as expand the dialogue and character interaction in general. Perhaps more of a 'conversation and romance pack' than just a romance pack.

I mean, how many times does Garrus have to calibrate the main battery before he'll actually have a conversation, dammit?

OneBadAssMother wrote...

Ne ways, ME is an experience for each individual. I enjoyed my own story, my wife enjoyed hers. I am straight and I'm married but I would hate to see anyone disappointed with this game. So I voice my support in this thread. Each individual's story must be realised in full potential.

Just so.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 18 mars 2010 - 05:06 .

[The Uncanny]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I think a romance pack has the potential to kick ass as DLC, if it's used to actually expand conversation and engage in dialogue-heavy 'missions'. ("Getting to know you, getting to know all about you...") If they do decide to develop, I think it'd be a great place to add (back) in s/s relationships, as well as expand the dialogue and character interaction in general. Perhaps more of a 'conversation and romance pack' than just a romance pack.

This.

I really enjoyed the change of pace of Samara's & Thane's loyalty missions. Content similar to that would support relationship material well, I think. Say, a mission where you and another character become trapped on a crashing ship and genuinely think you're both going to die. Widening the choice of LIs would be great, of course, but I think doing so without broadening the relationship and convo options too would feel... tacky.