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[Servo to the bitter end]

Caprica9 wrote...
I do agree that they should handle
pointlessly rude posts better. But are you accusing me of "bashing"?
I'm simply stating facts. If they can't handle it, they should probably
get help for that.

Strictly speaking, you're stating "opinions" and "interpretations." As are we.

This keeps coming back to that Muzyka blurb. We believe it's a non-answer, and we've made our case as to why. You are just restating it without shedding any light on it. Please, explain why it precludes a gay Shepard. Explain how Mass Effect is a "third person narrative" any more or less than DA is. Make a case for your position. Right now you're just parroting.

Modifié par TommyServo, 30 mars 2010 - 07:39 .

[Nordic Einar]

onelifecrisis wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Nevermind. I googled that name and found a copy of the interview.

http://borderhousebl...?tag=ray-muzyka

Is this the one you've "debunked"?

That's the known stance of this CEO. Casey Hudson on the other hand said that Shepard is exactly the hero that we, as player, want him to be. With lots of options to choose from and many variations of looks, background, moral choices, interaction with other characters etc. etc... So, the project lead says exact the opposite to what the CEO says.

Let's not forget one very important fact - Femshep can identify as bisexual or homosexual.  Undeniably  and incontrovertibly.  Mshep cannot.  Why?  They're the same character, with the same defining characteristics, the same available backstories, and in most cases the same responses to a given situation.  

Yeah, which is why femshep walks and talks like a man. Or, to put it another way, like a butch lesbian. Maybe that's why some people (I presume) think her lesbian side fits the game well.

How many "butch lesbians" do you know personally, I wonder? Because I'm more than willing to bet I know far more, and uh... they act a heckuvalot different than femshep.

Y'know what FemShep acts like? A *soldier*. Funny, because that's exactly what she is.

[Caprica9]

Don't know who Muzyka is, but I've already stated why it would be impossible. I can't figure out if you all are being purposely oblivious so you won't have to face the truth or do you honestly not "get it". Reasoning seems to be absent in this forum.

[onelifecrisis]

LiquidGrape wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...


You don't think she walks and talks like a man? You're actually offended at the suggestion? Are you serious?

Credibility waning.
Your previous groundless assumptions aside, I was never aware of that men or "butch lesbians" walk and talk in defined manners.
- I believe you'll find that most people will take offense to stereotyping.

Christ! Touchy? You get your knickers in a twist at the mere mention of a stereotype?

FYI "butch lesbian" is a term I picked up from my mother (who, as I mentioned earlier, is a lesbian herself). Stereotypes are usually stereotypes for a reason. It doesn't mean everyone who fits the category will also fit the stereotype. My mother, for example, is anything but butch. Regardless, I directed it at a fictional character, not anyone here. A fictional character who, as we all know, shares the same body movements and dialogue lines as male Shepard. One can hardly fault my claim. Get all up in arms about it if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that they used male animations and dialogue on a woman, and that there is a pre-existing stereotype that accurately describes that sort of woman.

Jeez.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Caprica9 wrote...

Don't know who Muzyka is, but I've already stated why it would be impossible. I can't figure out if you all are being purposely oblivious so you won't have to face the truth or do you honestly not "get it". Reasoning seems to be absent in this forum.

Here's your reasoning why it would be impossible:

Yeah...this will never happen. Give it up guys.



And yes I did read your pointlessly lengthy opening post. All your ideas are silly, and man shep will never be homosexual.

That's not a reason.  That's a completely unsubstantiated opinion.

[JamesMoriarty123]

TommyServo wrote...

Strictly speaking, you're stating "opinions" and "interpretations." As are we.
This keeps coming back to that Muzyka blurb. We believe it's a non-answer, and we've made our case as to why. You are just restating it without shedding any light on it. Please, explain why it precludes a gay Shepard. Explain how Mass Effect is a "third person narrative" any more or less than DA is. Make a case for your position. Right now you're just parroting.

And you're hoping against hope.

Contrasting a game (Dragon Age) that has SS romance against the ME series means in all probability you aren't gonna see SS in ME. That's what contrast means, different, see. Go read Muzyka's post again, now that you know what "contrast" means.

Also, just let it die. You've made your point, ok, you'd like to see it. So just stfu now eh?

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 30 mars 2010 - 07:33 .

[Lightice_av]

Also, just let it die. You've made your point, ok, you'd like to see it. So just stfu now eh?

Why? The group's member number rises steadily. It might get over 1000 in a few months.

As mentioned countless of times, there is already gay romance in Mass Effect. This thread just seeks the same amount of options for both genders.

[Tirigon]

Caprica9 wrote...
Yeah...this will never happen. Give it up guys.



And yes I did read your pointlessly lengthy opening post. All your ideas are silly, and man shep will never be homosexual.

Actually, Shepard IS homosexual, at least if you romance Liara in ME1 or Kelly in ME2 as a female.



In addition, Shepard is your PC so for f*cks sake he / she / it is whatever you as Player want him / her / it to be.

Modifié par Tirigon, 30 mars 2010 - 07:41 .

[Caprica9]

TommyServo wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...

Don't know who Muzyka is, but I've already stated why it would be impossible. I can't figure out if you all are being purposely oblivious so you won't have to face the truth or do you honestly not "get it". Reasoning seems to be absent in this forum.

Here's your reasoning why it would be impossible:

Yeah...this will never happen. Give it up guys.



And yes I did read your pointlessly lengthy opening post. All your ideas are silly, and man shep will never be homosexual.

That's not a reason.  That's a completely unsubstantiated opinion.

Except I stated why it would be impossible in a post after that. Which you seem to have overlooked. And call me arrogant, but I do think it is a fact that he won't be homoseuxal int he next installment.

[Lightice_av]

Except I stated why it would be impossible in a post after that. Which you seem to have overlooked. And call me arrogant, but I do think it is a fact that he won't be homoseuxal int he next installment.

As Tali and Garrus fans have proved, all kinds of things are possible when there's enough support for an idea. If we don't try, we'll never find out. Don't you want to find out for real, instead of just baselessly speculating?

[Servo to the bitter end]

Caprica9 wrote...
Except I stated why it would be impossible in a post after that. Which you seem to have overlooked. And call me arrogant, but I do think it is a fact that he won't be homoseuxal int he next installment.

Here's what you wrote after that:

That's some fantastic logic you have there. But you forget the part
where the devs themselves said they weren't going to make him a
homosexual because it wouldn't fit the personality they created for
him. It makes since for The Warden since he was just a blank slate with
no personality. 

Nothing against gays, but it won't happen. Sorry.

I assumed you were referring to the Muzyka quote.  I addressed your comment above with that assumption in mind.  If you were referring to a different quote, you should link it.  So far, no official comments have unambiguously stated "no gay Shepard."

[Caprica9]

Tirigon wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...
Yeah...this will never happen. Give it up guys.



And yes I did read your pointlessly lengthy opening post. All your ideas are silly, and man shep will never be homosexual.

The lack of reading comprehension (or just reading) is astounding.

Actually, Shepard IS homosexual, at least if you romance Liara in ME1 or Kelly in ME2 as a female.



In addition, Shepard is your PC so for f*cks sake he / she / it is whatever you as Player want him / her / it to be.

The lack of reading comprehension is astounding...

Modifié par Caprica9, 30 mars 2010 - 07:44 .

[Arik7]

Caprica9 wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...

Don't know who Muzyka is, but I've already stated why it would be impossible. I can't figure out if you all are being purposely oblivious so you won't have to face the truth or do you honestly not "get it". Reasoning seems to be absent in this forum.

Here's your reasoning why it would be impossible:

Yeah...this will never happen. Give it up guys.



And yes I did read your pointlessly lengthy opening post. All your ideas are silly, and man shep will never be homosexual.

That's not a reason.  That's a completely unsubstantiated opinion.

Except I stated why it would be impossible in a post after that. Which you seem to have overlooked. And call me arrogant, but I do think it is a fact that he won't be homoseuxal int he next installment.

A gay male Shepard is impossible?!  People thought a romance with Garrus was impossible and we all know how that turned out.  Hopefully BioWare will listen to the fans once again and make it possible.

BioWare believes this is a legitimate request.  Go read Stanley Woo's post in this thread. 

[Caprica9]

TommyServo wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...
Except I stated why it would be impossible in a post after that. Which you seem to have overlooked. And call me arrogant, but I do think it is a fact that he won't be homoseuxal int he next installment.

Here's what you wrote after that:

That's some fantastic logic you have there. But you forget the part
where the devs themselves said they weren't going to make him a
homosexual because it wouldn't fit the personality they created for
him. It makes since for The Warden since he was just a blank slate with
no personality. 

Nothing against gays, but it won't happen. Sorry.

I assumed you were referring to the Muzyka quote.  I addressed your comment above with that assumption in mind.  If you were referring to a different quote, you should link it.  So far, no official comments have unambiguously stated "no gay Shepard."

I think Muzyka being CEO makes that pretty official.

[Tirigon]

Caprica9 wrote...

The lack of reading comprehension is astounding...

Sorry, but I neither have the time nor the will to read 171 pages of mainly pointless comments.

So I´ll just limit me to stating facts, if that´s all right with you. (And to be honest, if it isn´t, I will still doB))

[Arik7]

Caprica9, Muzyka's quote has already been addressed in the FAQ. No need to repeat the same arguments again.

[Caprica9]

Arik7 wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...

Don't know who Muzyka is, but I've already stated why it would be impossible. I can't figure out if you all are being purposely oblivious so you won't have to face the truth or do you honestly not "get it". Reasoning seems to be absent in this forum.

Here's your reasoning why it would be impossible:

Yeah...this will never happen. Give it up guys.



And yes I did read your pointlessly lengthy opening post. All your ideas are silly, and man shep will never be homosexual.

That's not a reason.  That's a completely unsubstantiated opinion.

Except I stated why it would be impossible in a post after that. Which you seem to have overlooked. And call me arrogant, but I do think it is a fact that he won't be homoseuxal int he next installment.

A gay male Shepard is impossible?!  People thought a romance with Garrus was impossible and we all know how that turned out.  Hopefully BioWare will listen to the fans once again and make it possible.

BioWare believes this is a legitimate request.  Go read Stanley Woo's post in this thread. 

We'll see mate.

[Lightice_av]

I think Muzyka being CEO makes that pretty official.

You are assuming that he is saying what you think he is. Read more carefully; he consistently and deliberately avoids the root of the question, instead leading the discussion to a sidetrack - if you took it as a direct answer, it would be an outright lie, since FemShep can already be homosexual.

[Caprica9]

Tirigon wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...

The lack of reading comprehension is astounding...

Sorry, but I neither have the time nor the will to read 171 pages of mainly pointless comments.

So I´ll just limit me to stating facts, if that´s all right with you. (And to be honest, if it isn´t, I will still doB))

It's one page...I haven't even been posting in this thread until today.

[Cootie]

Caprica9 wrote...

We'll see mate.

That we will. I, for one, would be very disappointed with Bioware if you're proven correct.
Fortunately, however, not everything is set in stone, and we can remain hopeful that we turn some heads with this discussion.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Caprica9 wrote...
I think Muzyka being CEO makes that pretty official.

So far, no official comments have unambiguously stated "no gay Shepard."

Read the blurb.  Read my emphasis.  Explain why you think that his words unambiguously answer that question.

Again, we've stated our position on this particularly quotation - you're just parroting.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Lightice_av wrote...

I think Muzyka being CEO makes that pretty official.

You are assuming that he is saying what you think he is. Read more carefully; he consistently and deliberately avoids the root of the question, instead leading the discussion to a sidetrack - if you took it as a direct answer, it would be an outright lie, since FemShep can already be homosexual.

Specifically, the fact that Shepard can be male or female invalidates the statement all by itself.

Modifié par TommyServo, 30 mars 2010 - 07:56 .

[Caprica9]

TommyServo wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...
I think Muzyka being CEO makes that pretty official.

So far, no official comments have unambiguously stated "no gay Shepard."

Read the blurb.  Read my emphasis.  Explain why you think that his words unambiguously answer that question.

Again, we've stated our position on this particularly quotation - you're just parroting.

If he stated what I stated then I think that pretty much answers your question.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Caprica9 wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

MShep's no less a blank slate than FemShep, and arguably no less a blank slate than Warden. Frankly, given the spread between 'I'd give thresher maws a chance to live if they would talk to me' and 'I'd shoot you all right now if there wasn't a mandatory dialogue plot hurdle,' I'm not seeing how Shep's game personality is in any way set. Not to mention how little it would impact his sexuality anyway - there's nothing about Shep's 'personality' in game that screams straight or gay.

Yeah no, if you're seriously going to sit there and tell me that Shepard has the same amount of personality as The Warden you're just being daft. 

Yeah. 'You're just being daft' isn't an actual argument. I don't see the difference.

Exactly.

Except...not exactly. I've played both games extensively, including every possible background on both characters. In neither franchise (counting ME1 & 2 together on this) has there appeared to be any real limitation on 'personality' for the main character - Warden and Shep can both range from crapping puppies and farting rainbows to oozing malevolence and being a general dick, including everything in between. There's a point A to point B (eventually) story arc, but the customisation for the PC reactions - the only real measure of 'personality' - is very much in the hands of the player. On those measures, I don't see how anyone could reasonably argue that the 'personality' of Shepard is more set in stone than it is for Warden.

More to the point, I reiterate that MShep is no less a blank slate game-wise than FemShep in all the ways that matter to the game - their personalities are equally void, to be filled in by the player. The only instance where they differ is in the choice of LIs and sexuality - FemShep inexplicably being able to select from celibacy through bi, gay, and straight. There is no explanation for this, and IMO it's not justifiable given the lack of constraint between them in all other areas.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Caprica9 wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

Caprica9 wrote...
I think Muzyka being CEO makes that pretty official.

So far, no official comments have unambiguously stated "no gay Shepard."

Read the blurb.  Read my emphasis.  Explain why you think that his words unambiguously answer that question.

Again, we've stated our position on this particularly quotation - you're just parroting.

If he stated what I stated then I think that pretty much answers your question.

He didn't.