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[Images]

Nice to see the mods chiming in btw.



Reread the FAQ. Completely support future gay romances of both types in ME but not sure I agree with making Kaiden, Tali or Thane swing both ways. Sure the dialogue was recorded but I dunno...think the boat may have been missed. Jack on the other hand, she's already admitted to some menage trois territory anyway so they could go to town on her with adding a romance. Apart from her I'm thinking adding new characters.





...Although if Ashley goes sapphic and has major religious issues about it that would be pretty amazing from a narrative point of view.



I like discussion! Especially since most the haters have died down. Thoughts?

[Arik7]

Stanley Woo wrote...

No, nothing said on the forums will force BioWare to do anything. It does, however, give us an idea of what some of our players would like to see in a future product. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing people's wishlists for future products.

I believe that supporters are also asking for additions to the romance options available, and not replacements. As in, "in addition to the romance we've already seen in Mass Effect, we'd like to have the option of same sex romances for our Shepard." If this is the case, it's a valid request, so let's please keep this thread as civil and mature as we can. Thank you all for your participation over the last 142 pages. I'll let it keep going as long as there's something to discuss and as long as people can stay mature about it.

I am trying to read between the lines here.   I guess that means we can hope for new bisexual characters.....

[Arik7]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
I am trying to read between the lines here.   I guess that means we can hope for new bisexual characters.....

And if there isn't any lines to read between?

With all the emphasized words, I think Mr. Woo may be trying to tell us something.....

[DaeJi]

Images wrote...

Reread the FAQ. Completely support future gay romances of both types in ME but not sure I agree with making Kaiden, Tali or Thane swing both ways. Sure the dialogue was recorded but I dunno...think the boat may have been missed. Jack on the other hand, she's already admitted to some menage trois territory anyway so they could go to town on her with adding a romance. Apart from her I'm thinking adding new characters.

The "boat" for Kaidan/Tali/Thane may have sailed in the current games (I disagree, but still) but future expansions and Mass Effect 3 still hold hope. 

[Lightice_av]

With all the emphasized words, I think Mr. Woo may be trying to tell us something.....

I'm pretty sure he's just saying he knows where this thread's coming from, and on his own part sympathizes with making a simple and valid request. I wouldn't call it any kind of hidden message just because it comes from a dev.

But it does mean that the thread isn't being ignored or disliked by the staff.

[Eternal Dust]

The Uncanny wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

The entire conversation is quite creepy if you listen to it.  The teh priiiiiiiiize part makes it that more creepy.  Initially I hadn't remembered he had said the "teh priiiize" thing on my FemShep/Liara playthough but after I saw it again I realized I had.  I remeber my feeling when he first came there and I was creeped the **** out.

At first I was going to romance him because to me he was the only one I could tolerate since Garrus looks like a bird with raptor teeth and Thane's eyes creep me out.  And then he's all, "I crept into your office and blah blah blah I'm a creep.  Yes I am and if you sleep with me u won't be waking up because i'm a intergalatic serial killer."  So yeah I ended up reloading and staying faithful to Liara.

QFT.

I feel sorry for all Femsheps in ME2. You can stick by an ME1 love interest who reacts to seeing you resurrected with all the enthusiasm of someone about to get a root canal. You can go for a girl who you get to know nothing about and who seems to consider dressing up as a stripper and shaking her ass in your quarters to be a romantic interlude. Or, should you prefer the hetero route, you're stuck with those three.

Never mind ship models, my Shepard constantly searches in Citadel Souvenirs for a decent vibrator...

LMAO!

[Arik7]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
I am trying to read between the lines here.   I guess that means we can hope for new bisexual characters.....

I would also like to know how it would be implemented. Would it be a toggleable function as was suggested by coyote1522AVE or would it be choice segregated? Would it be something that a player could have the capacity to accidentally stumble into? Or would there be clear and concise options to relegate the diffrences?

Im not reading 140+ pages to see prior posts that may have that information.

Why so many questions?  BioWare has done it several times before.  See Dragon Age....

[SimonTheFrog]

I personally don't see a hint in this.

But then again the lack of m/m and f/f romance in ME was always pretty much surprising in the first place. So i would NOT be surprised if they'd seriously talk about it from time to time. But that just means what it means... talking... considering...

[SorenTrigg]

mrfoo1 wrote...

I would also like to know how it would be implemented. Would it be a toggleable function as was suggested by coyote1522AVE or would it be choice segregated? Would it be something that a player could have the capacity to accidentally stumble into? Or would there be clear and concise options to relegate the diffrences?

Why does it need to be implimented in any special way?
It can just be there like the straight romances are. If you don't want to do them, don't do them.
If people could accidentally stumble into them, they can do the same with the current ones then.

People have, however, suggested making colored text for all romances, to avoid anyone accidentally doing any romance.

[Ryzaki]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

I personally don't see a hint in this.
But then again the lack of m/m and f/f romance in ME was always pretty much surprising in the first place. So i would NOT be surprised if they'd seriously talk about it from time to time. But that just means what it means... talking... considering...

Aye. Tis always better to assume the worst and be pleasantly surprised than assume the best and be dissappointed.

...then again I am a pessimist so make of that what you will.

SorenTrigg wrote...

Why does it need to be implimented in any special way?
It can just be there like the straight romances are. If you don't want to do them, don't do them.
If people could accidentally stumble into them, they can do the same with the current ones then.

People have, however, suggested making colored text for all romances, to avoid anyone accidentally doing any
romance.

There needs to be some colored text.
I've been ninja romanced by Leliana and Alistiar too many damn times. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2010 - 01:15 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Im not suggesting anything of that sort. So please do not interject a supposition like that into what I had stated. If I wanted to say that s/s should not be in games or that this thread should be ignored I would have. In those exact words. And I agree Canadians and Europeans are more tolerable of s/s but it still doesn't change the fact that s/s is a political button. So regardless of where you or I or the forum community stand we are the small percentile. I don't think it's a bad idea to consider consumer/whatever backlash when you discuss s/s in ME which is markated as a flagship product for Bioware.

I did not understand what exactly the intention of a thread over 140 pages on sexuality in a video game has to do with any gameplay mechanics or the etc. And I disagreed with the statement that threads and the people who support them do not have the capacity to force, either intentional or not, decisions that are made by game companies.

And I do take offence to the imposition by a blue texted poster and you. I have wondered why people were so encouraged to take part in this thread and the topic, so I asked. It does not make me a bad person.

I apologize for intimating that you had suggested ignoring the pro-s/s camp in favour of the antis. My intention was to point out that, just as viewing this thread and its calls for s/s romance inclusion could be viewed as 'forcing' Bioware to change its view, so too could taking potential backlash by the vocal antis into account. I disagree that this is the case with this thread - they're certainly free to ignore the suggestions and requests here, and don't need any of our permission to do so. But sometimes they listen, and that's all that's really expected.

As for its relevance to gameplay mechanics and so forth, it has as much to do with that as any thread that discusses the value of romance/conversation/character development, IMO. There's quite a lot of gameplay-relevant issues centred around character development of Shepard, customisation and immersion, and so forth, and I'd argue that it shouldn't be considered any less integral to gameplay than combat.

Also, I didn't say you were a bad person, and never implied it. If you're going to insist that others not misrepresent your positions - a fair point - then be willing to show the same courtesy.

[Images]

DaeJi wrote...

Images wrote...

Reread the FAQ. Completely support future gay romances of both types in ME but not sure I agree with making Kaiden, Tali or Thane swing both ways. Sure the dialogue was recorded but I dunno...think the boat may have been missed. Jack on the other hand, she's already admitted to some menage trois territory anyway so they could go to town on her with adding a romance. Apart from her I'm thinking adding new characters.

The "boat" for Kaidan/Tali/Thane may have sailed in the current games (I disagree, but still) but future expansions and Mass Effect 3 still hold hope. 

Well...I kinda meant the boat has sailed for the rest of the game series. I think going back and opening them back up to their hidden sexuality they never mentioned to Shepherd till now seems...random. I know they might never have brought it up in conversation if it wasn't important at the time but it just seems a little odd. I'd just be up for new chars and Jack generally.

Can't believe no one commented on the Ash idea though!


Course I could always suggest that Jacob, like Omar on The Wire is a fighter by day but a sweet chocolate manlover at the night....


...No definitely not. Did that as my femshep play and he is just creepy with his prize giveaway.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Images wrote...

Nice to see the mods chiming in btw.

Reread the FAQ. Completely support future gay romances of both types in ME but not sure I agree with making Kaiden, Tali or Thane swing both ways. Sure the dialogue was recorded but I dunno...think the boat may have been missed. Jack on the other hand, she's already admitted to some menage trois territory anyway so they could go to town on her with adding a romance. Apart from her I'm thinking adding new characters.


...Although if Ashley goes sapphic and has major religious issues about it that would be pretty amazing from a narrative point of view.

I like discussion! Especially since most the haters have died down. Thoughts?

As far as I know, none of those characters (save for Kaiden, probably) ever mentioned that they were strictly heterosexual. Tali even halfway flirts with FemShep after her loyalty mission. "I would be honored to link suits with you." Followed by becoming embarrassed and "getting back to tinkering." Does that necessarily mean she swings both ways? No, but it doesn't establish her as straight, either. Maybe she's just shy about exploring other options.

'Course, male or female, Shepard is a galactic icon. Something tells me his/her gender would play a far less role in people's attraction to him/her than any other person out there. Especially if your Shepard is always there for them and fights for them.

[DaeJi]

Images wrote...



Well...I kinda meant the boat has sailed for the rest of the game series. I think going back and opening them back up to their hidden sexuality they never mentioned to Shepherd till now seems...random. I know they might never have brought it up in conversation if it wasn't important at the time but it just seems a little odd. I'd just be up for new chars and Jack generally.

I don't see how opening the characters up to same sex relationships in future games is any more random than Tali and Garrus in Mass Effect 2. If BioWare can pull that off, then Tali or Kaidan can be bi in an expansion or Mass Effect 3. Or a DLC, I'm not picky.

[Mimaiselphenai]

DaeJi wrote...
I don't see how opening the characters up to same sex relationships in future games is any more random than Tali and Garrus in Mass Effect 2. If BioWare can pull that off, then Tali or Kaidan can be bi in an expansion or Mass Effect 3. Or a DLC, I'm not picky.

Especially since the romances in 1 and 2 haven't exactly been deeply moving, anyway. xP

[Ryzaki]

mrfoo1 wrote...

So I am curious as to how people would like to see the options of s/s other avenues or how they think they would be implemented.

Personally I want there to be friendship paths like DA and not this: "I'm not going to talk to you anymore because you don't want to have sex with me!" nonsense. <_<  I shouldn't have to bang Jack to help her realize people would like her for more than just her body.

I personally wouldn't mind if the s/s options were implemented like JE where you had to reject all the straight LIs first and then approach the s/s LI yourself.

Then again I don't care as long as its in. :innocent:

Though yes. I would prefer Kaidan. I can't help it. That's been my ship since ME1.

Also: colored text ftw. No more ninja romances! Even if you guys at BW don't place in s/s romances please, please, please! Give us colored text romance options! (even if its for one line to start the romance and turns off after the romance has been started).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2010 - 01:28 .

[Images]

DaeJi wrote...

Images wrote...



Well...I kinda meant the boat has sailed for the rest of the game series. I think going back and opening them back up to their hidden sexuality they never mentioned to Shepherd till now seems...random. I know they might never have brought it up in conversation if it wasn't important at the time but it just seems a little odd. I'd just be up for new chars and Jack generally.

I don't see how opening the characters up to same sex relationships in future games is any more random than Tali and Garrus in Mass Effect 2. If BioWare can pull that off, then Tali or Kaidan can be bi in an expansion or Mass Effect 3. Or a DLC, I'm not picky.

Well the two year hiatus made sense for Garrus, he'd grown into a worthy legend in his own right. Also, seeing Shepherd alive made him think, damn this woman is even more amazing than I thought! I'm not sure if thats quite the same as a change in sexual preferences. We'd argue that one into the ground! Good point though. Like it.

That Tali-suit-sharing thing...I just thought she meant I was close enough to be like family to her when I used one of my 2 femsheps...don't think she said it to my main maleshep (only played through with one of those 2  so far) since he'd blabbed to the fleet about what we found...

If they're gonna out characters I still say it should be more of a surprise. Make it Garrus! Or Ash! Or Mordin for that matter! Going obvious just feels slightly meh...sort of like the sith lords restoration project just took forever to get old stuff put back in...did they ever finish that? I lost interest.

[DaeJi]

Images wrote...

Well the two year hiatus made sense for Garrus, he'd grown into a worthy legend in his own right. Also, seeing Shepherd alive made him think, damn this woman is even more amazing than I thought! I'm not sure if thats quite the same as a change in sexual preferences. We'd argue that one into the ground! Good point though. Like it.

That Tali-suit-sharing thing...I just thought she meant I was close enough to be like family to her when I used one of my 2 femsheps...don't think she said it to my main maleshep (only played through with one of those 2  so far) since he'd blabbed to the fleet about what we found...

If they're gonna out characters I still say it should be more of a surprise. Make it Garrus! Or Ash! Or Mordin for that matter! Going obvious just feels slightly meh...sort of like the sith lords restoration project just took forever to get old stuff put back in...did they ever finish that? I lost interest.

I always found Tali and Garrus to be kind of obvious. Anyway, neither Tali nor Garrus showed any kind of hints towards Shepard in Mass Effect, and yet they are willing to be together with him or her in the sequel. And it works because BioWare makes it work, the characters mature in that direction. As a writer, I've always believe that the mark of a good character in an "epic" story is that if you cannot see where they will end up when you first meet them, or even after getting to know them for a while. I think taking a current squadmate and moving them to a new romance would make for better drama.

[Lightice_av]

That Tali-suit-sharing thing...I just thought she meant I was close enough to be like family to her when I used one of my 2 femsheps...don't think she said it to my main maleshep (only played through with one of those 2 so far) since he'd blabbed to the fleet about what we found...

I'm quite sure she says it to both Shepards. And while the words themselves aren't necessarily suggestive (though it wouldn't take much imagination to make them such), the way they are delivered and potentially responded to certainly raises eyebrows. I'm still baffled at just how that was supposed to not have been flirting.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Lightice_av wrote...

That Tali-suit-sharing thing...I just thought she meant I was close enough to be like family to her when I used one of my 2 femsheps...don't think she said it to my main maleshep (only played through with one of those 2 so far) since he'd blabbed to the fleet about what we found...

I'm quite sure she says it to both Shepards. And while the words themselves aren't necessarily suggestive (though it wouldn't take much imagination to make them such), the way they are delivered and potentially responded to certainly raises eyebrows. I'm still baffled at just how that was supposed to not have been flirting.

Like I said a few posts up, it could very well be flirting, and Tali's just too shy to go any further with a female Shepard. It's all open to interpretation as far as I'm concerned.

[Images]

DaeJi wrote...

Images wrote...

Well the two year hiatus made sense for Garrus, he'd grown into a worthy legend in his own right. Also, seeing Shepherd alive made him think, damn this woman is even more amazing than I thought! I'm not sure if thats quite the same as a change in sexual preferences. We'd argue that one into the ground! Good point though. Like it.

That Tali-suit-sharing thing...I just thought she meant I was close enough to be like family to her when I used one of my 2 femsheps...don't think she said it to my main maleshep (only played through with one of those 2  so far) since he'd blabbed to the fleet about what we found...

If they're gonna out characters I still say it should be more of a surprise. Make it Garrus! Or Ash! Or Mordin for that matter! Going obvious just feels slightly meh...sort of like the sith lords restoration project just took forever to get old stuff put back in...did they ever finish that? I lost interest.

I always found Tali and Garrus to be kind of obvious. Anyway, neither Tali nor Garrus showed any kind of hints towards Shepard in Mass Effect, and yet they are willing to be together with him or her in the sequel. And it works because BioWare makes it work, the characters mature in that direction. As a writer, I've always believe that the mark of a good character in an "epic" story is that if you cannot see where they will end up when you first meet them, or even after getting to know them for a while. I think taking a current squadmate and moving them to a new romance would make for better drama.

Heh, I dunno. You'll all kill me for this but Tali was just a pain in the sides to me. Never found her remotely charming or interesting and almost saw going back to the engines to chat with her as a chore.

I don't know if I agree with you on the slow romance in an epic story being better for the narrative. I think that when it comes to Space Opera and fantasy its conflicting views and personalities that make a better sell than the longstanding buddy by their side. After all, we're riding a wave of fantasy and excitement the romances should echo that at least somewhat.  Han and Leia for starters...

Tali just never got the fires going for me...except for when she does her geth rants and even then just sounds a lil nutty.

I'd be interested in your published works though. What genre are they?

[SimonTheFrog]

Hooray for character development!