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[Images]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Hooray for character development!

Indeed! And Huzzah and Hurrah as well! And don't worry, I've sent your hip hips to you in the post.

Damn you Garrus and your calibrations, I want to meet the real you, ya post-traumatic stress afflicted nut!

[Gemini1179]

I don't demand anything of BW but support more LI options, and including same sex options for fairness to all.

[Arik7]

Shavon wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

I am trying to read between the lines here.   I guess that means we can hope for new bisexual characters.....

Even them that would be pretty awesome. It means they have been listening and are willing to give the fans what they want to see, "in addition" to the romances.

Personally, I would love to see some of the characters we already have presented become an option for the same gender, but let's take what we can get

Same here.... While I think Kaidan is a very attractive character, a new character would be much better than nothing.... 

[FataliTensei]

Arik7 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

I am trying to read between the lines here.   I guess that means we can hope for new bisexual characters.....

Even them that would be pretty awesome. It means they have been listening and are willing to give the fans what they want to see, "in addition" to the romances.

Personally, I would love to see some of the characters we already have presented become an option for the same gender, but let's take what we can get

Same here.... While I think Kaidan is a very attractive character, a new character would be much better than nothing.... 

*cough* Hendel Mitra *cough*

[FataliTensei]

Ryzaki wrote...



Aye. Tis always better to assume the worst and be pleasantly surprised than assume the best and be dissappointed.

that's my view on it

[sw33ts]

Images wrote...

...Although if Ashley goes sapphic and has major religious issues about it that would be pretty amazing from a narrative point of view.

I like discussion! Especially since most the haters have died down. Thoughts?

Honestly, on my first playthrough I wanted to romance Ashley.  I unno.  I would run and talk to everyone, Liara, Ashley, Kaidan.  All of them but not Wrex.  I don't know I just never saw him there in his corner for some reason, but yeah my friend was telling me how I could romance people and I was like REALLY?!  So throughout the game I just kept talking to Ashley thinking I could romance her and then she *spoiler*ed Wrex and I was all **** that's ****ing gangsta she was all no regrets, family person.  I found her interesting. And then I found out she wasn't romanacable by me after she *spoiler*ed Wrex for me?  Whut?!  WAI?!  What is this tom foolery?  I was sad.    (Then I saw the romance scene on YT and I was annoyed that I couldn't do that because of the lack of that option.  I couldn't even say I was interested (and be shot down or not). )

So I ended up restarting before Virmire because my friend ended up telling me right after I didn't save Kaidan that oh you shouldn't *spoiler* Wrex you should do his quest (guess I should learn to look harder.  Not my fault Wrex is like a ninja dissapearing into the shadows.)...and I romanced Liara since Kaidan has weird hair and a weird voice and he was really punky after Ash *spoiler*ed Wrex.

I would love to see Ash as a s/s romance and whatever ensues.

[tyddrwsau]

FataliTensei wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

I am trying to read between the lines here.   I guess that means we can hope for new bisexual characters.....

Even them that would be pretty awesome. It means they have been listening and are willing to give the fans what they want to see, "in addition" to the romances.

Personally, I would love to see some of the characters we already have presented become an option for the same gender, but let's take what we can get

Same here.... While I think Kaidan is a very attractive character, a new character would be much better than nothing.... 

*cough* Hendel Mitra *cough*

FataliTensei, you and me keep coming back to Hendel! Indeed, I've just been quietly promoting him in another thread. 

I do think someone of his caliber would be fascinating, and quite enough real hero lovin' to get my Shepard over his crush on certain other men, if they were made unavailable in the end.

(Kaidan's a dear, Shep will always love him. There's something ... rare... about Thane, lizard alien thing and all. Love them, would love to be able to love them. But a Hendel could be worth moving on for, in the end. I just hope he kept the beard during those years living the enviro-suit life.)

[SirGladiator]

sw33ts wrote...

Images wrote...

...Although if Ashley goes sapphic and has major religious issues about it that would be pretty amazing from a narrative point of view.

I like discussion! Especially since most the haters have died down. Thoughts?

Honestly, on my first playthrough I wanted to romance Ashley.  I unno.  I would run and talk to everyone, Liara, Ashley, Kaidan.  All of them but not Wrex.  I don't know I just never saw him there in his corner for some reason, but yeah my friend was telling me how I could romance people and I was like REALLY?!  So throughout the game I just kept talking to Ashley thinking I could romance her and then she *spoiler*ed Wrex and I was all **** that's ****ing gangsta she was all no regrets, family person.  I found her interesting. And then I found out she wasn't romanacable by me after she *spoiler*ed Wrex for me?  Whut?!  WAI?!  What is this tom foolery?  I was sad.    (Then I saw the romance scene on YT and I was annoyed that I couldn't do that because of the lack of that option.  I couldn't even say I was interested (and be shot down or not). )

So I ended up restarting before Virmire because my friend ended up telling me right after I didn't save Kaidan that oh you shouldn't *spoiler* Wrex you should do his quest (guess I should learn to look harder.  Not my fault Wrex is like a ninja dissapearing into the shadows.)...and I romanced Liara since Kaidan has weird hair and a weird voice and he was really punky after Ash *spoiler*ed Wrex.

I would love to see Ash as a s/s romance and whatever ensues.

I felt the same way, I too wanted to romance Ashley when I first played ME1, sadly it was not to be, at the time.  Good news though, if you have the PC version, Ashley now IS romancable by FemShep!  You just need the mod (its actually a save game file, starts right after the introduction), as the romance is 100% fully voiced, animated (love scene and all) you name it, they disabled it for an unknown reason but thanks to the mod you can now play it!  All the good stuff, helping Ashley instead of Kaiden on Eden Prime, flirting with Ashley instead of Kaiden on the Citadel, dancing with Ashley, you name it, its all there, just as it 'should' have been all along  .  And even more good news, once you finish ME1 you can import your character into ME2 and the Ashley-FemShep romance continues seamlessly, again fully voiced and everything, with no mod needed in ME2!  I played it a few weeks back myself, and while I personally like Liara better overall, theres no doubt that the Ashley-FemShep romance is THE best romance in the game, its just fantastic. 

I think that also really makes the point we've all been making, please just give us the option.  Of course not everybody wants to romance Ashley as FemShep, but for those of us who do it sure makes the game a lot more fun!  Thats the point, more options = more fun, and the Ashley-FemShep romance is further proof of that  .        

[FataliTensei]

tyddrwsau wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

I am trying to read between the lines here.   I guess that means we can hope for new bisexual characters.....

Even them that would be pretty awesome. It means they have been listening and are willing to give the fans what they want to see, "in addition" to the romances.

Personally, I would love to see some of the characters we already have presented become an option for the same gender, but let's take what we can get

Same here.... While I think Kaidan is a very attractive character, a new character would be much better than nothing.... 

*cough* Hendel Mitra *cough*

FataliTensei, you and me keep coming back to Hendel! Indeed, I've just been quietly promoting him in another thread. 

I do think someone of his caliber would be fascinating, and quite enough real hero lovin' to get my Shepard over his crush on certain other men, if they were made unavailable in the end.

(Kaidan's a dear, Shep will always love him. There's something ... rare... about Thane, lizard alien thing and all. Love them, would love to be able to love them. But a Hendel could be worth moving on for, in the end. I just hope he kept the beard during those years living the enviro-suit life.)

I would be sad if he lost the beard:(, though I could unserstand how it could be an issue with envirosuits

[Fade9wayz]

mrfoo1 wrote...
I disagree with this. Character development in a game with as open ended character progression as Bioware allows in ME and others to be should not be representative of sexual orientation of the players character. So if you don't mind could you elaborate more on this. I have read the FAQ post from DaeJi and point 3 a few times since about page 60ish and I still don't see how it relates to gameplay. To me it's to much of the persona from a personal perspective being allowed into a game to see any sexual or romance and that it's those sort of "I want it to be me" types of focus where as it should be "This is the cannon it is what it is."

Maybe I am stupid or maybe it's because english is not my mother tongue, but I don't understand what you are getting at. Default MShep can be considered as canon if you want, and if BW decides to use him as a franchise for a movie or something, I have no problem with it (and it that case I hope they will let Blur studios handle it since I was very impressed with their teasers). However, in the case of a RPG where the player can chose to play non-default, supposedly non-canon (by opposition, if you consider default M-Shep to be canon, then all the others cannot be) FemShep, with three different backgrounds, all of them as canon as the others, should indicate that the whole discussion of what is canon and what is not is a bit silly.
For some players it might be "I want it to be me" type of focus, for others it's just a case of "I want the option to be there" (the reason behind this is irrelevant since it can range from "I want more immersion" to "I wouldn't do it, but I think it's fair and more options=more fun"). Adding a S/S romance is an opportunity to add options for players and I don't see how it is less gameplay related than, say, deciding to kill the Rachni queen or not or adding some new heavy weapon.

[The Uncanny]

Ryzaki wrote...

Personally I want there to be friendship paths like DA and not this: "I'm not going to talk to you anymore because you don't want to have sex with me!" nonsense. <_<  I shouldn't have to bang Jack to help her realize people would like her for more than just her body.

Seriously this.

Having now sat through the 'girl's club' speech on numerous playthroughs, I find myself longing for an option to grab her, shake her and yell "Even if you're not interested you can still talk to me!"

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Fade9wayz wrote...

mrfoo1 wrote...
I disagree with this. Character development in a game with as open ended character progression as Bioware allows in ME and others to be should not be representative of sexual orientation of the players character. So if you don't mind could you elaborate more on this. I have read the FAQ post from DaeJi and point 3 a few times since about page 60ish and I still don't see how it relates to gameplay. To me it's to much of the persona from a personal perspective being allowed into a game to see any sexual or romance and that it's those sort of "I want it to be me" types of focus where as it should be "This is the cannon it is what it is."

Maybe I am stupid or maybe it's because english is not my mother tongue, but I don't understand what you are getting at. Default MShep can be considered as canon if you want, and if BW decides to use him as a franchise for a movie or something, I have no problem with it (and it that case I hope they will let Blur studios handle it since I was very impressed with their teasers). However, in the case of a RPG where the player can chose to play non-default, supposedly non-canon (by opposition, if you consider default M-Shep to be canon, then all the others cannot be) FemShep, with three different backgrounds, all of them as canon as the others, should indicate that the whole discussion of what is canon and what is not is a bit silly.
For some players it might be "I want it to be me" type of focus, for others it's just a case of "I want the option to be there" (the reason behind this is irrelevant since it can range from "I want more immersion" to "I wouldn't do it, but I think it's fair and more options=more fun"). Adding a S/S romance is an opportunity to add options for players and I don't see how it is less gameplay related than, say, deciding to kill the Rachni queen or not or adding some new heavy weapon.

This.

Outside of 'badass human space marine,' there isn't really a 'canon' Shepard. There could have been - Bioware could have opted to create a character from the ground up that anyone playing ME would have to use. They didn't. Appearance, sex, background, and behaviour are all customisable by the player - including not just how Shepard acts in combat, but outside of it as well.

As soon as that comes into play, it can be about 'I want it to be me' - certainly there are people who enjoy seeing some of their own characteristics and qualities reflected in the protagonist. It can also be about 'What happens if we do it this way,' for people who enjoy seeing how different choices affect how the game unfolds. The character interaction, including romance, is part of that.

mrfoo1 wrote...
I disagree with this. Character development
in a game with as open ended character progression as Bioware allows in
ME and others to be should not be representative of sexual orientation of the players character.

This, to me, is a separate issue and question. Why shouldn't the sexual orientation of the player have an impact on the kinds of choices the character is allowed to make in the game? It often already does, if you're a heterosexual male - there's rarely controversy about including female LIs so a male protagonist can enter a relationship in-game, if PC/NPC interaction and romance are part of the gameplay. Bioware's been pretty good about including male options for female protagonists as well, and that's gotten more common as marketing staff and devs understand that women buy video games, too.

What I'd argue is that there's no reason the interests of gay men and women should not be taken into account also. In truth, Bioware has done this in the past in at least 3 of their titles. What it amounts to is additonal ways to have the game play out - whether you'd like to see yourself in the character, or are interested in seeing how different options affect the game.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 23 mars 2010 - 07:38 .

[Mimaiselphenai]

The Uncanny wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Personally I want there to be friendship paths like DA and not this: "I'm not going to talk to you anymore because you don't want to have sex with me!" nonsense. <_<  I shouldn't have to bang Jack to help her realize people would like her for more than just her body.

Seriously this.

Having now sat through the 'girl's club' speech on numerous playthroughs, I find myself longing for an option to grab her, shake her and yell "Even if you're not interested you can still talk to me!"

Yup. I just went down to visit my squad members in the Normandy last night after a mission. Everyone had something new to talk about (even GRUNT) except for Tali. It's like she's completely absorbed into "cleaning the engines" until someone with a penis struts in and flirts with her before she'll engage in conversation again.

[catabuca]

Ryzaki wrote...


Also: colored text ftw. No more ninja romances! Even if you guys at BW don't place in s/s romances please, please, please! Give us colored text romance options! (even if its for one line to start the romance and turns off after the romance has been started).

I'm still against the coloured text thing. There is no coloured text in real life - you work with what you're given. Someone can ninja you irl. Having to sit and think carefully what might happen if I clicked any of the 4 options in DA:O was thrilling, nervewracking, and part of the fun. I agree that some might have been annoyed by the way they were ninja'd, but that's something to be addressed through better writing and implementation, not through coloured text that spoonfeeds you or holds your hand through all the options.

In ME2, the romance options are handled badly, there's no disagreement there. The femShep/Jacob example is clear, as is the way everything grinds to a halt if you don't want to jump someone's bones. However, again, that's something to be addressed through better writing and implementation, not through coloured text. We already have top = paragon, bottom = renegade and right = brings convo to a conclusion, left = carries on convo (although as a side point I thought this wasn't implemented as consistently in ME2 as it was in ME1), we don't need any more hand holding.

The system needs to encourage players to think seriously about the conversational (and other) choices they make, and part of that is not necessarily knowing what the outcome of those choices will be.

Anyway, regardless, I'm glad to see this thread going strong. Viva discussion

[Lightice_av]

Yup. I just went down to visit my squad members in the Normandy last night after a mission. Everyone had something new to talk about (even GRUNT) except for Tali.

Didn't Tali have a comment like most people on board? It's Jack who doesn't even acknowledge that the final mission is over and done.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Lightice_av wrote...

Yup. I just went down to visit my squad members in the Normandy last night after a mission. Everyone had something new to talk about (even GRUNT) except for Tali.

Didn't Tali have a comment like most people on board? It's Jack who doesn't even acknowledge that the final mission is over and done.

I dunno. All I know is at my current point in the game, everyone has something to say 'cept for Tali. She seemed to stop talking at the verge of where her romance option start to surface. I haven't played through the game yet, though.

[Ryzaki]

catabuca wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


Also: colored text ftw. No more ninja romances! Even if you guys at BW don't place in s/s romances please, please, please! Give us colored text romance options! (even if its for one line to start the romance and turns off after the romance has been started).

I'm still against the coloured text thing. There is no coloured text in real life - you work with what you're given. Someone can ninja you irl. Having to sit and think carefully what might happen if I clicked any of the 4 options in DA:O was thrilling, nervewracking, and part of the fun. I agree that some might have been annoyed by the way they were ninja'd, but that's something to be addressed through better writing and implementation, not through coloured text that spoonfeeds you or holds your hand through all the options.

In ME2, the romance options are handled badly, there's no disagreement there. The femShep/Jacob example is clear, as is the way everything grinds to a halt if you don't want to jump someone's bones. However, again, that's something to be addressed through better writing and implementation, not through coloured text. We already have top = paragon, bottom = renegade and right = brings convo to a conclusion, left = carries on convo (although as a side point I thought this wasn't implemented as consistently in ME2 as it was in ME1), we don't need any more hand holding.

The system needs to encourage players to think seriously about the conversational (and other) choices they make, and part of that is not necessarily knowing what the outcome of those choices will be.

Anyway, regardless, I'm glad to see this thread going strong. Viva discussion

Hm...still maybe an option to turn off colored text in the options menu for those like you that don't want it? I really don't want to end up with another "teh priiize" moment. Or FemShep leering at Jacob. I really, really, don't.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2010 - 08:46 .

[jlb524]

Lightice_av wrote...

Yup. I just went down to visit my squad members in the Normandy last night after a mission. Everyone had something new to talk about (even GRUNT) except for Tali.

Didn't Tali have a comment like most people on board? It's Jack who doesn't even acknowledge that the final mission is over and done.

Right, Jack doesn't acknowledge the suicide mission unless you are a dude and are romancing her (maybe even if you are not, I'm not sure).  If you are female, she stops talking to you period after you help her with the suicide mission and she gives you the 'girl's club' spiel.  She's like, 'Ewww, girls... get away from me Shepard!!!!'

[The Angry One]

jlb524 wrote...

Right, Jack doesn't acknowledge the suicide mission unless you are a dude and are romancing her (maybe even if you are not, I'm not sure).  If you are female, she stops talking to you period after you help her with the suicide mission and she gives you the 'girl's club' spiel.  She's like, 'Ewww, girls... get away from me Shepard!!!!'

Ironic considering the same VA voiced Juhani, who was a lesbian.
Maybe BioWare are trying to be funny?

[jlb524]

The Angry One wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Right, Jack doesn't acknowledge the suicide mission unless you are a dude and are romancing her (maybe even if you are not, I'm not sure).  If you are female, she stops talking to you period after you help her with the suicide mission and she gives you the 'girl's club' spiel.  She's like, 'Ewww, girls... get away from me Shepard!!!!'

Ironic considering the same VA voiced Juhani, who was a lesbian.
Maybe BioWare are trying to be funny?

Maybe...but I'm not laughing      <_<