7455 réponses à ce sujet

[SirGladiator]

I think it would be nice if we could help get people together, and Joker is a perfect example of that. If we can make EDI a human-like body, and we don't want to romance her ourselves, we should be able to get Joker and EDI together. Joker would be a good option for an LI too of course, but he would also be good with a robot version of EDI. Imagine getting Joker and EDI together, Miranda and Jack together, and ending up with Tali. Or putting Tali and Liara together and ending up with Ashley. Or putting Ashley and EDI together and ending up with Joker, there are so many awesome possibilities . It would be nice to be able to not just reject somebody, but help put them with the person you think would fit them best, it would make for an even happier happy ending .

[FataliTensei]

SirGladiator wrote...

I think it would be nice if we could help get people together, and Joker is a perfect example of that. If we can make EDI a human-like body, and we don't want to romance her ourselves, we should be able to get Joker and EDI together. Joker would be a good option for an LI too of course, but he would also be good with a robot version of EDI. Imagine getting Joker and EDI together, Miranda and Jack together, and ending up with Tali. Or putting Tali and Liara together and ending up with Ashley. Or putting Ashley and EDI together and ending up with Joker, there are so many awesome possibilities . It would be nice to be able to not just reject somebody, but help put them with the person you think would fit them best, it would make for an even happier happy ending .

The idea of fostering a relationship between two teamates who you don't want to romance is an interesting one

... i don't there will ever be an EDI romance though.....

Modifié par FataliTensei, 26 mars 2010 - 03:21 .

[Fade9wayz]

@SirGladiator

Err... Not that I find the idea uninteresting, but this is making the Normandy a damn love cruise. Oh wait, nevermind, it already is....

[Ruud333]

SirGladiator wrote...

I think it would be nice if we could help get people together, and Joker is a perfect example of that. If we can make EDI a human-like body, and we don't want to romance her ourselves, we should be able to get Joker and EDI together. Joker would be a good option for an LI too of course, but he would also be good with a robot version of EDI. Imagine getting Joker and EDI together, Miranda and Jack together, and ending up with Tali. Or putting Tali and Liara together and ending up with Ashley. Or putting Ashley and EDI together and ending up with Joker, there are so many awesome possibilities . It would be nice to be able to not just reject somebody, but help put them with the person you think would fit them best, it would make for an even happier happy ending .

Sounds a bit too like Emma in space to me

[The Uncanny]

Ruud333 wrote...

Sounds a bit too like Emma in space to me

When you put it like that, I now demand that we be able to do this!

"Shepard's very good opinion of Jack was a little shaken the following day, by hearing that she was gone off to Omega, merely to have her head shaved."

Or we could do Pride and Prejudice in which, after hearing that the Illusive Man is transferring ownership of the Normandy to Jacob Taylor and a union of convenience is proposed, Dr Chakwas says to Shepard, "From this day you must be a stranger to one of your shipmates. Joker will never see you again if you do not marry Jacob, and I will never see you again if you do."

[LiquidGrape]

The Uncanny wrote...

Ruud333 wrote...

Sounds a bit too like Emma in space to me

When you put it like that, I now demand that we be able to do this!

"Shepard's very good opinion of Jack was a little shaken the following day, by hearing that she was gone off to Omega, merely to have her head shaved."

Or we could do Pride and Prejudice in which, after hearing that the Illusive Man is transferring ownership of the Normandy to Jacob Taylor and a union of convenience is proposed, Dr Chakwas says to Shepard, "From this day you must be a stranger to one of your shipmates. Joker will never see you again if you do not marry Jacob, and I will never see you again if you do."

OH MR. BENNET, WHAT EVER WILL WE DO?!

[Images]

"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a reaper in posession of a collector must be in want of control."

[The Uncanny]

Images wrote...

"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a reaper in posession of a collector must be in want of control."

Lulz!

"Shepard does not lose much by not suiting Miranda Lawson's fancy; for she is a most disagreeable, horrid woman, not at all worth pleasing. So high and so conceited that there was no enduring her! She walked here, and she walked there, fancying herself so very great!"

[LiquidGrape]

I believe we have a new meme here, ladies and gentlemen.

Miranda Lawson had been obliged, by the scarcity of gentlemen, to sit down for two dances; and during part of that time, Commander Shepard had been standing near enough for her to overhear a conversation between him and Mr. Vakarian, who came from the dance for a few minutes, to press his friend to join it.
     "Come Shepard," said he, "I must have you dance. I hate to see you standing about by yourself in this stupid manner. You had much better dance."
     "I certainly shall not. You know how I detest it, unless I am particularly acquainted with my partner. At such an assembly as this it would be insupportable. The original squadmates are engaged, and there is not another woman in the room whom it would not be a punishment to me to stand up with."
     "I would not be so fastidious as you are," cried Vakarian, "for a heat sink! Upon my facial scarring, I never met with so many pleasant girls in my life as I have this evening; and there are several of them you see with uncommonly well-groomed fringes."
     "You are dancing with the only handsome girl in the room," said Commander Shepard, looking at the biotic Jack.
     "Oh! she is the most flexible creature I ever reached! But there is one of our newer allies sitting down just behind you, who has a very supportive waist, and I dare say very agreeable. Do let me ask my partner to introduce you."
     "Which do you mean?" and turning round he looked for a moment at Miranda, till catching her eye, he withdrew his own and coldly said, "She is tolerable, but not handsome enough to tempt me; and I am in no humour at present to give consequence to young ladies who were genetically bred. You had better return to your partner and enjoy her expletives, for you are wasting your time with me."

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 mars 2010 - 05:28 .

[SimonTheFrog]

Aye...



Me thinks its the stuff for a new thread....

[The Uncanny]

Sorry for veering off topic, but can I just say...

LiquidGrape wrote...

I believe we have a new meme here, ladies and gentlemen.

I lol'd so hard at that my eyes were watering. Win.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 26 mars 2010 - 05:52 .

[FataliTensei]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Aye...

Me thinks its the stuff for a new thread....

'

Lol it does deserve it's own thread

[Lopake]

bump.

[Lopake]

I think its a little late to add a same sex romance into ME the third time around



not that I dont feel for you you guys who want Shep to be with a man, but I doubt its going to happen no matter what

[SirGladiator]

Ive been playing the Miranda romance this evening, using the save game editor, and I must say its rather.....weird.....to play a romance with a character that basicly has no face, and since it uses MaleShep's voice I mostly just read the conversations instead of listening to them. Its quite sad that this is how far Bioware has fallen, from the great romances of Silk Fox, Liara, and Leliana, to now forcing players to physicly deform their characters via a save game editor simply to have any romance options at all. So sad. So wrong.



Its funny how some people haven't figured out the reason why a game as awesome as this one hasn't sold even as well as Dragon Age, well this is probably the #1 reason why. People tend to not like having ALL their romance options taken away from them, they'd rather buy a game that doesn't do that, even though pretty much everything else about ME2 suggests it could be one of the best games of all time. I believe that if the rumored romance DLC comes to pass, and as expected it puts our romance options back into the game, sales will spike HUGELY for the game itself, not just the DLC, and finally ME2 will be the massive success it would've been all along if they hadn't cut the romances out in the first place.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

I get pretty tired of people complaining about calls for increased inter-party dialogue and interaction, including romance, and reducing it to 'whining about dating' or similar. C'est la vie, mon amie. Plenty of threads out there to peruse that have nothing to do with ME relationships of any kind.

I'd like Bioware to reconsider their approach to character development that involved adding twice the amount of recruitable crew as the first game, with half of them romanceable (plus one fling). I'd rather they'd used the time and money spent on developing half of the characters and put it into in-depth, interesting character involvement and dialogue for the other half so there wasn't a shut-down button if you weren't romancing someone. I think that was one of the issues that led to people feeling short-changed in the character interaction arena - and one of the reasons there's a call for a 'romance' DLC.

Well, in this thread it's that and the lack of a serious f/f (in ME2) and m/m LI opportunity. ME isn't a dating sim, but it isn't a pure shooter, either - inter-party relationships, including romantic ones, are a staple of Bioware games and as much a part of them as combat. IMO, they strayed a bit from that in ME2, and I'd like to see a return to it in ME3. Preferably with at least the attention to s/s romance options that they've displayed in past games, if not better.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 27 mars 2010 - 07:37 .

[FataliTensei]

method82 wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

Ive been playing the Miranda romance this evening, using the save game editor, and I must say its rather.....weird.....to play a romance with a character that basicly has no face, and since it uses MaleShep's voice I mostly just read the conversations instead of listening to them. Its quite sad that this is how far Bioware has fallen, from the great romances of Silk Fox, Liara, and Leliana, to now forcing players to physicly deform their characters via a save game editor simply to have any romance options at all. So sad. So wrong.

Its funny how some people haven't figured out the reason why a game as awesome as this one hasn't sold even as well as Dragon Age, well this is probably the #1 reason why. People tend to not like having ALL their romance options taken away from them, they'd rather buy a game that doesn't do that, even though pretty much everything else about ME2 suggests it could be one of the best games of all time. I believe that if the rumored romance DLC comes to pass, and as expected it puts our romance options back into the game, sales will spike HUGELY for the game itself, not just the DLC, and finally ME2 will be the massive success it would've been all along if they hadn't cut the romances out in the first place.

- Guys the reapers are attacking again!
- Hold on, I just need to eat dinner with Tali, have sex with Liara, make out with Jacob..

What is sad is the whining about "Love" content! No matter sexual preferences I really hope that Bioware does not listen to the most vocal persons regarding such content. Sure I do not mind a flirt here and there, no matter gender but I am so tired of people putting so much emphasis on expressing sexuality in a GAME. No matter if you are straight, bi or ******. Doing the same when playing Modern Warfare?

It's an immersion quality that's nice, and see Mass Effect isn't supposed to be Modern Warefare, it's supposed to be an RPG, although at the rate it's going I don't know how long that statement will hold up.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

method82 wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...
I'd like Bioware to reconsider their approach to character development that involved adding twice the amount of recruitable crew as the first game, with half of them romanceable (plus one fling).

I rest my case.

Half-rested, maybe. Half the crew was romanceable in ME1, and that was fine. Could've been better, but couldn't it always?

And...yeah. ME != Modern Warfare. Quite different expectations on story and the importance of NPC interaction. Well, hopefully.

[Atomic Space Vixen]

method82 wrote...

Well we have different opinions, no one is right no one is wrong. I just don't find it that interesting with various romances. As stated in another post I rather see friendships evolving between characters. Never understood why I have to **** everything in a game when it comes to that. More indepth bonding between Shep and a friend of his choosing, perhaps some missions together that tie them even closer. From a rp perspective I find that more interesting than trying to romance someone.

That's the great things like this in RPGs - you don't have to romance anyone. My current Shepard is still in love with Kaiden, so she's not going to romance any of her current crew. But my renegade Shepard isn't so monogamous and things may be different with that character. She was with Liara last time, but if I want her to romance someone this time, I'm forced to make her bisexual.
So you want to skip romancing? Great! But for those people who don't, there should be more flexibility to role play the characters we want to role play.

Modifié par Atomic Space Vixen, 27 mars 2010 - 09:05 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

method82 wrote...

Well we have different opinions, no one is right no one is wrong. I just don't find it that interesting with various romances. As stated in another post I rather see friendships evolving between characters. Never understood why I have to **** everything in a game when it comes to that. More indepth bonding between Shep and a friend of his choosing, perhaps some missions together that tie them even closer. From a rp perspective I find that more interesting than trying to romance someone.

Oh, I'm not arguing against your position, particularly. I think most people are totally on-board with richer character interactions that have nothing to do with romance. It's just that we like romance, too. Typically Bioware manages both those things a bit more deftly than they did in ME2, though.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 27 mars 2010 - 09:07 .

[Ruud333]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Aye...

Me thinks its the stuff for a new thread....

Something like: "Petition to re-animate Jane Austen and add her to the BW writing team"?

[tyddrwsau]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

method82 wrote...

Well we have different opinions, no one is right no one is wrong. I just don't find it that interesting with various romances. As stated in another post I rather see friendships evolving between characters. Never understood why I have to **** everything in a game when it comes to that. More indepth bonding between Shep and a friend of his choosing, perhaps some missions together that tie them even closer. From a rp perspective I find that more interesting than trying to romance someone.

Oh, I'm not arguing against your position, particularly. I think most people are totally on-board with richer character interactions that have nothing to do with romance. It's just that we like romance, too. Typically Bioware manages both those things a bit more deftly than they did in ME2, though.

I sincerely hope that BioWare takes their time with the development of ME3, and that the ME3 and ME2 DLC/Expansion team keep up an open dialogue about the progression of story, gameplay and the whole experience. I agree with those who say that there are plenty of other aspects of gameplay and story evidenced in ME2 that could benefit from the resources to polish the heck out of them. It is not as immersive a game as ME1 was - the environments we play in are way more individualised and detailed, but brief, confined and predictable (look! I see a row of waist-high crates, watch out!). The mission complete screen followed by setting reset is abrupt. Many elements of the story narrative are not well integrated. All addressed in other threads, and valid from my POV (argued by others). I disagree with those who say these are MORE important than squad relationships and romantic options. In order to be an immersive epic finale, we're going to need a good story and a good setting and good opportunities to identify with the protagonist (Shepard) and her/his inner circle. I think that our ability to identify with Shepard and to care about who s/he is is core to the experience.

Taking time out from saving the galaxy to go on a date, for example, is no more frivolous than taking time out from saving the galaxy to go to a remote system and try to retrieve some boxes of goods that TIM wants. I'd say it's more meaningful and adds more to our understanding of Shepard to do something character driven. Richer character interactions outside of the romance is a part of this. (This isn't a vote against side missions of other kinds, even fetch the boxes.) For side missions, their level of incongruity depends a fair bit on pacing in the game as a whole. BioWare, and most game developers, have an unfortunate habit of trying to get us engaged with a game by starting us off with Big Crisis that's a Race Against Time! Realistically, the Collector threat of ME2 isn't that time sensitive except at certain points of the main story, but they pitch it as dire. ME1's main story was a bit more driven, and it seemed sillier to go on digressions when Saren was racing towards the Conduit all the time. (But we did it anyway, because we knew it was a game, and deliberately disengaged from the immersion of "dire crisis!" for the sake of playing the content developed.) I'd say the opening act in ME3 could benefit from being an opportunity to focus on building up for the Reaper threat, building relationships, alliances, and doing the explore-the-galaxy thing justified with a veneer of looking for an edge. Many of these elements can also be added through expansion content for ME2, through fleshing out the core story (it could use quite a bit more meat on its bones), and especially if they add in some bridging plot to fill the narrative-weak void of the open exploration feature post-endgame.

All of that relates back to same-sex romances and why *I* want them back at the foundation of my argument. The ability to identify more with Shepard through a same-sex romance is potent for me. So is the opportunity to define different Shepards on subsequent play-throughs. I also have reasons that go beyond the strict confines of Mass Effect - the truly visceral appreciation I experience whenever any form of media represents people like me being among them - but these are frequently poo-poohed on the grounds that BioWare isn't obligated to make "political" statements. I see it more as a cultural statement, and every story makes numerous cultural statements and inferences by nature of what stories about people, even imaginary ones, are. But I'm also content to place emphasis on the fact that the character immersion and development options offered in-game alone shouldn't be underestimated. Richer, more inclusive and more diverse, relationship options can and will make a significant improvement to how we players connect with the game.