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[screwoffreg]

We are all talking about the romances in ME but I think part of the issue is how stitled the development of such things feel in general. Its frustrating precisely because the "meatier" interactions with characters in ME 2 especially seems to be based around romances. Unlike other Bioware games, there is no "friend" option, so if you aren't interested in certain characters sexually then the whole relationship sort of dies on the vine.

With the limited squad interaction we are presented with, it is much more likely people are going to complain. I think if the relationships between members of the team were better developed and "friendships" like those in Dragon Age existed, most people would be happy with those. It is not VERY common to hear people "demand" Morrigan be a lesbian love interest, for example, as even if you can't sleep with her she becomes a female characters very close friend, which seems satisfactory to most people.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 25 mars 2010 - 04:06 .

[highcastle]

screwoffreg wrote...

We are all talking about the romances in ME but I think part of the issue is how stitled the development of such things feel in general. Its frustrating precisely because the "meatier" interactions with characters in ME 2 especially seems to be based around romances. Unlike other Bioware games, there is no "friend" option, so if you aren't interested in certain characters sexually then the whole relationship sort of dies on the vine.

With the limited squad interaction we are presented with, it is much more likely people are going to complain. I think if the relationships between members of the team were better developed and "friendships" like those in Dragon Age existed, most people would be happy with those. It is not VERY common to hear people "demand" Morrigan be a lesbian love interest, for example, as even if you can't sleep with her she becomes a female characters very close friend, which seems satisfactory to most people.

Interesting point. I do agree that the limited interactions and lack of true "friendships" with many characters definitely soured my opinion on Mass Effect 2. Especially because in ME, you can get those friendships with everyone. That's why Wrex and Garrus and Tali became so popular at all. But in ME2, your interactions are cut off at a certain point if you don't initiate the romance.

But I don't think it's the whole issue. There's not as much yammering for a Morrigan lesbian romance because you can adjust it from the toolset. Plus, there's Leliana, so it's not like the f/f romance is completely lacking. But there's a definite lack of same sex romances in ME2, which raises more ire, I think.

Still, I definitely agree there should be more character development and relationships beyond romantic ones in the future. That more than anything else really annoyed me in ME2.

[Wittand25]

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Nothing other than wasting resources is wrong with a male romance with Kaidan in ME3, IMO.

Yup all the romances are wasting resources to be honest. Plus I'm sick of the gender pronoun switch for the Bi romances. I want some more differences damnit!

...

is it wrong that I hope that countdown is for a PS3 port? I'm sick of borrowing other people's games damnit. >_<

Here's my reasoning. To get the Kaidan romance in ME3 you have to:
1) Be male.
2) Play Mass Effect 1.
3) Play Mass Effect 2.

It's a waste of resources creating a new romance just for those who fit the bill, for an already romanceable character for that matter. That's creating two romances for one character just for that audience. You can't have your gay friend play only Mass Effect 3 since by default male Shepard virmired Kaidan. To expose a greater audience to M/m romance, thereby using resources more efficiently, you can have a new gay or bi male character in ME3 like Hendel or something.

Or allow for a new created Shepard to choose non-skill based key plotpoints of the first two games (Ashley/Kaidan, Rachini queen, ... )This also has the benefit that players will be able to see the varring outcomes to those desicions without having to play through all three games those with an safegame to import still get other bonuses and the screen/dialog  where you choose the past expieriences of Shepard can also serve as story ewxposition for new players (like the interview by Miranda in the shuttle is supposed to) 
 And because I firmly believe that FemShep will be able to start a romance with Kaidan even if she did not romance him in ME1, I dont think it would not need much resources to make him available for both MaleShep and FemShep (even less than creating a new LI).
I still hope that something will be done before ME3 in ME2 like unlocking both a m/m and a f/f romance if the romance pack is released (either one of the old ones or with Kelly-like npcs but still counting for the paramour achievment and with an actual romance scene).

Modifié par Wittand25, 25 mars 2010 - 05:34 .

[screwoffreg]

highcastle wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

We are all talking about the romances in ME but I think part of the issue is how stitled the development of such things feel in general. Its frustrating precisely because the "meatier" interactions with characters in ME 2 especially seems to be based around romances. Unlike other Bioware games, there is no "friend" option, so if you aren't interested in certain characters sexually then the whole relationship sort of dies on the vine.

With the limited squad interaction we are presented with, it is much more likely people are going to complain. I think if the relationships between members of the team were better developed and "friendships" like those in Dragon Age existed, most people would be happy with those. It is not VERY common to hear people "demand" Morrigan be a lesbian love interest, for example, as even if you can't sleep with her she becomes a female characters very close friend, which seems satisfactory to most people.

Interesting point. I do agree that the limited interactions and lack of true "friendships" with many characters definitely soured my opinion on Mass Effect 2. Especially because in ME, you can get those friendships with everyone. That's why Wrex and Garrus and Tali became so popular at all. But in ME2, your interactions are cut off at a certain point if you don't initiate the romance.

But I don't think it's the whole issue. There's not as much yammering for a Morrigan lesbian romance because you can adjust it from the toolset. Plus, there's Leliana, so it's not like the f/f romance is completely lacking. But there's a definite lack of same sex romances in ME2, which raises more ire, I think.

Still, I definitely agree there should be more character development and relationships beyond romantic ones in the future. That more than anything else really annoyed me in ME2.

Don't disagree with you at all, but at very least having a "sisterhood" conversation with Tali would be better than her awkwardly flirting with you then recycling her last conversation piece as the dialogue ends.

There is always Leliana...well, hopefully.  If Awakenings was the end...then there isn't always Leliana

[Ryzaki]

screwoffreg wrote...

highcastle wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

We are all talking about the romances in ME but I think part of the issue is how stitled the development of such things feel in general. Its frustrating precisely because the "meatier" interactions with characters in ME 2 especially seems to be based around romances. Unlike other Bioware games, there is no "friend" option, so if you aren't interested in certain characters sexually then the whole relationship sort of dies on the vine.

With the limited squad interaction we are presented with, it is much more likely people are going to complain. I think if the relationships between members of the team were better developed and "friendships" like those in Dragon Age existed, most people would be happy with those. It is not VERY common to hear people "demand" Morrigan be a lesbian love interest, for example, as even if you can't sleep with her she becomes a female characters very close friend, which seems satisfactory to most people.

Interesting point. I do agree that the limited interactions and lack of true "friendships" with many characters definitely soured my opinion on Mass Effect 2. Especially because in ME, you can get those friendships with everyone. That's why Wrex and Garrus and Tali became so popular at all. But in ME2, your interactions are cut off at a certain point if you don't initiate the romance.

But I don't think it's the whole issue. There's not as much yammering for a Morrigan lesbian romance because you can adjust it from the toolset. Plus, there's Leliana, so it's not like the f/f romance is completely lacking. But there's a definite lack of same sex romances in ME2, which raises more ire, I think.

Still, I definitely agree there should be more character development and relationships beyond romantic ones in the future. That more than anything else really annoyed me in ME2.

Don't disagree with you at all, but at very least having a "sisterhood" conversation with Tali would be better than her awkwardly flirting with you then recycling her last conversation piece as the dialogue ends.

There is always Leliana...well, hopefully.  If Awakenings was the end...then there isn't always Leliana

Considering my PC magically came from the dead with no one being the wiser, Zevran not being around is frankly the worst of his issues.

[Collider]

screwoffreg wrote...
Above anything else, the notion that Bioware MAY HAVE HAD (I have to qualify for the ignorant) to edit things out under pressure is disturbing. If this IS NOT THE CASE, then we can certainly take exception to their creative decisions as is our right.

So what's your point? They may removed it for creative reasons, or orders from higher up. Considering how lesbian romances exist in both games, I highly doubt that it was decided was removed just because it's lesbian, because that would not make sense. There is already lesbian content in ME2 and ME1.

Modifié par Collider, 25 mars 2010 - 06:12 .

[Collider]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
I don't consider including him as a m/m romance option in ME3 any more a 'waste of resources' than making Garrus and Tali romanceable for ME2 was. Something to be hoped for, if the devs are willing to cater to some of the fans on it. Nothing wrong with that.

That's highly different. Garrus and Tali never had a romance in ME1 to begin with. Kaidan did. It's a waste of resources to create a new romance JUST for male Shepards for Kaidan. Kaidan's heterosexual romance wil have all that precedent from ME1 and ME2, creating a new romance for an already romanceable character for such a minority audience is foolish. Why not just make a new character that happens to be bisexual or gay?

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
I don't consider including him as a m/m romance option in ME3 any more a 'waste of resources' than making Garrus and Tali romanceable for ME2 was. Something to be hoped for, if the devs are willing to cater to some of the fans on it. Nothing wrong with that.

That's highly different. Garrus and Tali never had a romance in ME1 to begin with. Kaidan did. It's a waste of resources to create a new romance JUST for male Shepards for Kaidan. Kaidan's heterosexual romance wil have all that precedent from ME1 and ME2, creating a new romance for an already romanceable character for such a minority audience is foolish. Why not just make a new character that happens to be bisexual or gay?

...you forget that some female PCs haven't romanced Kaidan and those who started with ME2 never had a chance. <_<

Not as much of a minority as you seem to think.

[Collider]

Wittand25 wrote...
Or allow for a new created Shepard to choose non-skill based key plotpoints of the first two games (Ashley/Kaidan, Rachini queen, ... )

You'd have to know that Kaidan would be the M/M option to begin with if you just want M/M. And giving those choices to new players makes absolutely no sense. They don't know the context, it's like asking whether you saved Bob Jones or Fiona Page. Who the hell are they?

 And because I firmly believe that FemShep will be able to start a romance with Kaidan even if she did not romance him in ME1, I dont think it would not need much resources to make him available for both MaleShep and FemShep (even less than creating a new LI).

What an irrational belief. We have no evidence that you'll be able to start a new romance for Kaidan if you didn't romance him in ME1. Yea, Bioware is going to create two romances for the same character. Makes perfect sense! That's sarcasm.

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
I don't consider including him as a m/m romance option in ME3 any more a 'waste of resources' than making Garrus and Tali romanceable for ME2 was. Something to be hoped for, if the devs are willing to cater to some of the fans on it. Nothing wrong with that.

That's highly different. Garrus and Tali never had a romance in ME1 to begin with. Kaidan did. It's a waste of resources to create a new romance JUST for male Shepards for Kaidan. Kaidan's heterosexual romance wil have all that precedent from ME1 and ME2, creating a new romance for an already romanceable character for such a minority audience is foolish. Why not just make a new character that happens to be bisexual or gay?

]...you forget that some female PCs haven't romanced Kaidan and those who started with ME2 never had a chance. <_<

Uh, so? The minority are people
a) Played Mass Effect 1 and saved Kaidan
Male Shepard
c) Played Mass Effect 2
d) Survived
e) Import to Mass Effect 3
That's a smaller audience than just having a new gay or bisexual character.

Modifié par Collider, 25 mars 2010 - 06:21 .

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
I don't consider including him as a m/m romance option in ME3 any more a 'waste of resources' than making Garrus and Tali romanceable for ME2 was. Something to be hoped for, if the devs are willing to cater to some of the fans on it. Nothing wrong with that.

That's highly different. Garrus and Tali never had a romance in ME1 to begin with. Kaidan did. It's a waste of resources to create a new romance JUST for male Shepards for Kaidan. Kaidan's heterosexual romance wil have all that precedent from ME1 and ME2, creating a new romance for an already romanceable character for such a minority audience is foolish. Why not just make a new character that happens to be bisexual or gay?

...you forget that some female PCs haven't romanced Kaidan and those who started with ME2 never had a chance. <_<

Uh, so? The minority are people
a) Played Mass Effect 1 and saved Kaidan
Male Shepard
c) Played Mass Effect 2
d) Survived
e) Import to Mass Effect 3
That's a smaller audience than just having a new gay or bisexual character.

...And you didn't get the point.

FEMALE PCs save Kaidan by DEFAULT.

Though yes it would be a smaller audience than someone who gets into the game in ME2 or ME3 with a MShep. Once again. I don't care you should not start playing a game at the end of the bloody trilogy. Just like you don't watch the last 10 minutes of a movie and start whining about how you don't understand.

Though frankly you should have been able to choose who you virimired at least.

Is there a site for Xbox 360 ME1 saves? I know the PC users have one but I wonder if Xbox people have one.

Yes it would make more sense to have a new character but frankly we already have a cast of about 12+ people. WE DON'T NEED MORE.

<_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 mars 2010 - 06:25 .

[Collider]

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

[quote]Collider wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

[quote]Collider wrote...

[quote]Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
I don't consider including him as a m/m romance option in ME3 any more a 'waste of resources' than making Garrus and Tali romanceable for ME2 was. Something to be hoped for, if the devs are willing to cater to some of the fans on it. Nothing wrong with that.[/quote]
That's highly different. Garrus and Tali never had a romance in ME1 to begin with. Kaidan did. It's a waste of resources to create a new romance JUST for male Shepards for Kaidan. Kaidan's heterosexual romance wil have all that precedent from ME1 and ME2, creating a new romance for an already romanceable character for such a minority audience is foolish. Why not just make a new character that happens to be bisexual or gay?

[/quote]...you forget that some female PCs haven't romanced Kaidan and those who started with ME2 never had a chance. <_<[/quote]


Uh, so? The minority are people
a) Played Mass Effect 1 and saved Kaidan
Male Shepard
c) Played Mass Effect 2
d) Survived
e) Import to Mass Effect 3
That's a smaller audience than just having a new gay or bisexual character.

[/quote]

...And you didn't get the point.

FEMALE PCs save Kaidan by DEFAULT. [/quote]
And? I'm not talking about female PCs. I'm talking about male PCs.

Though yes it would be a smaller audience than someone who gets into the game in ME2 or ME3 with a MShep. Once again. I don't care you should not start playing a game at the end of the bloody trilogy. Just like you don't watch the last 10 minutes of a movie and start whining about how you don't understand.[/quote]
A far wider audience for the gay/bi male character would be a new one. That's what it boils down to.

[/quote]

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Collider wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
I don't consider including him as a m/m romance option in ME3 any more a 'waste of resources' than making Garrus and Tali romanceable for ME2 was. Something to be hoped for, if the devs are willing to cater to some of the fans on it. Nothing wrong with that.

That's highly different. Garrus and Tali never had a romance in ME1 to begin with. Kaidan did. It's a waste of resources to create a new romance JUST for male Shepards for Kaidan. Kaidan's heterosexual romance wil have all that precedent from ME1 and ME2, creating a new romance for an already romanceable character for such a minority audience is foolish. Why not just make a new character that happens to be bisexual or gay?

Why not do both?

There's nothing saying that everyone who ran a FemShep romanced Kaidan, or anyone at all, so reintroduction in ME3 isn't by necessity going to include reference to a previous romance. From there on in it's more a question of if the devs will allow for romancing Kaidan if he wasn't romanced before, or if they'd limit it to pre-existing LIs only. If they do allow 'new' romance overtures, I fail to see why including m/m should be out of the picture. For those of us who would have liked our MShep to romance Kaidan from ME1, continuity is still there.

I look at this as a 'if I don't say anything, I know nothing will happen' scenario. What I'd like to see is the opportunity for MShep to romance Kaidan, given what I considered the blatant character overtures displayed in ME1 and 2. Doesn't matter if the chances of inclusion are next to zero, or if others consider a completely new character a 'better' option. A new character would also be excellent, for a variety of different reasons. Why should I have to choose one or the other when I think they'd both be potentially great additions? The final decisions lie with the devs, not with me.

[mjboldy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...


Uh, so? The minority are people
a) Played Mass Effect 1 and saved Kaidan
Male Shepard
c) Played Mass Effect 2
d) Survived
e) Import to Mass Effect 3
That's a smaller audience than just having a new gay or bisexual character.

...And you didn't get the point.

FEMALE PCs save Kaidan by DEFAULT.

Though yes it would be a smaller audience than someone who gets into the game in ME2 or ME3 with a MShep. Once again. I don't care you should not start playing a game at the end of the bloody trilogy. Just like you don't watch the last 10 minutes of a movie and start whining about how you don't understand.

Though frankly you should have been able to choose who you virimired at least.

Is there a site for Xbox 360 ME1 saves? I know the PC users have one but I wonder if Xbox people have one.

Yes it would make more sense to have a new character but frankly we already have a cast of about 12+ people. WE DON'T NEED MORE.

<_<

- Virmire as a verb? haha

- No there isn't a place for Xbox 360 saves as there wouldn't be any way of getting the save file on the HDD of the Xbox without some tech know-how and hacking.

Modifié par mjboldy, 25 mars 2010 - 06:34 .

[Ryzaki]

[quote]Collider wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

[quote]Collider wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

[quote]Collider wrote...

[quote]Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
I don't consider including him as a m/m romance option in ME3 any more a 'waste of resources' than making Garrus and Tali romanceable for ME2 was. Something to be hoped for, if the devs are willing to cater to some of the fans on it. Nothing wrong with that.[/quote]
That's highly different. Garrus and Tali never had a romance in ME1 to begin with. Kaidan did. It's a waste of resources to create a new romance JUST for male Shepards for Kaidan. Kaidan's heterosexual romance wil have all that precedent from ME1 and ME2, creating a new romance for an already romanceable character for such a minority audience is foolish. Why not just make a new character that happens to be bisexual or gay?

[/quote]...you forget that some female PCs haven't romanced Kaidan and those who started with ME2 never had a chance. <_<[/quote]


Uh, so? The minority are people
a) Played Mass Effect 1 and saved Kaidan
Male Shepard
c) Played Mass Effect 2
d) Survived
e) Import to Mass Effect 3
That's a smaller audience than just having a new gay or bisexual character.

[/quote]

...And you didn't get the point.

FEMALE PCs save Kaidan by DEFAULT. [/quote]
And? I'm not talking about female PCs. I'm talking about male PCs.

Though yes it would be a smaller audience than someone who gets into the game in ME2 or ME3 with a MShep. Once again. I don't care you should not start playing a game at the end of the bloody trilogy. Just like you don't watch the last 10 minutes of a movie and start whining about how you don't understand.[/quote]
A far wider audience for the gay/bi male character would be a new one. That's what it boils down to.

[/quote]

Yeah we're not going to agree. Unless the bi LI is Joker it makes no bloody sense to have more characters. We already have more than 12. That's more than enough to simply make one person either romanceable to both genders or romanceable to another gender than they already were attracted to. Adding more people is just ludcrious at this point.

Which is why frankly Joker would make the most sense. He's not a new , can not be killed but he wasn't romancable to begin with.

I don't know what to do about the F/F option. Tali can die. (I hope she's reduced to a cameo just for the lulz) as can all the other females...with the exception of Liara. So *shrugs* either Liara will be romancable again or they'll have new characters but. *sighs* 12 is more than enough to deal with. Why on earth BW thought having a cast of 12 characters was a good idea I'll never understand.

[quote]mjboldy wrote...

- Virmire as a verb? haha

- No
there isn't a place for Xbox 360 saves as there wouldn't be any way of
getting the save file on the HDD of the Xbox without some tech know-how
and hacking.

[/quote]

Really? Suckage.
There are ways to copy PS3 saves though. At least I'm pretty sure they
are a friend of mine was whining about backing up DA saves and how he
couldn't because they were locked.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 mars 2010 - 06:37 .

[Wittand25]

Collider wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...
Or allow for a new created Shepard to choose non-skill based key plotpoints of the first two games (Ashley/Kaidan, Rachini queen, ... )

You'd have to know that Kaidan would be the M/M option to begin with if you just want M/M. And giving those choices to new players makes absolutely no sense. They don't know the context, it's like asking whether you saved Bob Jones or Fiona Page. Who the hell are they?

If ME3 includes a m/m option everyone who wants to know will know at
release day who it is and for those who dont want to know they can
find out on their second playthrough or later.

 And because I firmly believe that FemShep will be able to start a romance with Kaidan even if she did not romance him in ME1, I dont think it would not need much resources to make him available for both MaleShep and FemShep (even less than creating a new LI).

What an irrational belief. We have no evidence that you'll be able to start a new romance for Kaidan if you didn't romance him in ME1. Yea, Bioware is going to create two romances for the same character. Makes perfect sense! That's sarcasm.

There are three different sitatiuns for Kaidan if alive:
1) no romance with Shepard
2) romance and Shepard stayed faithful
3) romance and Shepard cheated
The difference between those three situations can be dealt with by one single conversation and maybe a different way he calls Shepard  the other times they talk. If anything not allowing to start a Kaidan romance in ME3, for females atleast, would be a waste of resources because the majority of FemSheps did not persue the romance and some of those who did will still choose their ME2 romance over Kaidan, severly limiting the audience for the content..

Modifié par Wittand25, 25 mars 2010 - 06:45 .

[Collider]

@ Ryzaki Um, how could you not agree with me? Having to play ME1, ME2, be male, and have Kaidan alive narrows the audience down versus a new gay or bisexual romance. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry.

I also see you're trying to push my buttons here. It's REALLY sad if you're so affected by me disagreeing that you want to test me. Poor baby can't except that someone disagrees with her ;_; Direct to your bull**** to the people who actually don't want same sex romances, not me.

Modifié par Collider, 25 mars 2010 - 06:37 .

[Collider]

Wittand25 wrote...
 If anything not allowing to start a Kaidan romance in ME3, for females atleast, would be a waste of resources because the majority of FemSheps did not persue the romance and some of those who did will still choose their ME2 romance over Kaidan.

That doesn't make sense. You don't lose resources from not doing something, silly. Use your brain.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

@ Ryzaki Um, how could you not agree with me? Having to play ME1, ME2, be male, and have Kaidan alive narrows the audience down versus a new gay or bisexual romance. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry.

I also see you're trying to push my buttons here. It's REALLY sad if you're so affected by me disagreeing that you want to test me. Poor baby can't except that someone disagrees with her ;_; Direct to your bull**** to the people who actually don't want same sex romances, not me.

Wow Collider. Showing your true colors huh? Well at least you didn't decide to slink off and completely avoid the issue like you usually do.

Amazing somehow I'm not surprised.

Never said that the audience wouldn't be smaller. But you're so full of yourself you didn't comprehend that did you. <_< I was simply alluding to the fact that Kaidan would possibly be romancable to FemSheps if BW did decide to make him Bi in 3 he'd most likely be romanceable to the FemSheps that didn't romance him in 2 meaning that the amount of resources devoted wouldn't be so small seeing as how BW has a habit of simply changing gender pronouns when they make a s/s romance.

But of course I can't accept that someone disagrees with me right? 

Oh noes!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 mars 2010 - 06:42 .

[NKKKK]

Oh look, politicalness....

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

@ Ryzaki Um, how could you not agree with me? Having to play ME1, ME2, be male, and have Kaidan alive narrows the audience down versus a new gay or bisexual romance. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry.

I also see you're trying to push my buttons here. It's REALLY sad if you're so affected by me disagreeing that you want to test me. Poor baby can't except that someone disagrees with her ;_; Direct to your bull**** to the people who actually don't want same sex romances, not me.

Wow Collider. Showing your true colors huh? 

Amazing somehow I'm not surprised.

What are my true colors? Like I said, direct your anger towards someone who deserves it. This argument about Kaidan would not be any different had it been Ashley instead with a lesbian romance in ME3. I'm not trying to antagonize you, whereas you clearly were trying to troll with me with Tali (who has nothing to do with Kaidan).

Never said that the audience wouldn't be smaller. But you're so full of yourself you didn't comprehend that did you. <_<

I was simply alluding to the fact that Kaidan would possibly be romancable to FemSheps if BW did decide to make him Bi in 3 meaning that the amount of resources devoted wouldn't be so small seeing as how BW has a habit of simply changing gender pronouns when they make a s/s romance.

That's still creating a new romance for a character that already has a romance. And it does not factor in the femsheps who killed Kaidan on Virmire. Still a smaller audience than just having a new gay or bisexual character in ME3. Like I said, I wouldn't be saying a word different than if it was Ashley instead of Kaidan that we were talking about. Don't get uppity with me and accuse me of arrogance.

[Baron Vukodlak]

To those that want this, they will have other ME games in the ME universe. DA seems to indicate that most future Bioware games are going to allow same sex options, at least that would be my guess.



However, for the Shepard ME story it does not fit IMO.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Ryzaki has a reasonable point, though. Even if only the 2 surviving LIs from ME1 are recruitable/encounterable, and, say, only half of the crew from ME2, you're still looking at a potential 7 possible in-depth PC/NPC encounters (assuming no DLC characters). Possibly as many as 12, of which between 1 and 5 will be romanceable/romanced. Adding to that number just seems insane, even if you limit them all to cameos.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 25 mars 2010 - 06:48 .

[Collider]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
Ryzaki has a reasonable point, though. Even if only the 2 surviving LIs from ME1 are recruitable/encounterable, and, say, only half of the crew from ME2, you're still looking at a potential 7 possible in-depth PC/NPC encounters. Possibly as many as 12, of which between 1 and 5 will be romanceable/romanced. Adding to that number just seems insane, even if you limit them all to cameos.

Here's my point. There's a larger audience for M/M romances if the gay or bisexual character is a new one. Or someone who previously did not have a romance and could not die, like Joker. I know you and Ryzaki may want Kaidan as M/M, but these are the facts here. And I gurantee to you that Kaidan M/M in ME3 won't happen. Quote me on that if you want. I'm all for new male characters being bisexual or gay, but people are going to sorely disappointed if they expect existing characters to do a 180 and suddenly open themselves to the same sex.

[Wittand25]

Collider wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...
 If anything not allowing to start a Kaidan romance in ME3, for females atleast, would be a waste of resources because the majority of FemSheps did not persue the romance and some of those who did will still choose their ME2 romance over Kaidan.

That doesn't make sense. You don't lose resources from not doing something, silly. Use your brain.

Take your own advice and use your brain. You need a cutscene, several dialogscenes and more just for a pretty small part of the players. It is much more economical to use the cutscene and most of the dialog for a broader audience, by allowing a second shot at the romance than creating a completly new romance option.