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#3801
brzozowski4

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Collider wrote...

brzozowski4 wrote...

I am still confused as to why the majority of the community sees homosexuals as lacking the ability to reproduce. I don't think it has ever been set in stone that any person must bear children with his or her lover (or whatever you want to call it). Creating offspring involves a fertile man's sperm and a fertile woman's egg, not a fertile heterosexual man's sperm and a fertile heterosexual woman's egg. Just because it has always been tradition that people in a relationship reproduce together, does not limit reproduction to that situation.

The fact that homosexual men are well, homosexual. Not attracted to females. And probably would not have sex with females if they can get help it. Although I share some of your sentiment.


Since when is sex absolutely necessary to reproduce?  The physical act is not needed, just the joining of a sperm and an egg.

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Ryzaki wrote...

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Ryzaki wrote...

I'm sorry you've seen these things. But generally, I see society and humanity becoming more and more generous. It's certainly better than the mongols running around raping and pillaging.


The only thing in my experience is that the raping and pillaging now goes behind closed doors and no one says a word. <_<

Anyways more pleasnant and on topic topics: Woo's words made me think that maybe there won't be s/s in Mass Effect but in future games? 

Most likely DA2 if there's no m/m in da2 I will cry like a newborn baby. :(

And no assassin sleazy elves next time please BioWare? :innocent: A sexy templar would be nice.


I'd be very sad lol, Mass Effect is the only bioware title i've really been interested in enough to buy, idk if i'll continue to buy BW games after ME concludes :mellow:

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Collider wrote...

We have policing.


I'm sorry but I can only laugh at that. Yes I'm a jaded person. Cops don't help.  Some may be able to get help but most can't. And ra forbid you be the wrong race. <_< You'd be lucky not to be hurt yourself. Or heck they'll let the guy out with a warning because most of the people I know can't afford lawyers. And a battered wife isn't likely to go to the police in the first place.

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I'd be very sad lol, Mass Effect is
the only bioware title i've really been interested in enough to buy, idk
if i'll continue to buy BW games after ME concludes [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]


Did
you try DA? At all? Give
it a try! Even if you have to rent it! It's totally worth it! ^_^

Combat
takes some getting used to but the storyline is awesome!

Even if
the protagonist is mute (then again this is a plus for me)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 02:45 .


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Collider wrote...

We have policing.


Corrupt police are often the ones who rape and pillage. Or not. Now I'm just bull****ting.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I'm sorry you've seen these things. But generally, I see society and humanity becoming more and more generous. It's certainly better than the mongols running around raping and pillaging.


Raping and pillaging still takes place in modern society. Just in more subtle forms. =P

We have policing.


I'm sorry but I can only laugh at that. Yes I'm a jaded person. Cops don't help.  Some may be able to get help but most can't. And ra forbid you be the wrong race. <_< You'd be lucky not to be hurt yourself.

That's really insulting. Most police men are good people, only the bad ones get attention.

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Collider wrote...

That's really insulting. Most police men are good people, only the bad ones get attention.


Very true. Nobody gets noticed for doing their job the way they're supposed to.

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We have the right to bear arms where I come from.

I can defend myself.

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Collider wrote...

That's really insulting. Most police men are good people, only the bad ones get attention.


Yeah well I've been manhandled by several police and called a n**** to my face and unable to say anything. Couldn't even press charges. So yeah. I found that insulting. Couldn't do jacksquat about it though.

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Collider wrote...

That's really insulting. Most police men are good people, only the bad ones get attention.


Agreed... You mostly only hear bad news about a profession most of the time in the news.

(Isn't it a bit out of context O.o)

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Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

That's really insulting. Most police men are good people, only the bad ones get attention.


Yeah well I've been manhandled by several police and called a n**** to my face and unable to say anything. Couldn't even press charges. So yeah. I found that insulting. Couldn't do jacksquat about it though.

Depends where you live. In other parts of the U.S. stuff like that is much less common.

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Police are and should be held to a higher standard IMO.

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We have the right to bear arms where I come from.
I can defend myself.


I have the right but due to good old New York BS gun control laws the only way to legally obtain a firearm is by jumping through a whole lot of hoops. And even then there's only a slim chance I'll be able to legally obtain a firearm. (Amusingly enough it wouldn't be overly difficult to get an illegal one though. Yay gun control laws that don't do squat!) 

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider
wrote...

That's really insulting. Most police men are good
people, only the bad ones get attention.


Yeah
well I've been manhandled by several police and called a n**** to my
face and unable to say anything. Couldn't even press charges. So yeah.
I found that insulting. Couldn't do jacksquat about it though.

Depends
where you live. In other parts of the U.S. stuff like that is much less
common.


Yes "parts" being
the key word. *shrugs* Oh well. My experience with cops isn't likely to
leave me able to trust one (doesn't help that whenever I see one I tend to walk as
quickly past as I can without seeming
suspicious.)

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#3813
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Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

We have policing.


I'm sorry but I can only laugh at that. Yes I'm a jaded person. Cops don't help.  Some may be able to get help but most can't. And ra forbid you be the wrong race. <_< You'd be lucky not to be hurt yourself. Or heck they'll let the guy out with a warning because most of the people I know can't afford lawyers. And a battered wife isn't likely to go to the police in the first place.

FataliTensei wrote...

I'd be very sad lol, Mass Effect is
the only bioware title i've really been interested in enough to buy, idk
if i'll continue to buy BW games after ME concludes [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]


Did
you try DA? At all? Give
it a try! Even if you have to rent it! It's totally worth it! ^_^

Combat
takes some getting used to but the storyline is awesome!

Even if
the protagonist is mute (then again this is a plus for me)



i guess i could give it another try, i played it for a bit at a friends house and didn't really like it that much though, then again i was in bad mood that day so that might have contributed

well and it's not just the ldouble standard on romances that make me not want to, the whole "let's forget about the fans of the frist game and pander to the "boom headshot" crowd" when they were making the second game and that pissed me off soooooo much, but that's not for this thread :whistle:

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Police are and should be held to a higher standard IMO.


This. I'm sorry but they should undergo psychological profiling every 3 months. Very strict and be rotated far more often than they are now.

The same goes for prison guards.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 02:51 .


#3816
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Edit: This is no where near ME related. Oops. :whistle:

Um...MShep x Kaidan group in my siggy! Needs moar members! 

And I wonder how Joker would act in a relationship with DudeShep anyways. :?

Would he approach Shep first? Would Shep need to approach him? Would he try to give Shep hints? Or just act aloof and throw jokes in Shep's direction?

I could see some slightly suggestive jokes being thrown in DudeShep's way. ^_^

The bloodbath ending in ME2 is very sad with the moment between Joker and Shep. I'll admit it I teared up. :crying:

"Don't leave me again Shepard!"

...I'm sorry Joker...I'm sorry! :crying:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 03:00 .


#3817
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Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Police are and should be held to a higher standard IMO.


This. I'm sorry but they should undergo psychological profiling every 3 months. Very strict and be rotated far more often than they are now.

The same goes for prison guards.


Remember we gotta make sure it stays mass effect related in general, i'd hate for us to come this far and then get locked for getting off topic

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Yeah I kinda drifted away there.

#3819
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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Yeah I kinda drifted away there.


It's just for fear of getting locked that i say anything, otherwise you two have a very good conversation going on:P

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FataliTensei wrote...

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@Blackveldt
That was interesting, but not surprising. Reading what you provided, tends to narrow the possibility of s/s romance in ME3 in reality IMO.


The summary black gave was indeed interesting


The entire article is pretty interesting, but it's also pretty lengthy as it covers a lot of points and material.  I don't necessarily seeing Bioware having s/s romance in ME3, but have not ruled the possibility.  Anyway, it just goes to show that there are a lot of things Bioware has to actually consider.  But, as the article (and other citations) have stated, the individual can bring about change, so a topic like this is encouraging.

Ryzaki wrote...

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Oh,
no. It's true on at least some level. I'm just saying that most people
with half a brain can recognize it without being told. I think it's
pretty obvious that evil outweighs good. Or maybe power outweighs lack
of power, and evil people have all the power. Or maybe power corrupts,
so in essence, power is evil. Or maybe power is just money, and money is
the root of all evil. But who created the concept of currency? Humans.
Therefore, humans are inherently evil, because we planted the root of
all evil. Unless evil aliens landed on Earth and gave primitive humans
the concept of currency inplace of barter, in which case we're simply
foolish victims. Nah, we're evil. Humans are definitely evil.


I
don't think humans are evil per sa as much as mostly apathetic and
selfish. It gives the illusion of evil with out any actual malevolent
intent.

And the apathy and selfishness increase as power and
wealth increase until it either becomes selfishness to the suffering of
those around you.


One thing to watch out for:  causation fallacy (correlation does not imply causation).  But now we're getting into a more philosophical debate than anything.  Mimaiselphenai states that "humans are inherently evil," which is based on the theory of Original Sin--we are all born with sin; it is a theological (Christian) outlook.

Of course, there's also Tabula Rasa, which literally means "blank slate" in Latin.  It states that all humans are born 'blank' and that we are shaped through our surroundings, experiences, etc.

This has obviously been a long-time debate:  mankind's nature.  Look up John Locke (men born good) and Thomas Hobbes (men born evil).

It's important to note the multitude of variables to consider as well as the technologies that have evolved in the last century alone (I mention this specifically in regards to child psychology and cognitive development; the frontal lobe and amygdala are of particular relevance imo).

Btw, how the heck do we keep getting off-topic?

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#3821
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One thing to watch out for:  causation fallacy (correlation does not imply causation).  But now we're getting into a more philosophical debate than anything.  Mimaiselphenai states that "humans are inherently evil," which is based on the theory of Original Sin--we are all born with sin; it is a theological (Christian) outlook.

Of course, there's also Tabula Rasa, which literally means "blank slate" in Latin.  It states that all humans are born 'blank' and that we are shaped through our surroundings, experiences, etc.

This has obviously been a long-time debate:  mankind's nature.  Look up John Locke (men born good) and Thomas Hobbes (men born evil).

It's important to note the multitude of variables to consider as well as the technologies that have evolved in the last century alone (I mention this specifically in regards to child psychology and cognitive development; the frontal lobe and amygdala are of particular relevance imo).

Btw, how the heck do we keep getting off-topic?


We can't resist. :innocent: Its the call.

But...I can't find any good DudeShepxJoker art. :( It makes me sad.

#3822
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People are not born good or evil. I don't know how you could accuse an infant of being evil. Sure, they are mentally and morally immature, but genuine evil must have consciousness to it - nature may be terrible and deadly but it is not evil.

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brzozowski4 wrote...

Collider wrote...

brzozowski4 wrote...

I am still confused as to why the majority of the community sees homosexuals as lacking the ability to reproduce. I don't think it has ever been set in stone that any person must bear children with his or her lover (or whatever you want to call it). Creating offspring involves a fertile man's sperm and a fertile woman's egg, not a fertile heterosexual man's sperm and a fertile heterosexual woman's egg. Just because it has always been tradition that people in a relationship reproduce together, does not limit reproduction to that situation.

The fact that homosexual men are well, homosexual. Not attracted to females. And probably would not have sex with females if they can get help it. Although I share some of your sentiment.

Since when is sex absolutely necessary to reproduce?  The physical act is not needed, just the joining of a sperm and an egg.

In many countries, artificial insemination is both rare and too costly. For most of human history we had nothing of the sort.

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I support additional same sex romance content options in the ME universe.



:)

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Collider wrote...

People are not born good or evil. I don't know how you could accuse an infant of being evil. Sure, they are mentally and morally immature, but genuine evil must have consciousness to it - nature may be terrible and deadly but it is not evil.

Damien from The Omen was.:P