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[Arik7]

Collider wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Collider wrote...

I highly dislike the idea of making every character bisexual. Let's have some diversity, most people in reality are not bisexual, most prefer the opposite sex. Just have new gay/bi characters in ME3 and everyone is happy.

See, I don't consider it as straight/gay/bisexual.

If they are romanceable by both genders, they are bisexual. Period. The problem with "Shepard and no one else" is that we have no indication of this with any LIs.

They are not bisexual, they are fictional.  A gay/bisexual hero could have a slightly different story, and possibly slightly different companions than a straight hero.  Players' enjoyement should be the overriding factor in these decisions. It's not a book, nor a movie.  The more customizations we are offered, the better.

Let's customize whether Saren is a hero or villain. Let's make the Reapers pacifist. You need some consistency and foundation for a story. And quite literally, if someone is attracted to both genders, they are bisexual. There's no arguing about that, obviously I'm aware that these characters are fictional, I don't need to be reminded. Part of MY enjoyment - and reasonably most people's - is seeing an intelligent, consistent storyline with consistent characters.

I'm sure players would welcome options to join Saren and to side with the Reapers.   But that would essentially require a new campaign and double the production costs.

If you want a consistent storyline with consistent characters read a book or watch a movie, as Mass Effect is not it.    The protagonist does not have a fixed name, gender or personality.  We don't know who survived Virmire, we don't know if humanity if a force of good or a self-centered power-hungry empire... etc...

[Mimaiselphenai]

I just meant I'm thinking you may not be able to see it the way I see it, or you do and completely disagree. In either case it'd probably be a waste of both our time to continue along this line. Well, that and I need to AFK. : P

[Ryzaki]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Shep's not distilled awesome.
Shep's a mega kill it with fire mega Sue/Stu. <_<
I'm half surprised Saren didn't want to bang Shep.
Seriously though I never thought I'd see the day there was a bigger Stu/Sue than Darth Revan. I was wrong.
Anyways. Everyone <3 Shep.
Yes even if they are straight/gay
It doesn't matter.
Shep is that much of a mega Stu.
So much a Stu that someone would leave their family behind just to follow Shep's awesomeness.
Would probably kill their babies if Shep told them so.

What is a Sue/Stu?

A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized
and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily
functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader.
Perhaps the single underlying feature of all characters described as
"Mary Sues" is that they are too ostentatious for the audience's taste,
or that the author seems to favor the character too highly. The author
may seem to push how exceptional and wonderful the "Mary Sue" character
is on his or her audience, sometimes leading the audience to dislike or
even resent the character fairly quickly; such a character could be
described as an "author's pet".
"Mary Sues" can be either male or female, but male characters are
often dubbed "Gary Stu", "Marty Stu", or similar names.[1]
While the label "Mary Sue" itself originates from a parody of this type
of character, most characters labeled "Mary Sues" by readers are not
intended by authors as such.
While the term is generally limited to fan-created characters, and
its most common usage today occurs within the fan fiction community or
in reference to fan fiction, original characters in role-playing games or literary canon are also sometimes criticized as being
"Mary Sues" or "canon Sues," if they dominate the spotlight or are too
unrealistic or unlikely in other ways. One example of this criticism is Wesley Crusher from Star Trek: The Next Generation.[2][3][4]


I ran Shep through the test.

It was a test from 0 - 50

Shep got a 51.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 08:48 .

[HedStr8EyesTite]

i just want to romance that cute little space hamster...

[Collider]

Arik7 wrote...
If you want a consistent storyline with consistent characters read a book or watch a movie, as Mass Effect is not it.    The protagonist does not have a fixed name, gender or personality.  We don't know who survived Virmire, we don't know if humanity if a force of good or a self-centered power-hungry empire... etc...

Uh, duh. I'm not talking Shepard and his decisions. I'm talking about the other characters. Outside of Shepard's decisions (STORYLINE WISE), everything is consistent.

[Ryzaki]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Ryzaki
Thank you

To be precise this was Shep: 50+

Kill it dead. Or make sure you read the instructions properly (some
people don't do this, which causes freakishly high scores) and take the
test again.

[Arik7]

Collider wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
If you want a consistent storyline with consistent characters read a book or watch a movie, as Mass Effect is not it.    The protagonist does not have a fixed name, gender or personality.  We don't know who survived Virmire, we don't know if humanity if a force of good or a self-centered power-hungry empire... etc...

Uh, duh. I'm not talking Shepard and his decisions. I'm talking about the other characters. Outside of Shepard's decisions (STORYLINE WISE), everything is consistent.

You can actually turn Kaidan into a racist renegade in ME1.  I've heard that is also possible with some other characters....

[Crazy_Cat_Lady]

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Shep's not distilled awesome.
Shep's a mega kill it with fire mega Sue/Stu. <_<
I'm half surprised Saren didn't want to bang Shep.
Seriously though I never thought I'd see the day there was a bigger Stu/Sue than Darth Revan. I was wrong.
Anyways. Everyone <3 Shep.
Yes even if they are straight/gay
It doesn't matter.
Shep is that much of a mega Stu.
So much a Stu that someone would leave their family behind just to follow Shep's awesomeness.
Would probably kill their babies if Shep told them so.

What is a Sue/Stu?

A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized
and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily
functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader.
Perhaps the single underlying feature of all characters described as
"Mary Sues" is that they are too ostentatious for the audience's taste,
or that the author seems to favor the character too highly. The author
may seem to push how exceptional and wonderful the "Mary Sue" character
is on his or her audience, sometimes leading the audience to dislike or
even resent the character fairly quickly; such a character could be
described as an "author's pet".
"Mary Sues" can be either male or female, but male characters are
often dubbed "Gary Stu", "Marty Stu", or similar names.[1]
While the label "Mary Sue" itself originates from a parody of this type
of character, most characters labeled "Mary Sues" by readers are not
intended by authors as such.
While the term is generally limited to fan-created characters, and
its most common usage today occurs within the fan fiction community or
in reference to fan fiction, original characters in role-playing games or literary canon are also sometimes criticized as being
"Mary Sues" or "canon Sues," if they dominate the spotlight or are too
unrealistic or unlikely in other ways. One example of this criticism is Wesley Crusher from Star Trek: The Next Generation.[2][3][4]


I ran Shep through the test.

It was a test from 0 - 50

Shep got a 51.

How dare you sully Wesley Crusher's name like that!

[Collider]

Arik7 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
If you want a consistent storyline with consistent characters read a book or watch a movie, as Mass Effect is not it.    The protagonist does not have a fixed name, gender or personality.  We don't know who survived Virmire, we don't know if humanity if a force of good or a self-centered power-hungry empire... etc...

Uh, duh. I'm not talking Shepard and his decisions. I'm talking about the other characters. Outside of Shepard's decisions (STORYLINE WISE), everything is consistent.

You can actually turn Kaidan into a racist renegade in ME1.  I've heard that is also possible with some other characters....

That's a far cry from turning people bisexual, straight, or gay. It's insulting to even consider that, considering how sexual orientation isn't a choice in real life.

[Arik7]

Blackveldt wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
They are not bisexual, they are fictional.  A gay/bisexual hero could have a slightly different story, and possibly slightly different companions than a straight hero.  Players' enjoyement should be the overriding factor in these decisions. It's not a book, nor a movie.  The more customizations we are offered, the better.

Why would a non-heterosexual protagonist have different companions?

Why would Shepard have a ship full of young single attractive women in cat-suits?  

[Ryzaki]

Crazy_Cat_Lady wrote...

How dare you sully Wesley Crusher's name like that!

Hey hate the characters, not the test!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 08:55 .

[binaryemperor]

I thought the whole point of a video game was that the main character was a Mary Sue... Do you really want to play as a lvl 30 volus whose only class skill is "wheeze pitifully"?

[Blackveldt]

Hm, well, on the subject of bisexualism in-game...having every character be bisexual would be contrived. Simple as that. It does not represent actual statistics of human sexuality; it is merely more marketable. It also limits backlash from both pro and anti-GLBT activism. Does this make it realistic? Not necessarily. Safer? Yes.



Personally, if every NPC was bisexual, I'd be utterly bored. Finding a nice balance and variety for the game provides the most entertainment in my opinion. Even if I can't romance a character because s/he is straight/gay, I kind of like that, because then it adds more depth and character, or at least something different. I like different.

[Ryzaki]

binaryemperor wrote...

I thought the whole point of a video game was that the main character was a Mary Sue... Do you really want to play as a lvl 30 volus whose only class skill is "wheeze pitifully"?

True but that doesn't stop them from being one. And Shep beating Darth Revan is not good. Not good at all.

Plus the fact that Shep is a kill it with fire sue makes it even more hilarious.   Though at least he's not like Revan and is a god mode Sue. That was a little much. <_<

Seriously when is the last time Shep fails at anything that you can't avoid no matter what? 
Even the Warden has things he/she can't avoid doing that are distasteful to the main PC (in some cases). You can't even talk the minor big bad into surrendering either. (Though that may be due to the author's pet Morrigan. <_< Not much of an improvement).

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Crazy_Cat_Lady
wrote...
How
dare you sully Wesley Crusher's name like that!

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
Hey

hate the characters, not the test! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

I
never did like the Wesley Crusher character myself.
Actually I
thought Dr. Pulaski in the 2nd season was
better that Dr. Crusher in
the whole series.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 09:03 .

[Arik7]

Ideally, a more customizable experience is a better game experience, but at this point, I think most supporters would be happy with a at least one reasonably attractive same-sex romance option for each gender.

[Collider]

Blackveldt wrote...

Hm, well, on the subject of bisexualism in-game...having every character be bisexual would be contrived. Simple as that. It does not represent actual statistics of human sexuality; it is merely more marketable. It also limits backlash from both pro and anti-GLBT activism. Does this make it realistic? Not necessarily. Safer? Yes.

Personally, if every NPC was bisexual, I'd be utterly bored. Finding a nice balance and variety for the game provides the most entertainment in my opinion. Even if I can't romance a character because s/he is straight/gay, I kind of like that, because then it adds more depth and character, or at least something different. I like different.

I agree. We need diverse characters, characters with qualities not everyone will like. Take Udina for instance - people love to hate him. Why? I like to think it's because he's a great character. He's a shrewd bastard. It would be much better to have a bisexual or gay male character than just making every bisexual. How boring would that be.

[Ryzaki]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I  think Bioware should just make Wrex a biosexual LI and call it good.
How about that?

Hellz No!

Besides Wrex isn't alive on everyone's playthrough anyways.

Frankly one gay or bi LI for the same sex romance of each gender would be fine.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 09:05 .

[Collider]

Arik7 wrote...
Ideally, a more customizable experience is a better game experience,

I think that's quite false. An empty journal has unlimited possibility for your writing, ultimate customization. But this is a game, we need to play within established parameters in order to have fun. As black said, I also want some consistency and diversity, this isn't Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball where the entire game is sexual fan service.

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I  think Bioware should just make Wrex a biosexual LI and call it good.
How about that?

Hellz No!

Besides Wrex isn't alive on everyone's playthrough anyways.

Don't be so shallow. Love transcends the physical.