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Ryzaki wrote...
I think alot of people are missing two words: VIDEO GAME
'Tis ment to be fun. :"( Logical and concise but fun (and sometimes logic and coherency goes bye bye when it comes to fun time.)
Octorox wrote...
but your suggestion involves me not only having control of Shepard, but also of every other character in my ME universe. As Shepard I do everything in my power to change things in my world and customize myself however I want, but I shouldn't have the power to make NPC's orientations the way I want them to be. I like the idea that my Shepard is my character who is dropped into this living, breathing universe, not an all powerful character who the universe revolves around. I also don't like the idea of relationships dependent upon numbers and stats...
Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 26 février 2010 - 07:22 .
Collider wrote...
I'm sorry you feel this way, because I have made no intentional effort to any way imply that I thought most same sex supports feel they are entitled.
Jimmy Fury wrote...
Octorox wrote...
but your suggestion involves me not only having control of Shepard, but also of every other character in my ME universe. As Shepard I do everything in my power to change things in my world and customize myself however I want, but I shouldn't have the power to make NPC's orientations the way I want them to be. I like the idea that my Shepard is my character who is dropped into this living, breathing universe, not an all powerful character who the universe revolves around. I also don't like the idea of relationships dependent upon numbers and stats...
Just a quick thought.
You already have the ability to control all the other squad members. You select their skills and abilities, their weapons, their armor, and uhm... that one really big important thing that comes up at the end that is a spoiler so I won't say it by name but uhm... it's a big deal to those characters... yeah...
Again though, just a thought.
Modifié par Octorox, 26 février 2010 - 07:27 .
'Octorox wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
I think alot of people are missing two words: VIDEO GAME
'Tis ment to be fun. :"( Logical and concise but fun (and sometimes logic and coherency goes bye bye when it comes to fun time.)
How about INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCE
It's meant to be emotionally engaging and believable. I'd just play Mario or something if all I was looking for was fun. I'm looking for being immersed in another world with a gripping plot, and deep and realistic characters.
Believe me a video game can have the most epic story eva! If no one has fun playing it it won't sell well. That's why Ninetendo constantly crushes the competition. You think ME2 would have sold as well if they focused on the storyline and the gameplay itself wasn't fun? Pfft. But its primary function is to be fun. If people aren't having fun playing your game. You've FAILED. Its nice to have a good, engaging storyline but there are games (Like MGS4) that are called "Interactive movies" because of failing to balance storytelling and gameplay. 
) and are very emotionally engaging. That's what they're good out. They've found a way to balance humor, drama and influencing the game world in a interactive and fun experience.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 07:32 .
Heavensrun wrote...
If they decide to make Tali bi, I would hope that it shows up in ME3, possibly with a "I felt this way about you back then, but I felt awkward about propositioning another woman....I never thought of myself that way" kind of line.
Octorox wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
I think alot of people are missing two words: VIDEO GAME
'Tis ment to be fun. :"( Logical and concise but fun (and sometimes logic and coherency goes bye bye when it comes to fun time.)
How about INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCE
It's meant to be emotionally engaging and believable. I'd just play Mario or something if all I was looking for was fun. I'm looking for being immersed in another world with a gripping plot, and deep and realistic characters.
Implying that someone wanting an immersive story in a video game should read a book instead.Ryzaki wrote...
Then read a book.
If you aren't having fun just because you can't have your man on man fantasies detailed on screen, that's your loss.Gameplay > Storyline most of the time.
Collider wrote...
[i]Implying that someone wanting an immersive story in a video game should read a book instead.Ryzaki wrote...
Then read a book.
If you aren't having fun just because you can't have your man on man fantasies detailed on screen, that's your loss.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 07:35 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Then read a book.
A game can be fun AND an interactive experience.
Gameplay > Storyline most of the time.
Why do you think games like Halo, MW, Rock Band constantly bulldoze anything else? Because of GAMEPLAY. Its FUN. They don't have epic storylines, deep moving characters. They are FUN.
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Madmelendez wrote..
Yes but Mass Effect still isn't a dating sim. Yes Bioware put in the romances and worked very hard on it but its still optional and not needed. And realisticly not everyone in the world is gay or lesbian. So is it really a huge deal that one series of a bioware doesn't have a m/m relationship?
Reread what you said. The poster you were responding to said he wanted an immersive story, otherwise he'd just play mario instead. your response? "Then just read a book."Ryzaki wrote...
Wow. Dude. Comprehension fail.
That is totally not what I meant.
No, it still stands because you were unable to effectively communicate your point.You should use that facepalm pic on yourself.
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Correct , to further the species through extracting genetic material from either male or female races.But for all points they're female in every way possible.
Grunt420 wrote...
is female Shepard gay in mass effect 2
Collider wrote...
Reread what you said. The poster you were responding to said he wanted an immersive story, otherwise he'd just play mario instead. your response? "Then just read a book."
Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 07:39 .
SkullandBonesmember wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Then read a book.
A game can be fun AND an interactive experience.
Gameplay > Storyline most of the time.
Why do you think games like Halo, MW, Rock Band constantly bulldoze anything else? Because of GAMEPLAY. Its FUN. They don't have epic storylines, deep moving characters. They are FUN.
Well, since you place such a high priority on 'SPLOSHUNS, you probably don't know about Heavy Rain. Or at least the critical acclaim it has gotten since release. Many people want story driven games and will welcome them with open arms.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 07:45 .
Jimmy Fury wrote...
Grunt420 wrote...
is female Shepard gay in mass effect 2
She can hit on Kelly, Samara, and Morinth.
So yes, she can be.
Octorox wrote...
Yes, danman that was a bit out of line. You really need more of an argument than "why should they?" and to call other forumgoers "angry people" for expressing their opinions is a bit absurd...
rynluna wrote...
Madmelendez wrote..
Yes but Mass Effect still isn't a dating sim. Yes Bioware put in the romances and worked very hard on it but its still optional and not needed. And realisticly not everyone in the world is gay or lesbian. So is it really a huge deal that one series of a bioware doesn't have a m/m relationship?
It is when they allow female shep to be a lesbian and male shep can't be gay.
Octorox wrote...
asaiasai wrote...
Octorox wrote...
asaiasai wrote...
I agree with the OP and i support relationships for the PC with any NPC regardless of sex. It should not matter to anyone how an individual wants to play thier character, this whole discussion to me is like trying to debate a character build. One infiltrator build versus another infiltrator build in a game where neither builds will be pitted against each other, is somewhat specious, it should have been in from the beginning. The option for whatever romance the player wants to engage in should have been included from ME just like it was in DAO.
I think the simplest way to resovle this issue is to open up the romances to any NPC but the player MUST build the character to make it possible. Let me explain by example.
In both games we have stats called persuasion/intimidation that influences the NPC's attitudes towards the PC. If a male shep wanted to engage in a relationship with Garrus or Jacob they would need to build a higher persuasion character at the detriment of another stat like weapon accuracy. The player would have to make a consious decision to build for a specific romance where it would take less persuasion/intimidation for the same PC to romance Jack or Tali, as the relationship is more "traditional".
Now i also think that taking my idea above and adding to it a specific dialog option to initate a romance with any NPC, something along the lines of "Express Romantic Interest". The player would HAVE to select that option while in a conversation with the character of thier choice, they would also need sufficent persuasion/intimidation before the dialog option would even present itself.
I know what some folks are thinking why is there a penalty for this type of option? Look at it more of a way to compromise. I am a hetero male who drives nothing but femsheps, I am willing to trade a few stat points to engage in a F/F romance of my choice, it really is more of a matter of how you look at it, the folks for who this would not be an option will use thier stat points elsewhere. In the end seriously does 10% less accuracy and a 2 sec longer cool down in order to build enough persuasion points to engage in the romance partner of your choice really matter? This seems to be a way to provide the options with out really having to call any more attention to them.
Just a thought
Asai
Now this is exactly what I'm against. Everyone is the galaxy shouldn't be straight but they shouldn't all be bi either. Being able to romance ANY character regardless of their sexual orientation would just ruin the idea of romance in Mass Effect for me.
You are missing the point entirely, it is a single player experience, what MY universe offers as opposed to what YOUR universe offers SHOULD be completely different experiences. It is already a completely different experience because you build your character differently than i would build mine. The precedent is already in the game because of the choices you made in your build means you approach combat differently than i do already. My way creates an opportunity for for the player to play in a universe of thier choice. If you do not want to have a same sex romance then do not spend the additional points to necessary to boost your persuasion to a level sufficient to enter in a same sex romance.
I will attempt to be more concise.
Taking the curent player options for builds there are 8 stats in ME2 that determine the effectivness of the player in combat or interactions with the NPCs. To max out the persuasion/intimidation stat requires 10 total points. At 6 points expended all store discounts and dialog options are open, you as a player do not need to max out your persuasion/intimidation stat because you will not be looking to engage in a same sex romance, in a sense you max out at 6 where as i max out at 10, because the option to engage in same sex romances is more important to me than maxing out another stat. You never have to worry about a dialog option even popping up in a conversation with a same sex crew member because your stats will not allow it. The choice for a same sex romance becomes a consious choice, that i have to choose to make, period.
What you seem to be saying is that i have to play in your universe, which in a sense i already am right up until i spend the additional 4 points necessary to max out my persuasion/intimidation stat. It is only then that my universe changes compared to your universe, and that change is a small one. You will never have to play in my universe and that is fine by me, all i am saying is that you should be willing to allow me the same courtsey that i am extending to you. This is imho the simplest compromise because it puts the onus on the player to consiously make the choice that in reality should be thier's to make anyway.
Asai
but your suggestion involves me not only having control of Shepard, but also of every other character in my ME universe. As Shepard I do everything in my power to change things in my world and customize myself however I want, but I shouldn't have the power to make NPC's orientations the way I want them to be. I like the idea that my Shepard is my character who is dropped into this living, breathing universe, not an all powerful character who the universe revolves around. I also don't like the idea of relationships dependent upon numbers and stats...
a few other examples:Grunt420 wrote...
Jimmy Fury wrote...
Grunt420 wrote...
is female Shepard gay in mass effect 2
She can hit on Kelly, Samara, and Morinth.
So yes, she can be.
thats about it nothing esle happens
Grunt420 wrote...
thats about it nothing esle happens
hahaha, ftwJimmy Fury wrote...
The fact that she can't have sex with 3 of them just makes her a very frustrated lesbian.
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