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[Collider]

Lightice_av wrote...

I would love to see them introduce a new mono-gendered species that look like human males, is romancable by MSheps, and then try to claim that it's not a gay relationship.

It would be incredibly amusing to see without a doubt, but it would pretty much condemn the new species to being a little more than a joke. Sci-fi has succesfully pulled off all-male species in the past, but throwing them in the same universe with an all-female species, and then using both for the purpose of simulating same-sex relationships would probably cause some kind of matter-antimatter explosion of ridicule from the gay community.

Really? Did the Asari get flak from lesbians?

[SorenTrigg]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

You guys do realize that there will be absolutely no m/m or f/f romance in mass effect 3 right?
1st. We probably won't be getting any new squadmates according to Christina Norman.
2nd. Mark Meer said he won't be doing Shepards voice if there is a gay romance.
3rd. Bioware repeatedly said that there will be no gay romance in mass effect trilogy because shepard doesn't swing that way.

Uhm...where did you get 2 and 3 from?
Don't quote Ray for 3, since that has been discredited many times.
As for 2, well...Meer *has* already done dialogue for gay romance, so I have no idea where you are coming from with that.

Edit: Even if we get no new squad mates, there is still Liara. So, there most likely will be f/f.

Modifié par SorenTrigg, 20 mars 2010 - 07:01 .

[Arik7]

SorenTrigg wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

You guys do realize that there will be absolutely no m/m or f/f romance in mass effect 3 right?
1st. We probably won't be getting any new squadmates according to Christina Norman.
2nd. Mark Meer said he won't be doing Shepards voice if there is a gay romance.
3rd. Bioware repeatedly said that there will be no gay romance in mass effect trilogy because shepard doesn't swing that way.

Uhm...where did you get 2 and 3 from?
Don't quote Ray for 3, since that has been discredited many times.
As for 2, well...Meer *has* already done dialogue for gay romance, so I have no idea where you are coming from with that.

He is making it up.  

Btw, this thread rocks!  Keep on going....

[Ryzaki]

LOL Asari argument happened when I was away? Seriously they're an all female race. People really need to get over it.

[Lightice_av]

[quote]You guys do realize that there will be absolutely no m/m or f/f romance in mass effect 3 right?
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Don't know unless you try. Liara is pretty much confirmed already, so F/F romance is pretty much certain.
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1st. We probably won't be getting any new squadmates according to Christina Norman.[/quote]
Source. But wouldn't matter if some of the old ones just finds themselves with a bit wider perspective than before, either.[/quote]
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2nd. Mark Meer said he won't be doing Shepards voice if there is a gay romance.
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Source!! He's already recorded plenty of M/M romance content. I swear, the broken telephone game that I apparently started just keeps getting worse and worse. No such statement was ever made.
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3rd. Bioware repeatedly said that there will be no gay romance in mass effect trilogy because shepard doesn't swing that way.
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Again, sources man, sources. If you're talking about that Dr. Muzyka interview, then he said nothing at all on the issue when asked. He sidetracked the question and went into entirely different path to avoid it. Female Shepard can already be gay, that's a confirmed fact. Why sexuality should be multiple choice for one Shepard but not for the other?
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Really? Did the Asari get flak from lesbians?[/quote] 
A bit, yes. "Discount lesbians", they get called. But what I tried to say was that if the asari and the hypothetical male species existed in the same universe the amount of ridicule would increase exponentially. One or the other is OK, but both would get rather silly.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 20 mars 2010 - 07:03 .

[Arik7]

Mark Meer in his halloween costume:

Modifié par Arik7, 20 mars 2010 - 07:05 .

[The Demonologist]

My 2 cents. Having colored dialogue so people can 'avoid' making the gay choice is stupid.



I think its pretty damn obvious when you're flirting in this game. That you would need this would be stupid.



The fact that "special provisions" need to be made just so people can avoid a gay romance is... well, pretty stupid.



And because it would be the same as oh so many other posts, its really just a matter of "Lrn2OpenMind."



2 cents from a straight dude. Peace.

[Collider]

@arik Uh...okay.

Modifié par Collider, 20 mars 2010 - 07:05 .

[Arik7]

The Demonologist wrote...

My 2 cents. Having colored dialogue so people can 'avoid' making the gay choice is stupid.

I think its pretty damn obvious when you're flirting in this game. That you would need this would be stupid.

The fact that "special provisions" need to be made just so people can avoid a gay romance is... well, pretty stupid.

And because it would be the same as oh so many other posts, its really just a matter of "Lrn2OpenMind."

2 cents from a straight dude. Peace.

[Collider]

The Demonologist wrote...

My 2 cents. Having colored dialogue so people can 'avoid' making the gay choice is stupid.

I think its pretty damn obvious when you're flirting in this game. That you would need this would be stupid.

The fact that "special provisions" need to be made just so people can avoid a gay romance is... well, pretty stupid.

And because it would be the same as oh so many other posts, its really just a matter of "Lrn2OpenMind."

2 cents from a straight dude. Peace.

Eh. Some of it actually isn't all that obvious. *cough* ashley *cough* Know why? Shepard does not actually say what you choose exactly. Just make all romance dialogue green and everyone is a happy camper. If it is so obvious as you say you would have known it was romance dialogue anyway.

[Lightice_av]

It's mostly obvious in my opinion, but there are a few exceptions, and apparently it's not nearly as obvious to everybody, so some simple provision to make the romance dialogue distinct would be a welcome change.

[DaeJi]

The Demonologist wrote...

My 2 cents. Having colored dialogue so people can 'avoid' making the gay choice is stupid.

I think its pretty damn obvious when you're flirting in this game. That you would need this would be stupid.

The fact that "special provisions" need to be made just so people can avoid a gay romance is... well, pretty stupid.

And because it would be the same as oh so many other posts, its really just a matter of "Lrn2OpenMind."

2 cents from a straight dude. Peace.

I think the colored dialog for romance idea is a good idea so that people can avoid accidental romances period, not just gay ones. There are times in a BioWare game where people romance characters without meaning too; in Dragon Age: Origins I accidentally began a relationship with Leliana despite not wanting too for example.

[Collider]

DaeJi wrote...
I think the colored dialog for romance idea is a good idea so that people can avoid accidental romances period, not just gay ones. There are times in a BioWare game where people romance characters without meaning too; in Dragon Age: Origins I accidentally began a relationship with Leliana despite not wanting too for example.

Which is exactly my point. Sometimes the dialogue isn't always so obvious. It's also important to know whether or not Shepard will be flirting so you don't accidentally have the game think you're "cheating."

[Ryzaki]

DaeJi wrote...

The Demonologist wrote...

My 2 cents. Having colored dialogue so people can 'avoid' making the gay choice is stupid.

I think its pretty damn obvious when you're flirting in this game. That you would need this would be stupid.

The fact that "special provisions" need to be made just so people can avoid a gay romance is... well, pretty stupid.

And because it would be the same as oh so many other posts, its really just a matter of "Lrn2OpenMind."

2 cents from a straight dude. Peace.

I think the colored dialog for romance idea is a good idea so that people can avoid accidental romances period, not just gay ones. There are times in a BioWare game where people romance characters without meaning too; in Dragon Age: Origins I accidentally began a relationship with Leliana despite not wanting too for example.

Oh Ninja Leliana love. I know that far too well. My FemCousland was playing hard to get with Alistiar and all of a sudden I get the her or me talk.

[Speakeasy13]

Ooh I was a bit late to join the fun. Hang out too much at the spoiler forum and didn't check this one enough. This thread gets my 100% approval, for what it's worth.

People need to realize that gay people are no different than heterosexual people. We're saints and jerks, machos and sissies, heroes and villains. ANYONE can be straight or gay. It's only a choice that affects one aspect of our existence, and it should by no means define who and what we are. Shepard can be gay, and it wouldn't make him any less of a hero. To quote Yeoman Kelly Chambers, "Character matters, not race or gender."

I always joke about it with my male friends who feel uncomfortable about gay sex, "I know two men having sex may be disgusting to you. Let's take it one step at a time. Think about two women having sex. Doesn't that make you more pro-gay?" And 90% of the time they all say "yes", so I guess there's a reason why ME1 ended up the way it did.

Judging from the poll results, I'd say we're ready to move on to the next step aren't we? Bring on the hot male-on-male action! Let's work our way up slowly to the Grunt-on-Zaeed I've been dreaming about. It's a long way, and all we need to get there is just abit less finger-pointing and abit more understanding, really.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Asari are, for all intents and purposes by HUMAN STANDARDS (meaning us, the players), female. They have feminine bodies, feminine voices, and breasts that they often flash around to entice. They're just the safe "lesbian" romance choice, because since they aren't truly female, it gives people an excuse to argue against male/male pairings while letting others get their jollies off on girl on girl action. It's Bioware's little fail-safe.

Modifié par Mimaiselphenai, 20 mars 2010 - 07:58 .

[Weiser_Cain]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Asari are, for all intents and purposes by HUMAN STANDARDS (meaning us, the players), female. They have feminine bodies, feminine voices, and breasts that they often flash around to entice.

With brain tentacles...

[Mimaiselphenai]

I think I've discovered what everyone is afraid of. I know this is a serious topic and all, but I came across this and can't help myself. FORGIVE ME

[Wittand25]

For those saying that the voice actor did not want to record lines for m/m, male Shepard telling Tali that he is out and proud:
www.youtube.com/watch

I know the lines exist most likely because Bioware just produced one skript for both male and female Shepards but still the lines got voiced.

Modifié par Wittand25, 20 mars 2010 - 11:08 .

[JediMB]

vhatever wrote...

A species which only reproduces asexually is by default NOT female. It's a unisex, asexual species.

The asari aren't asexual, since they require a second parent to produce offspring.

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh Ninja Leliana love. I know that far too
well. My FemCousland was playing hard to get with Alistiar and all of a
sudden I get the her or me talk. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Hah, yeah. I accidentally did something that made me skip past the "initiate romance" dialog in my second character, and got her love automatically. Had to break up with her, since I'd decided to romance Zevran... and didn't know about the... benefits... of a high persuasion skill.

[Darkhour]

Wittand25 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

It's how I interact with said aliens, not the fact that I come across aliens that matters. Even KKK members interact with non-whites. The idea that they are going to team up with a mexican guy who doesn't bring any crucial skill or ability to the party doesn't make sense. Besides Liara none of the alien crew is necessary. Wrex, Tali and Garrus are completely unncessary after your initial meeting.
 

 Only one of the three is mandatory to join the crew the other two are optional and Shepard can decide if he/she wants them to join.
Regarding your claim that male Shepard is straight because there was no flirt option till now.
First beeing gay/bisexuell does not mean to flirt with every member of the same sex and second that is exactly what we want to change in ME2/ be integrated in ME3 the ability to flirt with another male as male Shepard.

Wrex and Garrus: You have to get at least one of them, but not both. If you leave Garrus and take Wrex he cannot die on Virmire (or am I wrong?). That's why I said they are semi-optional because I couldn't think of a better word.

I'm done talking about how Bioware's blatant and oh so very obvious choice to make femshep bisexual, but clear and evident choice to not make maleshep bisexual. If you want to live in your own fairy tale world where you decide everything about Shepard instead of the developers, so be it. Please, people, enough with this.

[Darkhour]

vhatever wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Whatever the Asari are, the look female and for the most part, human females would only find them attractive if they found females in general attractive. Let us leave it at that and not discuss it further.

Human males look more like human females than asari look like human females. Rejected.

....excuse me? Are you high?

[Lightice_av]

If you want to live in your own fairy tale world where you decide everything about Shepard instead of the developers, so be it.

The Tali & Garrus fans did, and see how it worked out? You seem to have failed to comprehend that customer feedback is something that Bioware has taken seriously (along with the optionality of the romance options, as well as few others).
Also amusing how you feel the need to inform everybody that you're done talking.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 20 mars 2010 - 09:59 .

[Nomen Mendax]

Collider wrote...

DaeJi wrote...
I think the colored dialog for romance idea is a good idea so that people can avoid accidental romances period, not just gay ones. There are times in a BioWare game where people romance characters without meaning too; in Dragon Age: Origins I accidentally began a relationship with Leliana despite not wanting too for example.

Which is exactly my point. Sometimes the dialogue isn't always so obvious. It's also important to know whether or not Shepard will be flirting so you don't accidentally have the game think you're "cheating."

But going forward (ME3) I'd rather they made the dialogue choices obvious.  Not just for romances but in general, it irritates me when my Shepard does something I wasn't expecting (and didn't want to happen) because the dialogue text is too vague.

[Fade9wayz]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

Collider wrote...

DaeJi wrote...
I think the colored dialog for romance idea is a good idea so that people can avoid accidental romances period, not just gay ones. There are times in a BioWare game where people romance characters without meaning too; in Dragon Age: Origins I accidentally began a relationship with Leliana despite not wanting too for example.

Which is exactly my point. Sometimes the dialogue isn't always so obvious. It's also important to know whether or not Shepard will be flirting so you don't accidentally have the game think you're "cheating."

But going forward (ME3) I'd rather they made the dialogue choices obvious.  Not just for romances but in general, it irritates me when my Shepard does something I wasn't expecting (and didn't want to happen) because the dialogue text is too vague.

This. Chosing a conversation is like a chocolate box. You never know what you'll find in it...
Joke aside, the fact that conversation options being on paragon/neutral/renegade level is more telling than the choice hints IS sad. In the end, you find yourself making conversations choices by default, not because you thought this line of conversation made more sense to you than the others.