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[Juztinb42]

comicfan22 wrote...

Shepard having a child or not is not a part of this topic conversation. Start a new topic yourself. This is about the possibility of a same sex romance option in Mass Effect 2 or 3, not Mass Effect- Child Support.

I guess you didn't read my first post, huh?

[Juztinb42]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

How can having kids not be a part of action-RPGs if BioWare include sex and romance? Sex and romance = kids.

That's pretty much a perspective thing, again. I know that sex and romance != kids, myself. Whether Shep wants kids seems like one of those things that'd be up to the player (I severely hope it'd be up to the player, anyway), and it's unlikely that either sex of Shep would be reproducing when the Reapers are still on their way. Afterwards, maybe. Maybe.

Still doesn't impact the arguments for inclusion of m/m romance(s) in ME3 or ME2 DLC, though.

BioWare makes decisions for the player in between games.  The player wasn't able to choose whether or not he wanted to hunt down the rest of the Geth.  The player wasn't able to say he wanted to sit in a club and waste away the rest of his days.  There are a lot of things that the player could have chosen to do, but BioWare limited that choice.  And I bet they will do this especially with DLC, considering it is completely optional to get.  My point is that they may limit your choice as far as whether you want a child or not.

That's why I said ME2 or ME3 DLC.  And like I said before, Shepard already promised Jacob to have a drink with him when they defeat the Collectors.  He's obviously going to take at least a little time off in between ME2 and 3.  In that time, he may find someone to have a child with.

[Arik7]

Back to the topic at hand:

[Juztinb42]

Arik7 wrote...

Back to the topic at hand:

Sorry did I derail the thread by offering an opinion that differs from your own?

[Nordic Einar]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Back to the topic at hand:

Sorry did I derail the thread by offering an opinion that differs from your own?

No, you derailed the thread by brining up something that has nothing to do with same-sex romances in ME2/ME3, except tangentially.

As an aside - I'm a gay male. I've donated sperm to a sperm bank. If one of my lesbian friends takes that sperm to have a child, we're suddenly not gay? Hilarious.

[comicfan22]

You are allowed to have a differing opinion, you are allowed to disagree
but you are not being fair by derailing this post. Read Mass Effect Ascension if you would like to become enlightened on your proposed subject.


Like I have said, if you are adamant about Shepard possibly having a kid please make a new post. This thread is about having a way to implement a s/s option for ME 2 or ME 3. Please stop attempting to change the subject to Mass Effect- Child Support.

[Juztinb42]

Nordic Einar wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Back to the topic at hand:

Sorry did I derail the thread by offering an opinion that differs from your own?

No, you derailed the thread by brining up something that has nothing to do with same-sex romances in ME2/ME3, except tangentially.

As an aside - I'm a gay male. I've donated sperm to a sperm bank. If one of my lesbian friends takes that sperm to have a child, we're suddenly not gay? Hilarious.

I'm not seeing how it is completely unrelated.  I gave valid proof as to why homsexual romances won't happen.

Well, you mated with a female, which I'd say qualifies as heterosexual.

[Juztinb42]

comicfan22 wrote...

You are allowed to have a differing opinion, you are allowed to disagree
but you are not being fair by derailing this post. Read Mass Effect Ascension if you would like to become enlightened on your proposed subject.


Like I have said, if you are adamant about Shepard possibly having a kid please make a new post. This thread is about having a way to implement a s/s option for ME 2 or ME 3. Please stop attempting to change the subject to Mass Effect- Child Support.

I'm not...

I told you why it won't happen, and you basically told me I can only argue with you on your own terms.

[Arik7]

Here's an interesting article *on topic* :
www.pcgia.com/index.php
"The obvious answer is that Bioware has little qualms in providing for the heterosexual male gamer's fantasy, but that sexual equality and maturity in dealing with it are not high on the company's priority list. It would seem they feel it important to include, more often than not, some semblance of sexuality in their games, but that discussing it is simply out of the question.

This is unfortunate, as the company has the power to make great strides toward sexual equality in video games, if only they chose to do so. Perhaps Bioware would do well to hire on a few women or homosexual men, as these seem the vast majority of gamers with the balls to say what Bioware will not."

[SimonTheFrog]

@ Shepards Child



Sure, having a child could somehow be an interesting plot. Especially since "daddy issues" are apparently en vogue by the writers. But there are more obstacles than gay romances.

1.) Players may not have romanced at all

2.) Players may have romanced but then avoided getting physical in the end

3.) Players may have dated Liara, which would be pretty different from other babies

4.) Players may have dated Tali, Thane or Garrus, which wouldn't result in a baby



So, same sex relationships are the least of the problems here.



As i said, theoretically having a child COULD be interesting, but with the options the players had sofar, this is very very unlikely and only possible with massive retcon or forced plot twists. Either way, this has really not much to do with our thread here.

[Nordic Einar]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Nordic Einar wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Back to the topic at hand:

Sorry did I derail the thread by offering an opinion that differs from your own?

No, you derailed the thread by brining up something that has nothing to do with same-sex romances in ME2/ME3, except tangentially.

As an aside - I'm a gay male. I've donated sperm to a sperm bank. If one of my lesbian friends takes that sperm to have a child, we're suddenly not gay? Hilarious.

I'm not seeing how it is completely unrelated.  I gave valid proof as to why homsexual romances won't happen.

Well, you mated with a female, which I'd say qualifies as heterosexual.

Actually, I'm fairly certain the definition of heterosexual is having a sexual attraction to members of the opposite sex. How exactly does artificial insemination make me heterosexual? I think you're either intentionally being obtuse, or trolling me. Or both.

[Juztinb42]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

@ Shepards Child

Sure, having a child could somehow be an interesting plot. Especially since "daddy issues" are apparently en vogue by the writers. But there are more obstacles than gay romances.
1.) Players may not have romanced at all
2.) Players may have romanced but then avoided getting physical in the end
3.) Players may have dated Liara, which would be pretty different from other babies
4.) Players may have dated Tali, Thane or Garrus, which wouldn't result in a baby

So, same sex relationships are the least of the problems here.

As i said, theoretically having a child COULD be interesting, but with the options the players had sofar, this is very very unlikely and only possible with massive retcon or forced plot twists. Either way, this has really not much to do with our thread here.

1) It occurs between ME2 and ME3 or after ME3
2) It occurs between ME2 and ME3 or after ME3
3) It occurs between ME2 and ME3 or after ME3
4) It occurs between ME2 and ME3 or after ME3

Shepard being forced to hunt down the Geth after ME1 wasn't forced then?  Yes, it does have a lot to do with the thread.  If, eventually, there is DLC involving Shepard's child, he must be straight.

Modifié par Juztinb42, 31 mars 2010 - 02:54 .

[Juztinb42]

Nordic Einar wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Nordic Einar wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Back to the topic at hand:

Sorry did I derail the thread by offering an opinion that differs from your own?

No, you derailed the thread by brining up something that has nothing to do with same-sex romances in ME2/ME3, except tangentially.

As an aside - I'm a gay male. I've donated sperm to a sperm bank. If one of my lesbian friends takes that sperm to have a child, we're suddenly not gay? Hilarious.

I'm not seeing how it is completely unrelated.  I gave valid proof as to why homsexual romances won't happen.

Well, you mated with a female, which I'd say qualifies as heterosexual.

Actually, I'm fairly certain the definition of heterosexual is having a sexual attraction to members of the opposite sex. How exactly does artificial insemination make me heterosexual? I think you're either intentionally being obtuse, or trolling me. Or both.

Because you mated with a member of the opposite sex.  It could also be defined as someone who has sexual relations with the opposite sex.

[Nordic Einar]

Double post ftl

Modifié par Nordic Einar, 31 mars 2010 - 02:55 .

[Nordic Einar]

Double post >(

Modifié par Nordic Einar, 31 mars 2010 - 02:54 .

[Juztinb42]

Nordic Einar wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

@ Shepards Child

Sure, having a child could somehow be an interesting plot. Especially since "daddy issues" are apparently en vogue by the writers. But there are more obstacles than gay romances.
1.) Players may not have romanced at all
2.) Players may have romanced but then avoided getting physical in the end
3.) Players may have dated Liara, which would be pretty different from other babies
4.) Players may have dated Tali, Thane or Garrus, which wouldn't result in a baby

So, same sex relationships are the least of the problems here.

As i said, theoretically having a child COULD be interesting, but with the options the players had sofar, this is very very unlikely and only possible with massive retcon or forced plot twists. Either way, this has really not much to do with our thread here.

1) It occurs between ME2 or after ME3
2) It occurs between ME2 or after ME3
3) It occurs between ME2 or after ME3
4) It occurs between ME2 or after ME3

Shepard being forced to hunt down the Geth after ME1 wasn't forced then?  Yes, it does have a lot to do with the thread.  If, eventually, there is DLC involving Shepard's child, he must be straight.

No he doesn't. There are many homosexual couples, or single homosexual individuals, raising children. Having children has absolutely nothing to do with an individual's sexuality.

Just wondering, did you read my first post?  An adopted child and his/her parent will never have the same connection as a child and his/her actual parent.  Shepard might take a bullet for his adopted son/daughter, but I can guarantee he won't do it before some hesitation.

Thus, the meaning of the DLC will be seriously diminished if he has less of a connection to the child.

Edit:  I should probably get some sleep.  Just letting you know so you don't think I'm backing out of the argument.

Modifié par Juztinb42, 31 mars 2010 - 02:58 .

[comicfan22]

Juztinb42 wrote...

I'm not...

I told you why it won't happen, and you basically told me I can only argue with you on your own terms.

Man, Simon beat me to it . Needless to say I URGE you to read the book Mass Effect Ascension. I cannot stress that enough to you if you wish to be enlightened about your proposed idea.


Besides, you have zero proof that such a dlc exists. Please provide proof to support your claim or stop trying to justify something that doesn't/hasn't exist/ed. This is not the board to have this arguement. If you would like to implement such a suggestion please create a new thread but don't continue it here.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Nordic Einar wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Nordic Einar wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Back to the topic at hand:

Sorry did I derail the thread by offering an opinion that differs from your own?

No, you derailed the thread by brining up something that has nothing to do with same-sex romances in ME2/ME3, except tangentially.

As an aside - I'm a gay male. I've donated sperm to a sperm bank. If one of my lesbian friends takes that sperm to have a child, we're suddenly not gay? Hilarious.

I'm not seeing how it is completely unrelated.  I gave valid proof as to why homsexual romances won't happen.

Well, you mated with a female, which I'd say qualifies as heterosexual.

Actually, I'm fairly certain the definition of heterosexual is having a sexual attraction to members of the opposite sex. How exactly does artificial insemination make me heterosexual? I think you're either intentionally being obtuse, or trolling me. Or both.

Because you mated with a member of the opposite sex.  It could also be defined as someone who has sexual relations with the opposite sex.

That doesn't make any sense.  Its just basically splicing cells that doesn't count as mating.

[SimonTheFrog]

Juztinb42 wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

@ Shepards Child

Sure, having a child could somehow be an interesting plot. Especially since "daddy issues" are apparently en vogue by the writers. But there are more obstacles than gay romances.
1.) Players may not have romanced at all
2.) Players may have romanced but then avoided getting physical in the end
3.) Players may have dated Liara, which would be pretty different from other babies
4.) Players may have dated Tali, Thane or Garrus, which wouldn't result in a baby

So, same sex relationships are the least of the problems here.

As i said, theoretically having a child COULD be interesting, but with the options the players had sofar, this is very very unlikely and only possible with massive retcon or forced plot twists. Either way, this has really not much to do with our thread here.

1) It occurs between ME2 or after ME3
2) It occurs between ME2 or after ME3
3) It occurs between ME2 or after ME3
4) It occurs between ME2 or after ME3

Shepard being forced to hunt down the Geth after ME1 wasn't forced then?  Yes, it does have a lot to do with the thread.  If, eventually, there is DLC involving Shepard's child, he must be straight.

1.) He must be dating at all
1.1.) Which means he cannot stay faithful to ME1 LI's
2.) He must be dating certain LI's, namely humans

Again, same sex LI's are the least of the problems here. 
In this constellation, a child as DLC or plot related seems very, very difficult to implement.

[Nordic Einar]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Shepard being forced to hunt down the Geth after ME1 wasn't forced then?  Yes, it does have a lot to do with the thread.  If, eventually, there is DLC involving Shepard's child, he must be straight.

No Shepard does not have to be straight. There are MANY gay couples, or single gay people, who have and raise children. Having children has nothing to do with sexuality.

Juztinb42 wrote...

Because you mated with a member of the
opposite sex.  It could also be defined as someone who has sexual
relations with the opposite sex.

Artificial insemination
!= "mating with someone of the opposite sex". You're being obtuse.

[Arik7]

Jeebus, people.  Some posts are self-explanatory and do not require a response.  Now where were we?

[Zinoviy]

Haha, awesome.

[sw33ts]

I see what Juztinb42 is saying it just doesn't make any sense with what people have brought up. If bioware for SURE wants Shepard of any sex to have a child down the road for the story then you'd think they'd FORCE you into a relationship, but if I wanted I could turn down ever single one of them and then there goes bioware's supposed story.



Your point holds no water because bioware doesn't force anyone to be in a relationship or consummate it. It's not like EDI's goes we can't go in relay the Commander, you've yet to impregnate someone.

[HexHammer]

Honestly I got a bit disappointed that my female Shep didn't take on that Justicar! Heck, she looks yong enough!

[SimonTheFrog]

Well, they COULD make an optional Baby-DLC for the players that have a straight human LI.

But that would

a.) only work for a part of the players (and make the others go nuts)

and b.) not interfere with same sex relationships. They just would be in the same crowd with the non-romancers and the alien-romancers.



So, what's the point?