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[T1l]

DaeJi wrote...

We're talking about Shepard in Mass Effect, not ourselves. We want more same sex options for him/her to play in the game.

Is it not an individuals sexual orientation that drives them to want this in-game? If not that, then why?

[DaeJi]

T1l wrote...


Is it not an individuals sexual orientation that drives them to want this in-game? If not that, then why?

Fun. More choices. Fun. Wanting others to be more immersed in the game. Fun. Pretty much fun, same reason guys play femSheps and girls play MSheps.

Fun.

[The Uncanny]

DaeJi wrote...

Fun. More choices. Fun. Wanting others to be more immersed in the game. Fun. Pretty much fun, same reason guys play femSheps and girls play MSheps.

Fun.

This!

I love fun. Fun is great.

More fun!

[Stanley Woo]

No, nothing said on the forums will force BioWare to do anything. It does, however, give us an idea of what some of our players would like to see in a future product. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing people's wishlists for future products.



I believe that supporters are also asking for additions to the romance options available, and not replacements. As in, "in addition to the romance we've already seen in Mass Effect, we'd like to have the option of same sex romances for our Shepard." If this is the case, it's a valid request, so let's please keep this thread as civil and mature as we can. Thank you all for your participation over the last 142 pages. I'll let it keep going as long as there's something to discuss and as long as people can stay mature about it.

[Mallissin]

I refuse to allow any discussion to remain MATURE! I demand we begin arguing about the topic like toddlers.



U STOL MI LOVIPOP!

[GreedIsNoException]

I may not be gay but I think it is unfair that Fem Shep can have female and asaris (which are asexual but look like women). So I think a male (or one that looks like one) for a Male Shep might be necessary. For now everyone's too busy with the lesbian love of their FemShep and Liara (now they want Tali) to even suggest something like this. ... Whoa the thread didn't close

[Ruud333]

T1l wrote...

What ever happened to this kind of thing being behind closed doors?

I don't care what other people do in their own bedroom, it's none of my business how people get their jollies. I don't want to know about others sex lives and nor would I expect others would want to know mine.

If homosexuals keep what they want in ME 'behind closed doors', then there is precious little chance of them getting what they want included in the ME universe

And to be fair you were the one who opened the door and walked into this thread.

T1l wrote...

How is this even an appropriate discussion for the Mass Effect General Forum?

Pray tell what is so inappropriate?

T1l wrote...

How on Earth did this thread reach 100+ pages? What the hell, Bioware?

Off the top of my head maybe because it is popular and does not break any of the rules for posting in this forum?

Modifié par Ruud333, 22 mars 2010 - 11:22 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

mrfoo1 wrote...

I can respect that.  I just disagreed with the retraction that this thread isn't trying to force Bioware into making any politically influenced decisions. There are a lot of people in the thread and even though the intent is not there to force a change in design or policy or whatever, large numbers of people have the capacity to do that. And sadly sexual orientation is a political button.

And considering forum users make up the minority of users for Bioware it's a little concerning to think about the backlash not only for Bioware and EA but gaming as a whole. The mess could be like a Cataclysm in 2010 for the world of gaming.

Depending on how you look at Bioware's history, though, you could argue that the forced change may already have occurred, and not by those in favour of including same-sex romance. KotOR and JE had same-sex romance options (f/f in both, m/m in JE), as does DA:O (both), and the material was recorded for all three LIs in ME to be romanceable by either sex of Shepard. F/f same-sex relationships were included in both ME1 and 2. This thread is, among other things, an argument that s/s content is desireable for a number of reasons and would be appreciated by a large number of gamers. Also, sales from DA have hardly been hurt from its inclusion; the spectre of a big negative is hardly as looming as I think it's sometimes been portrayed.

As for its political nature, well, Bioware sells games in more countries than the continental US. They're a Canadian-founded company, and we tend to be a little less polarized on the subject. And suggesting that they should perhaps ignore those voices calling for s/s romance inclusion in favour of listening to those who might produce a backlash is no less 'forcing' their hand in design policy.

We're saying that if they do it, and do it well, we will thank them for it, and the gaming experences of a lot of people will be for the better. More inclusion, more options, more fun.

[LebatomiBeni]

Ryzaki wrote...

And just the way he acts when Shep rejects him. Ugh.

Real classy Jacob...really classy.

It wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't the only human LI! But *sighs* Ugh. I don't know who wrote that scene but it makes Jacob look horrible.

Did you ever think that Jacob isn't the goody-goody soldier he's tries so hard to be perceived as and that he actually has bad traits i.e. becoming childish when rejected by a woman that he's attracted to--and who, I might add, is more powerful and influential than he is?

Lots of men get that way.

[Ryzaki]

LebatomiBeni wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And just the way he acts when Shep rejects him. Ugh.

Real classy Jacob...really classy.

It wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't the only human LI! But *sighs* Ugh. I don't know who wrote that scene but it makes Jacob look horrible.

Did you ever think that Jacob isn't the goody-goody soldier he's tries so hard to be perceived as and that he actually has bad traits i.e. becoming childish when rejected by a woman that he's attracted to--and who, I might add, is more powerful and influential than he is?

Lots of men get that way.

Doesn't make it any more attractive however. <_< Might have been semi-interesting if they tried to give him actual flaws and good points. He's just so...bleh and boring that I can't really empathize or care about him. Plus that part where he walks away is just creepy. Not to mention his "I'm not good enough for Miranda..." oh so you're good enough for FemShep now? 

Also: Just because most people do it doesn't mean I have to find it acceptable.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 mars 2010 - 11:49 .

[The Uncanny]

Ryzaki wrote...

Not to mention his "I'm not good enough for Miranda..." oh so you're good enough for FemShep now? 

Yeah, I thought that! She needs a better man than you, but you'll do for FemShep? Any FemShep player pursuing him as an LI must at that point be thinking "wait... what?"

[LebatomiBeni]

Ryzaki wrote...

LebatomiBeni wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And just the way he acts when Shep rejects him. Ugh.

Real classy Jacob...really classy.

It wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't the only human LI! But *sighs* Ugh. I don't know who wrote that scene but it makes Jacob look horrible.

Did you ever think that Jacob isn't the goody-goody soldier he's tries so hard to be perceived as and that he actually has bad traits i.e. becoming childish when rejected by a woman that he's attracted to--and who, I might add, is more powerful and influential than he is?

Lots of men get that way.

Doesn't make it any more attractive however. <_< Might have been semi-interesting if they tried to give him actual flaws and good points. He's just so...bleh and boring that I can't really empathize or care about him. Plus that part where he walks away is just creepy. Not to mention his "I'm not good enough for Miranda..." oh so you're good enough for FemShep now? 

Also: Just because most people do it doesn't mean I have to find it acceptable.

Never said you had to accept it nor like it.

Merely pointing out that I believed that his behavior in that scene wasn't horrible. More like realistic. And it was good to see that he didn't have a "clean" personality.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

The Uncanny wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Not to mention his "I'm not good enough for Miranda..." oh so you're good enough for FemShep now? 

Yeah, I thought that! She needs a better man than you, but you'll do for FemShep? Any FemShep player pursuing him as an LI must at that point be thinking "wait... what?"

Well, Miranda's genetically perfect (and such a burden it is, sigh). Shep's a factory refurb. Or something, I guess.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 23 mars 2010 - 12:08 .

[SuperMedbh]

Yeah, I romanced Jacob on my first playthrough, pretty much just to do it. He's sexy at first, but after you get to know him, he's got too many issues. I also didn't like the way Shepard started acting all sex kitten-ish around him. She didn't act that way with Kaiden; he was a bit bland, but the relationship felt real.



Second playthrough, I got rid of my anti-exoskeleton prejudices and went for my favourite Taurian, scars and all. Just close your eyes and listen to his voice.... (too bad it's only a fling)



Whoops, sorry, don't mean to derail the thread into hetero land. But seriously, if you can have nookie with aliens, what on Earth (or wherever) is wrong with boy/boy girl/girl relationships?

[Ryzaki]

LebatomiBeni wrote...

Never said you had to accept it nor like it.

Merely pointing out that I believed that his behavior in that scene wasn't horrible. More like realistic. And it was good to see that he didn't have a "clean" personality.

Still rubbed me the wrong way. And did I ever say it was unrealistic? 

The Uncanny wrote...

Yeah,
I thought that! She needs a better man than you, but you'll do for
FemShep? Any FemShep player pursuing him as an LI must at that point be
thinking "wait... what?"

QFT.

The
second he said that I was like.
"...yeah...you're not good enough for Miranda you're definetly not good
enough for FemShep." she's gonna stick it out
with Kaidan.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2010 - 12:10 .

[DarthCaine]

Just to point out the beauty of same sex romance:

Modifié par DarthCaine, 23 mars 2010 - 12:10 .

[The Uncanny]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Well, Miranda's genetically perfect (and such a burden it is, sigh). FemShep's a factory refurb. Or something, I guess.

Lulz.

It's amazing that when FemShep asks him if there is anything wrong with the original packaging he doesn't take the opportunity to give her his list of much needed improvements: cup size increased to DD, ability to totter around battlefield in high heels, ass the size of a small moon...

[DarthCaine]

renderwerx wrote...

Same Sex Romances ???

Is Shepard gay?

It's never actually established, so some people want him/her to be

[Lightice_av]

It's never actually established, so some people want him/her to be

Or more accurately, want to give him an option to be.Just like his female counterpart does.

[Arik7]

Shepard is supposed to be your custom character. You can make countless choices about his or her life, except for his sexuality, if he is a male.

[DaeJi]

Arik7 wrote...

Shepard is supposed to be your custom character. You can make countless choices about his or her life, except for his sexuality, if he is a male.

You can, it's just not supported in the game. Straight MShep, straight femShep, bi MShep, bi femShep, and gay femShep are all supported. Bi MShep only has access to girls though.

[walk0nwalls]

+1 thank you for expressing what i've been thinking in a concise and thoughtful manner.





This is troubling considering i call myself a writer and this is supposed to be my job.





...oh well.