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[Collider]

Getting into spirituality can be rather treacherous sometimes, but I liked that you could tell Ashley your stance on it. That itself is rather unique for an RPG.

[NickBurnside]

Collider wrote...

Getting into spirituality can be rather treacherous sometimes, but I liked that you could tell Ashley your stance on it. That itself is rather unique for an RPG.

treacherous? how so?
I mean I dont think they should put in different religions
but maybe expand on the faith thing a bit

[xDarkicex]

Confused I am, what is the problem with adding Bi characters, as long as they make some strictly straight and only have them bring in there sexuality after you make a few passes at them I don't see the problem, If you are really role playing you shouldn't know that they are bi because you wouldn't take other playthroughs into account.

[Gemini1179]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

NickBurnside wrote...

Well I just dont see the point
ITs kinda like in movies where they just put content in that pushes the limits or whatever
If its going to happen Id rather they just put a gay character in because I feel bi-sexuality (if thats how youd say it) is much more of just a physical pleasure seeking lifestyle, which is not something that would help to further mankind

Im also putting my spiritual feelings about homosexuality aside here because opinions coming from that source seem to always end in conflict

also I really mean no disrespect to anyone coming from that background or are in favor of this as an addition in ME3

I don't think people are simply asking for a bi-sexual character. That's more a "kill 2 birds with one stone" solution.

The issue for a lot of people stems from the claim that this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME, and for some, their character is gay, and yet they do not have the option to explore that while people playing has heterosexual characters and even to a lesser extent as a lesbian character can.

It is simply a fairness issue, IMO. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. That's the beauty of OPTIONS- you don't have to partake if you don't wish to.

Thats a little fallic don't you think?

Not sure what exactly you mean by this or if it was even aimed at me.

If the character was bi then both male and female representation of the gay community could be more easily represented. Overall it would make it far more easy to implement a character that can be used for gay/hetero romance. The only thing required would be a single blattant conversational option that would initiate the romance. Covers all groups.

While true, and we've seen it in DAO, I don't think this needs to be the only solution- and I think this is what others have been getting at. I am not opposed to a fully gay or lesbian character in the game if BW is willing to do it. If bi-characters like Zevran and Lelianna are the simplest solution, so be it as well, I don't have an issue with it.

[xDarkicex]

I think most straight people where happy with the ability to pretty much tell off zevran for hitting on you if you would like to so why not have the same ability in ME like be able to say IF you ever Ht on me again, so help me or be able to kill them or kick them off the team then straight people happy gay people happy

[Collider]

NickBurnside wrote...

Collider wrote...

Getting into spirituality can be rather treacherous sometimes, but I liked that you could tell Ashley your stance on it. That itself is rather unique for an RPG.

treacherous?

dangerous. It's a touchy issue as you might imagine. DA:O got away with it with the Maker.

I mean I dont think they should put in different religions
but maybe expand on the faith thing a bit

sure, why not.

[NickBurnside]

Collider wrote...

NickBurnside wrote...

Collider wrote...

Getting into spirituality can be rather treacherous sometimes, but I liked that you could tell Ashley your stance on it. That itself is rather unique for an RPG.

treacherous?

dangerous. It's a touchy issue as you might imagine. DA:O got away with it with the Maker.

I mean I dont think they should put in different religions
but maybe expand on the faith thing a bit

sure, why not.

Yeah I could see it as being touchy
but not much more that homosexuality can be

[Images]

SirGladiator wrote...

 We don't know that Jack is bisexual, actually some people interpret "girl's club" as saying she's not into girls. There's no reason for Jack to be bisexual yet reject femshep.

Well we know that Jack had a prolonged and sexual relationship with a male/female couple she ran with for a while. She specifically says THEIR bed. She's at least experimented a bit on that front so her bisexuality if not likely is a strong possibility. The girl's club comment doesn't really have any sexual context to it to act as a denial of that. Jack just isn't the type to share, care and braid hair with other gals.

Modifié par Images, 24 mars 2010 - 06:04 .

[Images]

NickBurnside wrote...

Collider wrote...

NickBurnside wrote...

Collider wrote...

Getting into spirituality can be rather treacherous sometimes, but I liked that you could tell Ashley your stance on it. That itself is rather unique for an RPG.

treacherous?

dangerous. It's a touchy issue as you might imagine. DA:O got away with it with the Maker.

I mean I dont think they should put in different religions
but maybe expand on the faith thing a bit

sure, why not.

Yeah I could see it as being touchy
but not much more that homosexuality can be

I'd like to see religion and spirituality discussed in ME more too. Hell even Star Wars had believers and non believers in the force. I'd hoped that convo with Ash would be expanded on. Perhaps a new topic should be stated for that?

[Collider]

Why not, it would be more relevant there.

[Collider]

Images wrote...
Well we know that Jack had a prolonged and sexual relationship with a male/female couple she ran with for a while. She specifically says THEIR bed. She's at least experimented a bit on that front so her bisexuality if not likely is a strong possibility. The girl's club comment doesn't really have any sexual context to it to act as a denial of that. Jack just isn't the type to share, care and braid hair with other gals.

See, if Jack was bisexual, why does she reject femshep yet can sleep with mshep? Jack even says that she has never had boyfriends or girlfriends. She was used by that male/female couple, I imagine that Jack was experimenting - after all this was one of if not the first time she had companionship.

[Images]

Collider wrote...


See, if Jack was bisexual, why does she reject femshep yet can sleep with mshep? Jack even says that she has never had boyfriends or girlfriends. She was used by that male/female couple, I imagine that Jack was experimenting - after all this was one of if not the first time she had companionship.

I just think Jack may have gone off the ladies for a while thus the non-interest. Seen plenty of bi-girls and bi-guys in real life flip between favourites.
But one thing? The one or first time she had companionship? You've gotta be kidding me? Where do you get that idea from? She doesn't say anything like that. Just that they were the first people she thought she could depend on without messing her over. She wasn't a good girl even then since she did kill ém both before they could betray her properly. I think its pretty established she's had her share from both sides of the sex divide.

[Collider]

Images wrote...

Collider wrote...


See, if Jack was bisexual, why does she reject femshep yet can sleep with mshep? Jack even says that she has never had boyfriends or girlfriends. She was used by that male/female couple, I imagine that Jack was experimenting - after all this was one of if not the first time she had companionship.

I just think Jack may have gone off the ladies for a while thus the non-interest. Seen plenty of bi-girls and bi-guys in real life flip between favourites.

That may be observed in real life, but this is the video game Mass Effect. If Jack was genuinely bisexual I don't see why they would not make her romanceable by femsheps on the basis that she's taking a break or is in the mood for men.

But one thing? The one or first time she had companionship? You've gotta be kidding me? Where do you get that idea from? She doesn't say anything like that. Just that they were the first people she thought she could depend on without messing her over. She wasn't a good girl even then since she did kill ém both before they could betray her properly. I think its pretty established she's had her share from both sides of the sex divide.

I don't mean companionship as in just a human prescense. I mean something resembling a friend. She had very few of those. This is from fragmented knowledge from Jack, so I apologize if I'm wrong.

Modifié par Collider, 24 mars 2010 - 06:21 .

[Collider]

I highly dislike the idea of making every character bisexual. Let's have some diversity, most people in reality are not bisexual, most prefer the opposite sex. Just have new gay/bi characters in ME3 and everyone is happy.

[xDarkicex]

Collider wrote...

I highly dislike the idea of making every character bisexual. Let's have some diversity, most people in reality are not bisexual, most prefer the opposite sex. Just have new gay/bi characters in ME3 and everyone is happy.

I agree with this but I think you should be able to flirt with the straight squadmate and this would have then fight you diss like you loose loyalty or somethign else a long these lines

[Collider]

Uh, what?

[Weiser_Cain]

xDarkicex wrote...

Collider wrote...

I highly dislike the idea of making every character bisexual. Let's have some diversity, most people in reality are not bisexual, most prefer the opposite sex. Just have new gay/bi characters in ME3 and everyone is happy.

I agree with this but I think you should be able to flirt with the straight squadmate and this would have then fight you diss like you loose loyalty or somethign else a long these lines

And then I space their ass for butchering a sentence I mean overreacting.

[xDarkicex]

Like they don't like you any more or lose respect for you if you're gay, not every crew member of course but I would imagine Zaeed wouldn't be to pleased.

[Weiser_Cain]

xDarkicex wrote...

Like they don't like you any more or lose respect for you if you're gay, not every crew member of course but I would imagine Zaeed wouldn't be to pleased.

How do you know he isn't gay himself?

[xDarkicex]

The blatant not caring about peoples lives and just his whole demeanor really screams straight dude.

[xDarkicex]

I am sorry if my opinion offends you he just strongly reminds me of a racist sort of guy thats is all about being hardcore and crying is for sissy and that sort of munbo jumbo

[Ziggy]

 I think games like this are an excellent opportunity to expose people to a world free from sexism, racism, homophobia etc so they can learn how meaningless such prejudices are and how there's no need for any of it. 

These baseless, bigoted views are embedded in kids by their parents when they're too young to think for themselves and take what their parents say for granted.

An RPG should promote a world of tolerance and acceptance (while blowing stuff up and killing bad guys) because it can.

This is why I believe the mass effect universe should have gay/lesbian people in it . It may controversial and displease some people, but it is the right thing to do - for the sake those people it displeases as well.

Peace be with you.

[Lightice_av]

An RPG should promote a world of tolerance and acceptance (while blowing stuff up and killing bad guys) because it can.

I don't know about "should"; prejudices can also be studied by showing them in games, and dealing with them.

Still, the Mass Effect universe seems to have passed over traditional prejudices over entirely new ones, brought on by the contact with the alien species. There isn't a slightest hint of homophobia shown in Ascension towards Hendel Mitra, or in the games towards FemShep who takes interest in other ladies.

It would be nice if the game developers followed the standards of the world they are writing about, though...