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[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I  think Bioware should just make Wrex a biosexual LI and call it good.
How about that?

Hellz No!

Besides Wrex isn't alive on everyone's playthrough anyways.

Don't be so shallow. Love transcends the physical.

...So you romance Wrex and I'll take Tali.

I'll be shallow and you'll not be! Perfect. *runs away with Tali*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 09:07 .

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I  think Bioware should just make Wrex a biosexual LI and call it good.
How about that?

Hellz No!

Besides Wrex isn't alive on everyone's playthrough anyways.

Don't be so shallow. Love transcends the physical.

...So you romance Wrex and I'll take Tali.

I'll be shallow and you'll not be! Perfect. *runs away with Tali*

Lol, I was playing devil's advocate there. Realistically, you would be a pile of ash before you laid one finger on Tali. Just sayin'

[Wicked 702]

Collider wrote...

That's a far cry from turning people bisexual, straight, or gay. It's insulting to even consider that, considering how sexual orientation isn't a choice in real life.

Hate to break it to you but the majority of people in the US, let alone the world, do not share that view of homosexuality/bisexuality. Personally, I agree with you. And I think the majority of people on these forums probably do as well since the groundswell of support for same sex issues in video games appears to be much greater than the opposition. But this is not a fair representation of the whole pie.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Lol, I was playing devil's advocate there. Realistically, you would be a pile of ash before you laid one finger on Tali. Just sayin'

You wish. You know Tali wants me far more than she wants you. :innocent:

[Collider]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Collider wrote...

That's a far cry from turning people bisexual, straight, or gay. It's insulting to even consider that, considering how sexual orientation isn't a choice in real life.

Hate to break it to you but the majority of people in the US, let alone the world, do not share that view of homosexuality/bisexuality.

I never really meant to imply that most people shared my view. Sad as it is.

[Arik7]

Collider wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
Ideally, a more customizable experience is a better game experience,

I think that's quite false. An empty journal has unlimited possibility for your writing, ultimate customization. But this is a game, we need to play within established parameters in order to have fun. As black said, I also want some consistency and diversity, this isn't Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball where the entire game is sexual fan service.

I suppose it's easy to say that when those parameters were set specifically for your demographic, with all the attractive young women in cat-suits on the Normandy and beyond. 

Modifié par Arik7, 24 mars 2010 - 09:16 .

[Wicked 702]

Collider wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

Collider wrote...

That's a far cry from turning people bisexual, straight, or gay. It's insulting to even consider that, considering how sexual orientation isn't a choice in real life.

Hate to break it to you but the majority of people in the US, let alone the world, do not share that view of homosexuality/bisexuality.

I never really meant to imply that most people shared my view. Sad as it is.

No no. I apologize if my response came off as a criticism. I was just attempting to point out that if you try to use your point in a discussion, the anti people will jump on you for it right away. I am quite surprised that this is such a serious point of contention for them. So much so, in fact, that my last discussion on this argument ended up devolving into that one particular point arguing back and forth. They won't budge an inch on this....

[Collider]

I've asked people who believed that sexuality was a choice to become gay for 5 minutes and then be straight again. None of them have agreed to. It's very telling, as well as incredibly frustrating.

[xDarkicex]

Collider wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...

Hm, well, on the subject of bisexualism in-game...having every character be bisexual would be contrived. Simple as that. It does not represent actual statistics of human sexuality; it is merely more marketable. It also limits backlash from both pro and anti-GLBT activism. Does this make it realistic? Not necessarily. Safer? Yes.

Personally, if every NPC was bisexual, I'd be utterly bored. Finding a nice balance and variety for the game provides the most entertainment in my opinion. Even if I can't romance a character because s/he is straight/gay, I kind of like that, because then it adds more depth and character, or at least something different. I like different.

I agree. We need diverse characters, characters with qualities not everyone will like. Take Udina for instance - people love to hate him. Why? I like to think it's because he's a great character. He's a shrewd bastard. It would be much better to have a bisexual or gay male character than just making every bisexual. How boring would that be.

Why would having every character be bi be boring to you? that is hogs wash.
If you where gay, not saying you are or aren't but if you where doing you think you would like to experience a LI with ever character too see the new storyline and see the differences in character development?
Having only 1-2 gay characters is boring just like only having 1-2 straight options is boring if you are really a straight or gay person who will only be playing a straight or gay character, I mean how many playthroughs can you go With the same too LI before it gets boring and you skip LI's altogether?

I for one Do not mind all Bi character because it keeps everyone happy and it adds much more variety to my playthroughs, who cares about real statistics this is a game not real life.

[Arik7]

xDarkicex wrote...

Collider wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...

Hm, well, on the subject of bisexualism in-game...having every character be bisexual would be contrived. Simple as that. It does not represent actual statistics of human sexuality; it is merely more marketable. It also limits backlash from both pro and anti-GLBT activism. Does this make it realistic? Not necessarily. Safer? Yes.

Personally, if every NPC was bisexual, I'd be utterly bored. Finding a nice balance and variety for the game provides the most entertainment in my opinion. Even if I can't romance a character because s/he is straight/gay, I kind of like that, because then it adds more depth and character, or at least something different. I like different.

I agree. We need diverse characters, characters with qualities not everyone will like. Take Udina for instance - people love to hate him. Why? I like to think it's because he's a great character. He's a shrewd bastard. It would be much better to have a bisexual or gay male character than just making every bisexual. How boring would that be.

Why would having every character be bi be boring to you? that is hogs wash.
If you where gay, not saying you are or aren't but if you where doing you think you would like to experience a LI with ever character too see the new storyline and see the differences in character development?
Having only 1-2 gay characters is boring just like only having 1-2 straight options is boring if you are really a straight or gay person who will only be playing a straight or gay character, I mean how many playthroughs can you go With the same too LI before it gets boring and you skip LI's altogether?

I for one Do not mind all Bi character because it keeps everyone happy and it adds much more variety to my playthroughs, who cares about real statistics this is a game not real life.

[Nordic Einar]

All scientific evidence points towards sexuality being an intrinsic. There is not a single credible scientific organization that believes otherwise. Arguing the point is moot.



If bisexual characters are the only way for LGBT peoples to get some representation in ME, then fine. Bisexual characters it'll have to be. That's a far-cry better than what we have now.

[Ryzaki]

xDarkicex wrote...

Collider wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...

Hm, well, on the subject of bisexualism in-game...having every character be bisexual would be contrived. Simple as that. It does not represent actual statistics of human sexuality; it is merely more marketable. It also limits backlash from both pro and anti-GLBT activism. Does this make it realistic? Not necessarily. Safer? Yes.

Personally, if every NPC was bisexual, I'd be utterly bored. Finding a nice balance and variety for the game provides the most entertainment in my opinion. Even if I can't romance a character because s/he is straight/gay, I kind of like that, because then it adds more depth and character, or at least something different. I like different.

I agree. We need diverse characters, characters with qualities not everyone will like. Take Udina for instance - people love to hate him. Why? I like to think it's because he's a great character. He's a shrewd bastard. It would be much better to have a bisexual or gay male character than just making every bisexual. How boring would that be.

Why would having every character be bi be boring to you? that is hogs wash.
If you where gay, not saying you are or aren't but if you where doing you think you would like to experience a LI with ever character too see the new storyline and see the differences in character development?
Having only 1-2 gay characters is boring just like only having 1-2 straight options is boring if you are really a straight or gay person who will only be playing a straight or gay character, I mean how many playthroughs can you go With the same too LI before it gets boring and you skip LI's altogether?

I for one Do not mind all Bi character because it keeps everyone happy and it adds much more variety to my playthroughs, who cares about real statistics this is a game not real life.

True but it would get kind of boring. (Mostly because bi romances in BW games are copy and paste with gender pronoun differences). I 'd rather have straight, gay AND bi sexual LIs. That would be fun and interesting. With differences in the romance according to Shep's gender that are deeper than just changing gender pronouns.

Alas that would take time, effort and money so most likely if we're lucky enough to get the s/s romance options they'll be bisexual and a copy/paste with gender pronoun switch as usual.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2010 - 09:24 .

[Collider]

xDarkicex wrote...

Collider wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...

Hm, well, on the subject of bisexualism in-game...having every character be bisexual would be contrived. Simple as that. It does not represent actual statistics of human sexuality; it is merely more marketable. It also limits backlash from both pro and anti-GLBT activism. Does this make it realistic? Not necessarily. Safer? Yes.

Personally, if every NPC was bisexual, I'd be utterly bored. Finding a nice balance and variety for the game provides the most entertainment in my opinion. Even if I can't romance a character because s/he is straight/gay, I kind of like that, because then it adds more depth and character, or at least something different. I like different.

I agree. We need diverse characters, characters with qualities not everyone will like. Take Udina for instance - people love to hate him. Why? I like to think it's because he's a great character. He's a shrewd bastard. It would be much better to have a bisexual or gay male character than just making every bisexual. How boring would that be.

Why would having every character be bi be boring to you? that is hogs wash.

Oh, I can't have my opinion now?

If you where gay, not saying you are or aren't but if you where doing you think you would like to experience a LI with ever character too see the new storyline and see the differences in character development?

How is that not possible if everyone wasn't bisexual? I have no problem with characters being bisexual, just every character being bisexual. It's immersion breaking and yes, boring. Everyone wants to jump on Shepard regardless of what gender Shepard is? Boring.

Having only 1-2 gay characters is boring just like only having 1-2 straight options is boring if you are really a straight or gay person who will only be playing a straight or gay character, I mean how many playthroughs can you go With the same too LI before it gets boring and you skip LI's altogether?

I'm not putting numbers into this. I never said that I didn't want more than 2 gay characters. I'm arguing against all characters being bisexual, not some.

[Collider]

Nordic Einar wrote...

All scientific evidence points towards sexuality being an intrinsic. There is not a single credible scientific organization that believes otherwise. Arguing the point is moot.

I honestly highly doubt that sexual orientation is completely congenital, if that's what you're saying. It's pretty clear to me that part of a person's sexuality is shaped through the experiences they have during childhood and puberty.

[Nordic Einar]

Collider wrote...

Nordic Einar wrote...

All scientific evidence points towards sexuality being an intrinsic. There is not a single credible scientific organization that believes otherwise. Arguing the point is moot.

I honestly highly doubt that sexual orientation is completely congenital, if that's what you're saying. It's pretty clear to me that part of a person's sexuality is shaped through the experiences they have during childhood and puberty.

Human sexuality is incredibly complex. Of course nurture is going to have some effect on that - whether or not sexuality gets expressed, for example. However, the vast majority of scientific evidence suggests human sexuality comes primarly from two influences; hormonal exposure in the womb and genetics. I would definitely consider nurture to be tertiary in the causes of human sexuality.

[Collider]

The whole idea that sexual orientation is just genetic raises some disturbing questions for those who believe it. Would sexual orientation, then be able to be decided by the parent in the foreseeable future once we have unraveled human genetics far enough? Quite a revolting thought.

[Arik7]

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack to Mass Effect:

[Nordic Einar]

Seeing as how genetics is very unlikely to be the sole arbiter of human sexuality I very much doubt we will ever have such profound expertise over the human genome to influence it, no.

[Mimaiselphenai]

I personally think sexuality is different from person to person. Also, don't forget that there ARE people who aren't heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual. People who are attracted to the "soul" and not the body. Pansexual is the term, I believe. Some might say they're just kidding themselves, but I can definitely seeing it being true. That's sort of the point I was trying to get across earlier. That squad members might begin simply seeing Shepard as Shepard, and not male or female. So, in my opinion, it wouldn't technically be bisexualism.

[Collider]

Really? You seem to have said that most of it is genetics. We've made leaps and bounds in genetics already, even able to prolong the life of test animals by altering their genes. If we were able to determine that sexual orientation is largely genetic to begin with, it stands to reason that we may be able to determine or influence sexual orientation in the future.

[Arik7]

Come on guys. Keep the discussion on topic...

[Collider]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

I personally think sexuality is different from person to person. Also, don't forget that there ARE people who aren't heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual. People who are attracted to the "soul" and not the body. Pansexual is the term, I believe.

Who says all there is to genders are the body? Although not need be, there are often hormonal and personality differences between genders. Quite literally, anyone attacted to both genders is bisexual.

Some might say they're just kidding themselves, but I can definitely seeing it being true. That's sort of the point I was trying to get across earlier. That squad members might begin simply seeing Shepard as Shepard, and not male or female. So, in my opinion, it wouldn't technically be bisexualism.

I don't know why you raise it up though. I'm not saying that there can't be any squad mates open to both genders. I'm saying that all of them being open to both genders (especially all of them with the reasoning that Shepard is Shepard) would be ridiculous.