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[D.I.Y_Death]

As long as we are given an option to turn down sexual advances in ME3 from unwanted sources I honestly couldn't care less if there is homosexual relationships included.



Not sure why anyone would make a big deal about a feature they don't have to use either. It's not like anyone is forcing them to have a homosexual character.

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

Joker has no romance whatsoever, so it's not the same as the love interests we already have. I couldn't care less if Joker is a romance option in ME3, all I'm saying is that Joker doesn't particularly make sense for or against M/M. I'd actually think it'd be interesting if he was an M/M option considering.

[Blackveldt]

Just thought I would add this for anyone interested:



Putting the Gay in Games: Cultural Production and GLBT Content in Video Games, Shaw, A., 2009.



Abstract: This article addresses gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender (GLBT) representation in video games from a cultural production perspective. It addresses how members of the video game industry account for the relative lack of GLBT representation in this medium. Previous studies have shown that certain stakeholders actively invest in GLBT representation in media. Factors in the inclusion of GLBT content include (a) the presence of motivated producers in the industry, those that are personally, politically, or commercially interested in GLBT content; ( how the audience for a text or medium is constructed; © what the public backlash from both the GLBT community and conservative groups will be, as well as industry-based reprisals in the form of censorship or ratings; (d) the structure of the industry and how it is funded; and (e) how homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgender identities can be represented in the medium. (PsycINFO Database Record © 2009 APA, all rights reserved)



If the link doesn't work for (because I'm not sure if access is available to everyone, just message me and since I do have access, I can send a PDF version.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Joker has no romance whatsoever, so it's not the same as the love interests we already have. I couldn't care less if Joker is a romance option in ME3, all I'm saying is that Joker doesn't particularly make sense for or against M/M. I'd actually think it'd be interesting if he was an M/M option considering.

*shrugs* I was referring to the bond that he and Shep (regardless of gender) share. 

...I actually wouldn't even care if he was just a M/F romance option. I have faith that BW could pull it off very nicely.

Edit: Plus its Seth Green. Just imagine the hilarity that would be the romance dialogue. And the sex scene would be priceless.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 01:31 .

[Grawl]

Ryzaki wrote...


But yeah any male same sex LI would be Bi. I doubt they'd ever be just gay.

Ahhhhh..... I hope you can do awkward love triangles with that Imagine the possibilities

[Mimaiselphenai]

Blackveldt wrote...

And I wasn't talking of your personal view.  You do not need one to express a view or statement.  You are arguing for a particular viewpoint; that it is not yours is irrelevant.  When I mentioned make-up, I was in essence providing a potential supporting idea for the very viewpoint for which you were arguing, yet it was not my personal view.  I also never stated you needed to be "justified" (and using quotes implies that I said that--or typed, rather--verbatim).  Justification implies the role of morality.  I think you mean rationalization, which is the provision of logical reasoning and conclusions.

Like I said in my response to your post, it wasn't solely directed at you, but more blanketed at everyone. The "justification" bit was in response to Collider, not you. I just got tired of quoting everyone when I was back and forth between the computer and other things even though I was afraid it would get confusing in discussions like this.

Which is why I responded in the first place.  You opened up a discussion to refute your conclusion.  In my case, your methodology (i.e., "observations"), which are invalid.

It was my opinion that I did not like your rather undefined statement from a scientific/empirical stance.  It is not opinion that your methodology is illogical; it is a fallacy.

There's nothing to refute. My observations are my own. it was never my
intention to open a debate of whether or not said observations are
"correct." If you think I'm wrong, so be it. Collider stated, and I quote, "it's an important note however that for some stupid reason, lesbians are more tolerated than males in western culture." I was just offering my opinion on the matter,  and it d/evolved into all of this.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

As long as we are given an option to turn down sexual advances in ME3 from unwanted sources I honestly couldn't care less if there is homosexual relationships included.

Not sure why anyone would make a big deal about a feature they don't have to use either. It's not like anyone is forcing them to have a homosexual character.

I think that is very reasonable. Why I'm for same-sex relationships I think gamers who don't want to play shouldn't be forced to play a gay/lesbian Shepard. Now I know in real life human sexuality can be a very complex and confusing thing to some people, but this isn't real life it's a video game. Now I personally want most of my female Shepards to be lesbians. That doesn't mean I don't them to be denied the option of having a relationship with Kaiden, Jacob, Garrus, or Thane. I would rather have the choice of having my femSheps having a relationship with Liara, Samara, Tali, or Kelly. 

It would in my honest opinion give Mass Effect 2 more replayability value as a whole to see how different relationships play out.  

But that's just my 2 cents.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 24 mars 2010 - 01:34 .

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

As long as we are given an option to turn down sexual advances in ME3 from unwanted sources I honestly couldn't care less if there is homosexual relationships included.

Not sure why anyone would make a big deal about a feature they don't have to use either. It's not like anyone is forcing them to have a homosexual character.

Well this is part of the discussion.  I would prefer game settings or dialog options.
Others want to leave it up to the writing.  I don't trust the writers a whole lot right now.(no offense Bioware)
I don't want to get ninja(d).  I never heard the word ninja being used in this manner till today.

Simple solution. Have same sex romances be completely player initiated, members of the same sex do not flirt with Shepard unless Shepard displays interest first. A more transparent way would be to have bisexual romances do this regardless of what gender Shepard is.

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Collider wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

As long as we are given an option to turn down sexual advances in ME3 from unwanted sources I honestly couldn't care less if there is homosexual relationships included.

Not sure why anyone would make a big deal about a feature they don't have to use either. It's not like anyone is forcing them to have a homosexual character.

Well this is part of the discussion.  I would prefer game settings or dialog options.
Others want to leave it up to the writing.  I don't trust the writers a whole lot right now.(no offense Bioware)
I don't want to get ninja(d).  I never heard the word ninja being used in this manner till today.

Simple solution. Have same sex romances be completely player initiated, members of the same sex do not flirt with Shepard unless Shepard displays interest first. A more transparent way would be to have bisexual romances do this regardless of what gender Shepard is.

We need to define and specify what the word interest is.  Through obvious dialog wheel options made by the player?

Indeed. "I want to be more than friends." Something like that. Shepard does not to say it so blatantly, but the romance can begin from there.

[Collider]

The sad thing is, I have this sneaking suspicion that a few people would look at that option and go " Great, we can be best friends!" and not know it's romance :l

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Collider wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

As long as we are given an option to turn down sexual advances in ME3 from unwanted sources I honestly couldn't care less if there is homosexual relationships included.

Not sure why anyone would make a big deal about a feature they don't have to use either. It's not like anyone is forcing them to have a homosexual character.

Well this is part of the discussion.  I would prefer game settings or dialog options.
Others want to leave it up to the writing.  I don't trust the writers a whole lot right now.(no offense Bioware)
I don't want to get ninja(d).  I never heard the word ninja being used in this manner till today.

Simple solution. Have same sex romances be completely player initiated, members of the same sex do not flirt with Shepard unless Shepard displays interest first. A more transparent way would be to have bisexual romances do this regardless of what gender Shepard is.

This could work. As long as you aren't required to shoot down all the hetero LIs before you even get the option; most annoying part of the JE Sky LI, IMO.

[Collider]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Collider wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

As long as we are given an option to turn down sexual advances in ME3 from unwanted sources I honestly couldn't care less if there is homosexual relationships included.

Not sure why anyone would make a big deal about a feature they don't have to use either. It's not like anyone is forcing them to have a homosexual character.

Well this is part of the discussion.  I would prefer game settings or dialog options.
Others want to leave it up to the writing.  I don't trust the writers a whole lot right now.(no offense Bioware)
I don't want to get ninja(d).  I never heard the word ninja being used in this manner till today.

Simple solution. Have same sex romances be completely player initiated, members of the same sex do not flirt with Shepard unless Shepard displays interest first. A more transparent way would be to have bisexual romances do this regardless of what gender Shepard is.

This could work. As long as you aren't required to shoot down all the hetero LIs before you even get the option; most annoying part of the JE Sky LI, IMO.

I agree. I read that you basically had to be a jerk to those women before you could get with Sky, which is the wrong approach. Though I don't suspect that it will be like that at all in ME3.

[Collider]

Well it's very blatant, but Bioware could always go with "I'm interested in you romantically." Beyond people who have trouble with the english langauge, there's no misinterpreting that.

[D.I.Y_Death]

Collider wrote...

The sad thing is, I have this sneaking suspicion that a few people would look at that option and go ":D Great, we can be best friends!" and not know it's romance :l

I could see that too with BioWare's loose wording. Hell, ME2 was nearly impossible to not cheat even while being faithful. I had to not talk to Kelly out of fear I'd end up romancing her.

As long as they make the wording very clear though, this shouldn't be an issue...unlless BioWare screws up or mentally challenged kids start playing the ME series.

[Blackveldt]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...
Like I said in my response to your post, it wasn't solely directed at you, but more blanketed at everyone. The "justification" bit was in response to Collider, not you. I just got tired of quoting everyone when I was back and forth between the computer and other things even though I was afraid it would get confusing in discussions like this.

I know this; I would have responded regardless.

There's nothing to refute. My observations are my own. it was never my
intention to open a debate of whether or not said observations are
"correct." If you think I'm wrong, so be it. Collider stated, and I quote, "it's an important note however that for some stupid reason, lesbians are more tolerated than males in western culture." I was just offering my opinion on the matter,  and it d/evolved into all of this.

Lol.  Okay, you stated:  women are more aesthetically pleasing than men because that's what most people believe.  This whole statement is refutable because you provide no operational definition and have no way of knowing what most people believe.  The most you can say is "from the people I have talked to and from what I have read of a few biased and select opinions' online, I have come to the conclusion that women are more aesthetically pleasing than men as a whole."  Even if this were the case, I still refute it because it is invalid and fallacious.  It is not necessarily your actual observations I am refuting, but your methodology, as I have previously stated boldly (literally).

I responded because I found your opinion interesting and merely wanted you to expand upon the matter.  If you don't wish to, then I understand.

[Collider]

If I had to hazard a guess, why lesbians are more tolerated has to do with male rivalry and aggression. Males in general may be less tolerant. Of course, all subjective...just a thought.

[xXxTychoxXx]

Who the **** cares?

The fact is that the majority of people in this world are "heterosexual" and there by actually PROPAGATE THE SPECIES.

Screw "political correctness" just to accommodate "gays" "bisexuals" and "trans-gender".

[Ryzaki]

I wonder why people keep harping on about reproduction when in these days people are having less children?

Its mindboggling.

What's next? Banning birth control pills? * killing everyone who's sterile? Killing all those who have diseases that can be passed on to the youth?  Oh noes! Reproduction is the only thing that matters! NM the fact that they're far to many people on this planet already.

Anyways. I wonder how Hendel would even fit into Shepard's story? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 02:01 .