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[Lightice_av]

Gender. Gender is different from biological sex. Gender has a lot to do with a person's attraction. The Asari are female gendered. I don't really care to discuss Asari biology because I consider it to be ridiculous (mind melding) but I hope you understand where we're getting at here.

Their sex is also female. They are of the sex that gives birth to their young and nurses them. They aren't biologically hermaphroditic due to the aforementioned mind meld parthenogenesis, and hence the only sex they have is female.

What's false? Name me a "female only" species on earth. You will notice that all the species they list in that wiki(a horribly place for info, i might add) have MALES.

Actually no. There are many species where the males are entirely extinct, for example a species of ant. The asari made male sex unnecessary when they evolved their mind meld reproduction, and only females remained - that's at least the most likely scenario for the evolution of such a species.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 20 mars 2010 - 04:31 .

[Collider]

vhatever wrote...
They don't have any gender. They are not human.

Lol, then what is the codex referring to when it says female? Female in a sense other than gender or biological sex? wat

Gender refers to sexual identity. Considering the breasts, hips, voice, face, and other feminine attributes...you should get getting the picture.

[Collider]

Lightice_av wrote...
Actually no. There are many species where the males are entirely extinct, for example a species of ant. The asari made male sex unnecessary when they evolved their mind meld reproduction, and only females remained - that's at least the most likely scenario for the evolution of such a species.

The whole mind melding thing is ridiculous. Why not just have the Asari be male and female and reproduce as such? There's a lot of science fiction in ME of course but mind melding doesn't seem to have given nearly if at all the same amount of attention and justification as other stuff like mass effect fields etc.

[Lightice_av]

The whole mind melding thing is ridiculous. Why not just have the Asari be male and female and reproduce as such? There's a lot of science fiction in ME of course but mind melding doesn't seem to have given nearly if at all the same amount of attention and justification as other stuff like mass effect fields etc.

Like Mass Effect in general, it's a shout out to the 1980's sci-fi clichés, and the various green-skinned space babe variations. Mind melds are part of that tradition as well. But it received plenty of justification, and is at the center stage of the first game's plot. Don't forget that the Prothean Beacons relied entirely on the mind meld, as well. It's described as synchronizing two nervous systems as one through careful manipulation of the mass effect fields. Not exactly hard sci-fi, but nor is the rest of Mass Effect.

[Collider]

Oh, yea.

http://dictionary.re...m/browse/female

The Asari fit more than one of these definitions.

[vhatever]

Lightice_av wrote...


Actually no. There are many species where the males are entirely extinct, for example a species of ant. The asari made male sex unnecessary when they evolved their mind meld reproduction, and only females remained - that's at least the most likely scenario for the evolution of such a species.

A species which only reproduces asexually is by default NOT female. It's a unisex, asexual species.

[SorenTrigg]

vhatever wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...


Actually no. There are many species where the males are entirely extinct, for example a species of ant. The asari made male sex unnecessary when they evolved their mind meld reproduction, and only females remained - that's at least the most likely scenario for the evolution of such a species.

A species which only reproduces asexually is by default NOT female. It's a unisex, asexual species.

I do not really want to continue this argument, however, I would like to know how you specifically would define female, since you are arguing this.

[Lightice_av]

A species which only reproduces asexually is by default NOT female. It's a unisex, asexual species.

You are debating in circles. There are two options for a species with one sex; either they are hermaphroditic, or they are all female. My example is all female. Females can exist without males (but not vice versa, obviously). Make a thought game: if humans developed a way for women to reproduce without a man (we actually already have), and this invention lead to the extinction of human males (less probable, but not 100% impossible), would the women cease to be female even if their biology doesn't change at all?
You claim to be more knowledgeable than professional biologists. Where does that confidence originate, exactly? What are your credentials? 

Modifié par Lightice_av, 20 mars 2010 - 04:46 .

[vhatever]

I have a masters in biochemistry/cell bio. If this ant species was trully and ALWAYS a female, then it would be the first species EVER to exist as such. Instead, it's most likely a phase type asexuality and part of a greater species of ants. Or they just got it wrong, like field scientists are known to do.



If that species always existed as such, it would not be calssified as "female", but purely asexual. When was he last time you saw a "female oak tree"?

[Lightice_av]

I have a masters in biochemistry/cell bio. If this ant species was trully and ALWAYS a female, then it would be the first species EVER to exist as such.

Sorry, but I take the word of professionals over random kooks on the internet. Also, who said anything about "always"? Who says that the asari never had males in their species? As I said before, the most likely scenario for their species' evolution would be that their males went extinct after they learned to reproduce through mind melds.

When was he last time you saw a "female oak tree"?

Plants are hermaphroditic. You're supposed to be biologist and you don't even know that?
The kind of "asexual" you describe doesn't exist. Either you have a hermaphrodite, or all-female.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 20 mars 2010 - 05:02 .

[vhatever]

Lightice_av wrote...

I have a masters in biochemistry/cell bio. If this ant species was trully and ALWAYS a female, then it would be the first species EVER to exist as such.

Sorry, but I take the word of professionals over random kooks on the internet. Also, who said anything about "always"? Who says that the asari never had males in their species? As I said before, the most likely scenario for their species' evolution would be that their males went extinct after they learned to reproduce through mind melds.

When was he last time you saw a "female oak tree"?

Plants are hermaphroditic. You're supposed to be biologist and you don't even know that?
The kind of "asexual" you describe doesn't exist. Either you have a hermaphrodite, or all-female.

Umm, I was making fun of the guy who said "duh one wit duh eggs is duh femal3". And all plants aren't hermaphroditic, btw, not even all angiosperms. 

[Lightice_av]

And all plants aren't hermaphroditic, btw, not even all angiosperms.

Yes, I know that there are such exceptions as male and female hemp plants, but even they occasionally produce hermaphroditic variants.

[Wittand25]

vhatever wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

I have a masters in biochemistry/cell bio. If this ant species was trully and ALWAYS a female, then it would be the first species EVER to exist as such.

Sorry, but I take the word of professionals over random kooks on the internet. Also, who said anything about "always"? Who says that the asari never had males in their species? As I said before, the most likely scenario for their species' evolution would be that their males went extinct after they learned to reproduce through mind melds.

When was he last time you saw a "female oak tree"?

Plants are hermaphroditic. You're supposed to be biologist and you don't even know that?
The kind of "asexual" you describe doesn't exist. Either you have a hermaphrodite, or all-female.

Umm, I was making fun of the guy who said "duh one wit duh eggs is duh femal3". And all plants aren't hermaphroditic, btw, not even all angiosperms. 

That was directed at me ? Well then I have to say because oak are monoclinous I have never seen an female oak, but I have seen the gynoecium of several flowers, which is the part that produces the ovule ( wich literaly means egg ).
Oh and yes many forms of parthenogenesis are asexual but automixis is a form of sexual parthenogenesis.

Modifié par Wittand25, 20 mars 2010 - 05:47 .

[vhatever]

Wittand25 wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

I have a masters in biochemistry/cell bio. If this ant species was trully and ALWAYS a female, then it would be the first species EVER to exist as such.

Sorry, but I take the word of professionals over random kooks on the internet. Also, who said anything about "always"? Who says that the asari never had males in their species? As I said before, the most likely scenario for their species' evolution would be that their males went extinct after they learned to reproduce through mind melds.

When was he last time you saw a "female oak tree"?

Plants are hermaphroditic. You're supposed to be biologist and you don't even know that?
The kind of "asexual" you describe doesn't exist. Either you have a hermaphrodite, or all-female.

Umm, I was making fun of the guy who said "duh one wit duh eggs is duh femal3". And all plants aren't hermaphroditic, btw, not even all angiosperms. 

That was directed at me ? Well then I have to say because oak are monoclinous I have never seen an female oak, but I have seen the gynoecium of several flowers, which is the part that produces the ovule ( wich literaly means egg ).
Oh and yes many forms of parthenogenesis are asexual but automixis is a form of sexual parthenogenesis.

But duh oak trees all hab duh eggs in dem, so dey all be females.

[Lightice_av]

You might want to make an argument rather than a vague insult, if you really have a need to display your own excellence, pal.

[Erode_The_Soul]

If insults start being thrown around, either directly or vaguely, it might be best to ignore them. It's the swiftest way to prevent being pulled off topic.

[Pannamaslo]

The reason of Asari's existence: OMGSPACEBOOBS AND OMGGIRLONGIRLACTION is enough to say that they were created to be feminine and appeal to the male audience. It really doesn't matter what is there biological sex/gender, vaginas, ovaries or whatever. It's not a discovery program on xenobiology.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 20 mars 2010 - 06:01 .

[Wittand25]

I won through self-disqualification of my opponent, nice but not perfect.
To get back to the topic of same-sex-romance in ME: Would you prefare a cleary, unmistakable male LI for male Shepard or an asari-like he is not really male one ?

Modifié par Wittand25, 20 mars 2010 - 06:07 .

[vhatever]

Wittand25 wrote...

I won through self-disqualification

^^ duh egg guy.

[DaeJi]

Wittand25 wrote...
To get back to the topic of same-sex-romance in ME: Would you prefare a cleary, unmistakable male LI for male Shepard or an asari-like he is not really male one ?

I would love to see them introduce a new mono-gendered species that look like human males, is romancable by MSheps, and then try to claim that it's not a gay relationship.

[Collider]

Wittand25 wrote...

I won through self-disqualification of my opponent, nice but not perfect.
To get back to the topic of same-sex-romance in ME: Would you prefare a cleary, unmistakable male LI for male Shepard or an asari-like he is not really male one ?

Asari are female. If the new race of males are as masculine as the asari are feminine, I don't think it matters which one Bioware gives to the M/M crowd.

[Atomic Space Vixen]

Darkhour wrote...


It could tarish Shepard as far as the developers are concerned.

I have to admit, no matter how wrong-headed and even silly I think most of your arguments are, I am in awe of your super-human mind reading skills.

[DaeJi]

Let's get off the Asari subject. It's off topic and is just causing tempers to rise for some reason.

[Lightice_av]

I would love to see them introduce a new mono-gendered species that look like human males, is romancable by MSheps, and then try to claim that it's not a gay relationship.

It would be incredibly amusing to see without a doubt, but it would pretty much condemn the new species to being a little more than a joke. Sci-fi has succesfully pulled off all-male species in the past, but throwing them in the same universe with an all-female species, and then using both for the purpose of simulating same-sex relationships would probably cause some kind of matter-antimatter explosion of ridicule from the gay community.

[Jaron Oberyn]

You guys do realize that there will be absolutely no m/m or f/f romance in mass effect 3 right?

1st. We probably won't be getting any new squadmates according to Christina Norman.

2nd. Mark Meer said he won't be doing Shepards voice if there is a gay romance.

3rd. Bioware repeatedly said that there will be no gay romance in mass effect trilogy because shepard doesn't swing that way.



I'm really surprised this thread isn't even locked. My point is, all of these arguments are useless. Your really wasting your time. If you want gay romances, play Dagon age. But don't set yourselves up for another disappointment with Mass 3. Because it's not going to be in there. That's just the honest truth of the matter.







-Polite