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[DaeJi]

I think a romance DLC would work best by continuing the romances past the endgame. I think a lot of new content would work best by continuing the story. And if BioWare focuses story DLC (which a romance pack would be) on what happens after the main Mass Effect 2 story, not only could they bridge this game with Mass Effect 3 better but they could add in same sex romances without altering anything in the story or in the characters.

[Darth Vengeant]

I personally dislike the DLC so far and find it all redundant and just tacked on. DLC should continue for you after you completed the game. New costumes for all crew (because lets face it, the "second" armor you unlock for them is just a reskin), new abilities, romance anyone...etc. DLC should also unlock new modes for people who have beaten the game once. Such as infinite amo, infinite fuel and probes, etc.I also think a Co-Op mode would be great.

Modifié par Darth Vengeant, 18 mars 2010 - 09:58 .

[Lightice_av]

Those aren't exactly a part of this thread's agenda, and sound even more pointless than extra heavy weapons. You can already fiddle with the savegame editor to give you infinite stuff, the romances are already in and you just need to replay the game to see them, and co-op does not belong to this game now or ever.

DLC that gives characters new depth, that would be the way to go. If the romance DLC ever goes anywhere, I hope that it has a bit wider scope, giving all the squad members new depth and maybe even an entirely new quest for each of them to boot. Yeah, getting greedy here, but the squad interactions are my favourite part of the game, and I'd be more than willing to pay to see even more of that. And if s/s romances come along for the ride, even better.

[Darkhour]

I thought I heard that the default model (Vanderloo) only agreed to be the face of Commander Shepard under the condition that his likeness would only be used in a heterosexual context and that is why it is out of the question.

Modifié par Darkhour, 18 mars 2010 - 10:05 .

[DaeJi]

Darkhour wrote...

I thought I heard that the default model (Vanderloo) only agreed to be the face of Commander Shepard under the condition that his likeness would only be used in a heterosexual context and that is why it is out of the question.

This has never been mentioned in any kind of official statement. It's just a conjecture some have here based on... nothing.

[Habelo]

And another one!

[Mimaiselphenai]

The fact that there's even opposition to "same sex" romances in a game like Mass Effect is a little silly if you think about it. Considering all of the interspecies couples throughout the galaxy (mostly Asari+random), the line between "gay" and "straight" gets a little blurry.

Not to mention the fact that you're fighting to save the ENTIRE GALAXY from destruction with people of all sorts. If a person experienced something like that with someone in their squad, how limited by gender or species do you think they'd be? It'd be pretty hard to imagine there not being a bond. A romance choice doesn't necessarily have to end in a raunchy sex scene, but at the very least some sort of attraction. Cerebral or otherwise. It isn't all about hip bumping.

And ontop of all that, nobody's forcing you to make your Shepard tongue Garrus' tonsils. If you don't like it, go flirt with Miranda.

Modifié par Mimaiselphenai, 18 mars 2010 - 10:36 .

[sw33ts]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

The fact that there's even opposition to "same sex" romances in a game like Mass Effect is a little silly if you think about it. Considering all of the interspecies couples throughout the galaxy (mostly Asari+random), the line between "gay" and "straight" gets a little blurry.

Not to mention the fact that you're fighting to save the ENTIRE GALAXY from destruction with people of all species. If a person experienced something like that with someone in their squad, how limited by gender or race do you think they'd be? It'd be pretty hard to imagine there not being a bond. A romance choice doesn't necessarily have to end in a raunchy sex scene, but at the very least some sort of attraction. Cerebral or otherwise. It isn't all about hip bumping.

And ontop of all that, nobody's forcing you to make your Shepard tongue Garrus' tonsils. If you don't like it, go flirt with Miranda.

I like you.  Where have u been?  But why did u have to put that horrible Garrus + Shepard image in my head.  I can't imagine Shepard coming out of that a compelete person with Garrus' raptor teeth.

[Arik7]

DaeJi wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

I thought I heard that the default model (Vanderloo) only agreed to be the face of Commander Shepard under the condition that his likeness would only be used in a heterosexual context and that is why it is out of the question.

This has never been mentioned in any kind of official statement. It's just a conjecture some have here based on... nothing.

Modifié par Arik7, 18 mars 2010 - 11:31 .

[Mimaiselphenai]

sw33ts wrote...

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

The fact that there's even opposition to "same sex" romances in a game like Mass Effect is a little silly if you think about it. Considering all of the interspecies couples throughout the galaxy (mostly Asari+random), the line between "gay" and "straight" gets a little blurry.

Not to mention the fact that you're fighting to save the ENTIRE GALAXY from destruction with people of all species. If a person experienced something like that with someone in their squad, how limited by gender or race do you think they'd be? It'd be pretty hard to imagine there not being a bond. A romance choice doesn't necessarily have to end in a raunchy sex scene, but at the very least some sort of attraction. Cerebral or otherwise. It isn't all about hip bumping.

And ontop of all that, nobody's forcing you to make your Shepard tongue Garrus' tonsils. If you don't like it, go flirt with Miranda.

I like you.  Where have u been?  But why did u have to put that horrible Garrus + Shepard image in my head.  I can't imagine Shepard coming out of that a compelete person with Garrus' raptor teeth.

He could suck on one of his mandibles instead.

[Lightice_av]

This has never been mentioned in any kind of official statement. It's just a conjecture some have here based on... nothing.

Yeah. I made the suggestion as one of many, many things that could have influenced to leaving the possibility out of the game, but I by no means presented it as a fact of any kind. As long as there are no facts, throwing ideas is the only sport we got. I never meant for it to be taken as the real reason behind the omission.

[Darkhour]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

The fact that there's even opposition to "same sex" romances in a game like Mass Effect is a little silly if you think about it. Considering all of the interspecies couples throughout the galaxy (mostly Asari+random), the line between "gay" and "straight" gets a little blurry.

Not to mention the fact that you're fighting to save the ENTIRE GALAXY from destruction with people of all sorts. If a person experienced something like that with someone in their squad, how limited by gender or species do you think they'd be? It'd be pretty hard to imagine there not being a bond. A romance choice doesn't necessarily have to end in a raunchy sex scene, but at the very least some sort of attraction. Cerebral or otherwise. It isn't all about hip bumping.

And ontop of all that, nobody's forcing you to make your Shepard tongue Garrus' tonsils. If you don't like it, go flirt with Miranda.

Why the rights of a minority group was put up to a popular vote is very silly. Rather or not two people of the same sex want to be legally married or not has no barring on my life. It's like voting on rather it's legal to eat hotdogs with peanut butter. I don't care what you put on your hotdog. It shouldn't be up to me to decide for you. But rather or not I have to buy peanut butter because a person who likes peanut butter on their hotdog might possibly want to eat a hotdog at my house is another story.

Given the way Mass Effect romance has benn handled so far the safe assumption is that certain situations would be forced on everyone who plays, one way or the other. Think of how you bed the consort. I thopught her gift sucked. That didn't mean I wanted to sleep with a woman that has probably had half the turians, elcor, volus and salarians on the station inside her. Another example: I tried to let Tali down easy, but it still turned out that "It's too dangerous", which comes out as, "No, it would be too dangerous no matter how much I'd like to" equals "Yes, I want to do it with you anyway."  I have a right to an opinion on what I don't want in a game. Now if Bioware could include romances in a way that I didn't experience any homosexul content, fine. But the reality of the situation, their past record, tells me that simply wouldn't be the case. 

I wouldn't be completely outraged and break the game disk if some character started hitting on me and I unintentional approved of those advances, but I'd prefer not to have it.

[Arik7]

Darkhour wrote...
Given the way Mass Effect romance has benn handled so far the safe assumption is that certain situations would be forced on everyone who plays, one way or the other. Think of how you bed the consort. I thopught her gift sucked. That didn't mean I wanted to sleep with a woman that has probably had half the turians, elcor, volus and salarians on the station inside her. Another example: I tried to let Tali down easy, but it still turned out that "It's too dangerous", which comes out as, "No, it would be too dangerous no matter how much I'd like to" equals "Yes, I want to do it with you anyway."  I have a right to an opinion on what I don't want in a game. Now if Bioware could include romances in a way that I didn't experience any homosexul content, fine. But the reality of the situation, their past record, tells me that simply wouldn't be the case. 

I wouldn't be completely outraged and break the game disk if some character started hitting on me and I unintentional approved of those advances, but I'd prefer not to have it.

BioWare only has a history of forcing heterosexuality/lesbianism on you.  My male Shepard also got raped by the consort.   I guess the same could happen to a female Shepard w/ the consort.

There were never instances of forced male/male scenes in BW games that had it.   In DAO, Zevran tested out my sexuality with at least five dialog options before proceeding to the love scene.  In JE, Sky would only question your sexuality if you reject all the female LIs.

Modifié par Arik7, 18 mars 2010 - 11:05 .

[Mev186]

This would seem to be the best solution. Make a DLC pack for those who want a same sex romance option (Like myself) and those who are offended by it can chose not to download/purchase it.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Arik7 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
Given the way Mass Effect romance has benn handled so far the safe assumption is that certain situations would be forced on everyone who plays, one way or the other. Think of how you bed the consort. I thopught her gift sucked. That didn't mean I wanted to sleep with a woman that has probably had half the turians, elcor, volus and salarians on the station inside her. Another example: I tried to let Tali down easy, but it still turned out that "It's too dangerous", which comes out as, "No, it would be too dangerous no matter how much I'd like to" equals "Yes, I want to do it with you anyway."  I have a right to an opinion on what I don't want in a game. Now if Bioware could include romances in a way that I didn't experience any homosexul content, fine. But the reality of the situation, their past record, tells me that simply wouldn't be the case. 

I wouldn't be completely outraged and break the game disk if some character started hitting on me and I unintentional approved of those advances, but I'd prefer not to have it.

BioWare only has a history of forcing heterosexuality/lesbianism on you.  My male Shepard also got raped by the consort.   I guess the same could happen to a female Shepard w/ the consort.

There were never instances of forced male/male scenes in BW games that had it.   In DAO, Zevran tested out my sexuality with at least five dialog options before proceeding to the love scene.  In JE, Sky would only question your sexuality if you reject all the female LIs.

I was about to say the same. I'm pretty sure Bioware would be delicate about something like homosexuality in their games (emphasis on male homosexuality since it carries the most stigma). It'd be a pretty horrible business decision to sneak male sex on a straight paying customer and turn them off to further purchases. As for the instance with the consort, well...she's a consort. And chances are a good bit of players wanted to bed her, anyway. xD Though you're right in that they could have made the choices a little clearer.

I certainly wouldn't want my Male Shepard to "stumble" upon a sexual encounter with a male Volus. But hey, if I can avoid it, I don't see any reason for it to be excluded from the game.

[Grilled Trout]

Darkhour wrote...

Why the rights of a minority group was put up to a popular vote is very silly. Rather or not two people of the same sex want to be legally married or not has no barring on my life. It's like voting on rather it's legal to eat hotdogs with peanut butter. I don't care what you put on your hotdog. It shouldn't be up to me to decide for you. But rather or not I have to buy peanut butter because a person who likes peanut butter on their hotdog might possibly want to eat a hotdog at my house is another story.

Given the way Mass Effect romance has benn handled so far the safe assumption is that certain situations would be forced on everyone who plays, one way or the other. Think of how you bed the consort. I thopught her gift sucked. That didn't mean I wanted to sleep with a woman that has probably had half the turians, elcor, volus and salarians on the station inside her. Another example: I tried to let Tali down easy, but it still turned out that "It's too dangerous", which comes out as, "No, it would be too dangerous no matter how much I'd like to" equals "Yes, I want to do it with you anyway."  I have a right to an opinion on what I don't want in a game. Now if Bioware could include romances in a way that I didn't experience any homosexul content, fine. But the reality of the situation, their past record, tells me that simply wouldn't be the case. 

I wouldn't be completely outraged and break the game disk if some character started hitting on me and I unintentional approved of those advances, but I'd prefer not to have it.

This man speaks the words of exactly what I have lingering in my head.  I totally agree.. the track record of romantic dialogue options in Mass Effect 1 & 2 tells me that unless a drastic change in dialogue option is placed, some way or the other, someone like me would be forced into something I would not find enjoyable at all.

I fully support same-sex-romance DLC for those who want it so badly in this game.  If you want it, you download it.  For those who don't want it, like myself, can choose not to download it.  Nobody will be forced into anything they don't like, and nobody will miss out on anything they wish they had.

However, that DLC had better be strictly on only that... adding same-sex romance options.  If BIoware added some other unrelated game contents as extra, that wouldn't be so great.

Either the DLC option... or a massive change in the dialogue system in the way the game handles romance.  Like the guy I quoted above, the current way just doesn't seem like it will work.

[sw33ts]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

The fact that there's even opposition to "same sex" romances in a game like Mass Effect is a little silly if you think about it. Considering all of the interspecies couples throughout the galaxy (mostly Asari+random), the line between "gay" and "straight" gets a little blurry.

Not to mention the fact that you're fighting to save the ENTIRE GALAXY from destruction with people of all species. If a person experienced something like that with someone in their squad, how limited by gender or race do you think they'd be? It'd be pretty hard to imagine there not being a bond. A romance choice doesn't necessarily have to end in a raunchy sex scene, but at the very least some sort of attraction. Cerebral or otherwise. It isn't all about hip bumping.

And ontop of all that, nobody's forcing you to make your Shepard tongue Garrus' tonsils. If you don't like it, go flirt with Miranda.

I like you.  Where have u been?  But why did u have to put that horrible Garrus + Shepard image in my head.  I can't imagine Shepard coming out of that a compelete person with Garrus' raptor teeth.

He could suck on one of his mandibles instead.

Lol.  I've decided I don't like you anymore.

And for the two that were like we don't want any like peekaboo I'm gay dialouge.  I agree wholeheartedly.  I mean come on I was more than slightly annoyed when I was FORCED to listen to FemShep talk to Jacob in a come hither voice.  I'm sure most of you guys who are straight would feel the same way if all of a sudden some guy suddenly starts hitting on you.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Grilled Trout wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Why the rights of a minority group was put up to a popular vote is very silly. Rather or not two people of the same sex want to be legally married or not has no barring on my life. It's like voting on rather it's legal to eat hotdogs with peanut butter. I don't care what you put on your hotdog. It shouldn't be up to me to decide for you. But rather or not I have to buy peanut butter because a person who likes peanut butter on their hotdog might possibly want to eat a hotdog at my house is another story.

Given the way Mass Effect romance has benn handled so far the safe assumption is that certain situations would be forced on everyone who plays, one way or the other. Think of how you bed the consort. I thopught her gift sucked. That didn't mean I wanted to sleep with a woman that has probably had half the turians, elcor, volus and salarians on the station inside her. Another example: I tried to let Tali down easy, but it still turned out that "It's too dangerous", which comes out as, "No, it would be too dangerous no matter how much I'd like to" equals "Yes, I want to do it with you anyway."  I have a right to an opinion on what I don't want in a game. Now if Bioware could include romances in a way that I didn't experience any homosexul content, fine. But the reality of the situation, their past record, tells me that simply wouldn't be the case. 

I wouldn't be completely outraged and break the game disk if some character started hitting on me and I unintentional approved of those advances, but I'd prefer not to have it.

This man speaks the words of exactly what I have lingering in my head.  I totally agree.. the track record of romantic dialogue options in Mass Effect 1 & 2 tells me that unless a drastic change in dialogue option is placed, some way or the other, someone like me would be forced into something I would not find enjoyable at all.

I fully support same-sex-romance DLC for those who want it so badly in this game.  If you want it, you download it.  For those who don't want it, like myself, can choose not to download it.  Nobody will be forced into anything they don't like, and nobody will miss out on anything they wish they had.

However, that DLC had better be strictly on only that... adding same-sex romance options.  If BIoware added some other unrelated game contents as extra, that wouldn't be so great.

Either the DLC option... or a massive change in the dialogue system in the way the game handles romance.  Like the guy I quoted above, the current way just doesn't seem like it will work.

Not that I don't agree that the romance dialog options aren't always clear, but I'm curious. You always have the option to flat out refuse someone's advances in both ME1 and 2 as far as I've experienced. It's not like you joke around with a character and then suddenly find them forcing themselves upon you in your quarters. Even when the moment of truth comes, you can tell them to ****** off.

So my question is, is the concern that you might run the risk of even being flirted with by a same-sex character and that would just be too horrific to play through? As I recall from Dragon Age, Zevran was pretty open about his orientation, and as far as I know there weren't hordes of angry straight men breaking down Bioware's doors to get their money back. Ultimately, even if you "accidentally" flirt with a character of the same sex, there's always a way to get out of it.

[DaeJi]

Colored dialog for romance has been mentioned several, several times in this thread. Takes care of a lot of problems right there.

[FataliTensei]

DaeJi wrote...

Colored dialog for romance has been mentioned several, several times in this thread. Takes care of a lot of problems right there.

Yeah it would

[pro2xtreme]

[Temper_Graniteskul]

I'm okay with the idea of coloured dialogue; I quite liked how it was implemented in VtMB for the seduction options. Overall, though, I think I'd prefer something a little more 'natural,' i.e. an option in conversation that spells out 'I'm interested in taking things further with you' or 'not interested in you that way, sorry.' Even if no m/m LI shows up as an option, I'd like just the possibility to have my MShep turn down a female LI with 'Thanks, but not interested. I'm attracted to men.'



I think there's been a general complaint around how conversations were handled, in that unless you were pursuing someone romantically, they had next to nothing to say to you. I'd add to that Bioware's tendency to 'force' a romance in that the option to turn someone down more often than not has you sounding like a total douchebag. I'm not saying that the dickish option should go away, just that I'd like to have a convo end sometimes with 'I'd like to be friends, but I'm not interested in you romatically,' rather than 'You can't chain me, woman! I'm not your slave!'

[Mimaiselphenai]

Honestly, I'd sooner agree to removing romances from the game altogether rather than leaning toward one end of the spectrum or the other. Most of the romances in the ME series seem rushed to me, anyway. The dialog makes me snicker and roll my eyes more than anything. They never feel visceral enough for the "saving the galaxy" themes the games represent. Garrus and Tali's seem promising, with Shepard being Tali's guardian and Garrus' conscience, but I haven't followed either one to the end yet.

[Darth Drago]

DaeJi wrote...

I think a romance DLC would work best by continuing the romances past the endgame. I think a lot of new content would work best by continuing the story. And if BioWare focuses story DLC (which a romance pack would be) on what happens after the main Mass Effect 2 story, not only could they bridge this game with Mass Effect 3 better but they could add in same sex romances without altering anything in the story or in the characters.

-Unfortunately this kind of content should have already been in the game in the first place. Then with future large expansion packs (if any are actually coming) maybe expanding on it a bit more. I personally don’t like the idea of having to wait months or more to finally continue on with side quests, love interest dialog or whatever (or for that matter get a complete game) after we beat the main quest. Its poor planning and management from developers that seemingly were to focused on making a shooter game and forgot about any of the sci-fi RPG elements. Its like they just forgot that they left the option to continue playing the game after beating it and screw everyone by not having anything done or worked on to even warrant anyone to continue playing.

-Dialog with your crew and companions including your love interest after you beat the game should have been one of the top things that they should have done. Instead we get the stale old dialog from everyone that makes me want to toss them out of the airlock if I actually could use it in this game.


-As for the discussion going on, on how some people seem to get involved in romances so easily. I don’t know what to say. I found the dialog inME1 and ME2 rather straight forward to imply what you were getting into with the exception of a female Shepard talking to Jacob. At least with my experience in the game. I do believe one of the dialog choices was similar to “I don’t feel the same about you” or “I just want to be friends”. I don’t think it could be any clearer than that. Maybe they should use the Dragon Age method since it is even more clearer on what your saying and where you want to go with the relationship- just friends or lovers.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 19 mars 2010 - 04:26 .

[Atomic Space Vixen]

I can't say I like the idea of putting it in DLC. Sure, it could still be free (I'd REALLY hate the idea of forcing people to pay extra for a little equal representation), but not everyone has their systems hooked up to the net.

The colour coded dialogue options are a good idea. The Shepard I'm playing right now romanced Kaiden and in my mind she still loves him - she hasn't had two conscious years to move on - so when I found myself accidentally romancing Jacob, I had to put the kibosh on it quickly. However, the problem with colour coding is it takes away pretty much all of the actual game playing in dialogue to find the romances. Still, it's a better choice than having no same-sex romances at all. I'm not sure though that it would satisfy those who don't even want to know that they could romance another "dude" period when talking to him.

The best choice to protect the delicate sensibilities of those who don't want even a whiff that they could end up accidentally romancing someone is to put the choices at the character creation stage. Besides, it would have the bonus of providing ironic amusement that in the ME universe, sexual orientation is the choice too many people accuse it of being.



I'm not going to hold my breath though. ME2 is a big disappointment in how many RPG elements Bioware stripped away to make it even more of a shooter that they can market to the doodz.