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[Cootie]

Orkchop wrote...

I'm amazed how people can be so against an option. KOTOR had an option to be full on Dark Side evil, it wasn't forced on anyone and it was a great game because of it.

And it's not like we're asking Bioware to add a stereotypical gay character to the game, either. Garrus has no romantic interest in the female Sheppard until she brings it up. All we want is something like that for same sex party members.

You sort of should specify that the romancing has to have an ending, too. Because right now, they do take a romantic interest, but then it just stops.
Yay.

[Kokkostan]

I somehow support this, but only because it is Mass Effect. In DA:O I felt that every romance option was pretty shallow and with that same sex romance (especially gay) would feel like cheap advertising. Altough I'm straight myself and my male-Shep romances women, I don't think it would be like something would been taken from me if somebody would get this option. Besides, with movie-like skills Bioware has with ME, some growing tension inside the crew and hard choices would be interesting. So yes, I support it, but only if it will be made seriously and somebody keeps those hungry yaoi-fangirls on the leash!

[kreite]

 no

[LiquidGrape]

kreite wrote...

 no

And the award for most asinine addition to the topic goes to...

[Kokkostan]

jynthor wrote...
How about us hungry Yuri fanboys   

I just pretend you don't exist. XD Jk

[onelifecrisis]

Wittand25 wrote...

It is actually more likely than the fact that out of seven possible female squadmembers in both ME!+2 all are sexually intrested in a male Shepard and only one of them has the selfcontrol to keep her hands of him.

I initially thought the same thing, but then I remembered Matt. Matt is the lead singer in a very successful rock band - a band in which my cousin is the bass guitar player. My cousin got me a back stage pass to one of their concerts once, and the way the groupies all huddled and posed and flirted around Matt after the show... was unbelievable. They say seeing is believing, but sometimes it just isn't. They might as well have been shouting "pick me! pick me!" I got the impression that he could have picked several of them and they'd have been fine with that. Bastard. Anyway, Shepard is, well, Shepard. Saviour of the Citadel. So after some consideration I decided it was actually fairly realistic that everything in a skirt wants to get in his pants.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

It is actually more likely than the fact that out of seven possible female squadmembers in both ME!+2 all are sexually intrested in a male Shepard and only one of them has the selfcontrol to keep her hands of him.

I initially thought the same thing, but then I remembered Matt. Matt is the lead singer in a very successful rock band - a band in which my cousin is the bass guitar player. My cousin got me a back stage pass to one of their concerts once, and the way the groupies all huddled and posed and flirted around Matt after the show... was unbelievable. They say seeing is believing, but sometimes it just isn't. They might as well have been shouting "pick me! pick me!" I got the impression that he could have picked several of them and they'd have been fine with that. Bastard. Anyway, Shepard is, well, Shepard. Saviour of the Citadel. So after some consideration I decided it was actually fairly realistic that everything in a skirt wants to get in his pants.

Groupies aren't quite the same as an elite para-military team of professionals, though. If nothing else, you expect a little more discipline when on the job.

That said, I think you're right in comparing the tone - it's a story conceit based on portraying all flavours of Shepard as concentrated badass. Though to me, this ends up leading to the question of why there's a character sex-check coded at all for any of the LIs. If the idea is that Shepard is just that desirable - a point driven home by the Liara and Garrus romances especially - then why does it matter which sex the character is? It's Shepard they're attracted to.

[minnervas]

the choice of who they pick would be of that of the player, adding the ability to choose ANY one they want be it. male and female. male and male, female and male, female and female. is just THEIR decision. from what i see, sexual attraction is like religion meaning that everyone has their own and no one is wrong as long as its not forced on them and its an option, that is why when Jehovah witness get chased out of my house. not because i think their religion is wrong but because they give their opinion and i say "thanks for letting me know but this religion is not for me so i am not going to pick it". and then the lady say "You Must because its the right religion". to make discussion short, when you are given the option and a male character hits on your male character remember that bioware is making the game immersible and you can either be a retard about it and rage or be the better person and press the "sorry, not interested" and go choose the one you actually want.



side note. picking a lesbian or gay is no different than telling a girl "sorry love, i am more into brunets" ITS A CHOICE you can say "sorry i am not into guys" and walk away.

[Blackveldt]

minnervas wrote...

the choice of who they pick would be of that of the player, adding the ability to choose ANY one they want be it. male and female. male and male, female and male, female and female. is just THEIR decision. from what i see, sexual attraction is like religion meaning that everyone has their own and no one is wrong as long as its not forced on them and its an option, that is why when Jehovah witness get chased out of my house. not because i think their religion is wrong but because they give their opinion and i say "thanks for letting me know but this religion is not for me so i am not going to pick it". and then the lady say "You Must because its the right religion". to make discussion short, when you are given the option and a male character hits on your male character remember that bioware is making the game immersible and you can either be a retard about it and rage or be the better person and press the "sorry, not interested" and go choose the one you actually want.

side note. picking a lesbian or gay is no different than telling a girl "sorry love, i am more into brunets" ITS A CHOICE you can say "sorry i am not into guys" and walk away.

First of all, comparing religion to sexual attraction is perhaps one of the most ridiculous analogies I have come across in awhile.

Secondly, a significant number of studies have shown that there is a genetic factor at work.  I could actually not only cite these for you, but summarize them as well.  Thing is, I have done this before and I am getting rather tired of explaining such facts to someone who has not even bothered to research the subject about which they are discussing.

[Lightice_av]

First of all, comparing religion to sexual attraction is perhaps one of the most ridiculous analogies I have come across in awhile.

I'm pretty sure that he's only talking about sexual orientiation within the context of a video game; in a game like Mass Effect your sexuality is very much a choice, just like your past is - video games aren't exactly like real life, after all.

[Blackveldt]

Lightice_av wrote...

First of all, comparing religion to sexual attraction is perhaps one of the most ridiculous analogies I have come across in awhile.

I'm pretty sure that he's only talking about sexual orientiation within the context of a video game; in a game like Mass Effect your sexuality is very much a choice, just like your past is - video games aren't exactly like real life, after all.

Perhaps at first, but the series of overhead statements using the pronoun 'I,' followed by a side note led me to believe otherwise.

Despite this, even in the context of a game, comparing religion to sexual attraction is still ridiculous.

[minnervas]

Lightice_av wrote...

First of all, comparing religion to sexual attraction is perhaps one of the most ridiculous analogies I have come across in awhile.

I'm pretty sure that he's only talking about sexual orientiation within the context of a video game; in a game like Mass Effect your sexuality is very much a choice, just like your past is

yup, if bioware makes a game that lets gay people chose a guy for his lover or a lesbian a girl for her partner its their choice in the game play. as for the religion and sexual preference being compared, if you think about it they are both the same, both are choices made.

on a side note: it is now a law that if a religious person visits your house and attempts to pressure their religion on to you,  you can call the police and by law cops will arrest them if they choose not to leave. so should be with all other things, you have a right to an opinion. if you try to force something on someone else, then your ass should be kicked to the curb.

[Fade9wayz]

Before the fireworks  explode, please remember to stay on-topic. This is not a thread about the origins of homosexuality.

I know you are hitching to

[Maria Caliban]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...
Did your Shepard time-warp from pre-Revolutionary France? 

...but I like the way you think.

*tea spew*

Please put a warning on future funny pics. Thank you.

[Siansonea]

One thing to remember is that including male/male LI options isn't just for gay people. I have multiple Shepards, male and female, and each one has a distinct personality. I would like the option of having a gay male Shepard for my group, even though I am a heterosexual female in 'real life'. That needs to be part of Bioware's decision-making equation.

[Maria Caliban]

Actually, if someone comes to your house and refuses to leave, the police will arrest them in all 50 states. It has nothing to do with religion.

[Lightice_av]

Actually, if someone comes to your house and refuses to leave, the police will arrest them in all 50 states. It has nothing to do with religion.

I'm yet to encounter any Jehova's Witnesses or other religious denominations who'd actually do that. They generally understand that it's not going to bring them recruits but restraining orders. They much rather lobby for laws that seek to force people live by the codes of their religion, whether they follow it or not.

[Siansonea]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

One thing to remember is that including male/male LI options isn't just for gay people. I have multiple Shepards, male and female, and each one has a distinct personality. I would like the option of having a gay male Shepard for my group, even though I am a heterosexual female in 'real life'. That needs to be part of Bioware's decision-making equation.

Yes I think according to research that I have been told of anyway,  heterosexual females are a lot more likely to be open or experiement with such things versus heterosexual males.  I am a hetersexual male and I have not tried to romance any LI's with my femshep yet.  I thought about trying it and pretending to be the LI instead of femshep herself.  Pretending to be femshep and romancing a male is really weird and strange for me right now.  I don't know if I'll try it or not.

I guess I don't see any of my Shepards as an avatar of myself, but rather as third parties. It's much like playing a tabletop RPG where one's player character is very different from oneself (which I do often). I play from the character's point of view, not my own, and I find it pretty easy to take my own attitudes out of the equation. I have ultra-Paragon Shepards and ultra-Renegade Shepards, Shepards who romance only humans, Shepards who are alien-friendly, Shepards who are thorough, Shepards who take shortcuts. Sexuality is another spectrum that could allow for increased variability among my Shepards, and it would be nice to have as many options in this and other areas of the game as possible. There cannot be too many options as far as I'm concerned, because ultimately each Shepard chooses a single path.

[7th_Phoenix]

Yes to same sex romances for ME. I'm 7th_Phoenix, and I approve this thread.

[Raanz]

After 183 pages I am not sure if I even qualify to add to this discussion.  It's an interesting topic, one in which I wouldn't mind giving my two cents to, but even after reading the OP and multiple pages, I am still a little unclear what this is meant to accomplish.
Is the thread merly to opine on the subject, or to ask why Bioware didn't include homosexual relationships?

If Mass Effect 2 had included same sex relationships (I guess a meaningful one, as they have a superficial female/lesbian one in Kelly) I don't think I would have minded as I could have easily chosen not to participate in such a relationship.  So if the question is for opinions, mine is as mentioned.

Why they don't have them, well I will have to defer to one of the very early posts that quoted Ray Muzyka.  Honestly, that is the way I have always looked at it.  Both Mass Effect games for me, have been a story that I play one of the characters (as opposed to Dragon Age where I 'generate" MY character).  In doing so, the story is laid out in front of me with a few minor forks and decisions to make.  It's always been my opinion, that Bioware simply didn't want to portray any (or a good portion) of the characters in the story as homosexual, or with an option to be homosexual. Not saying it's good or bad, but that seems to be the direction they wanted to go with for the ME trilogy.
I know they are not entirely the same thing, but it would be a little similar to folks being upset that you can't play a female Gear in the Gears of War storyline.  In the end, it's the developer's story that they wish to tell.  The difference being that ME allows the players to impact that story on a very high level.  Unfortunately for players who like to roleplay their hero as a homosexual, Bioware would like to keep the hero of galaxy a heterosexual.

As for a solution, I don't see there being one as it's their story to tell.  I know it's a little disappointing to folks that would like to have the option, but that's the way it is.  I like ME and the fact that they do not include same sex relationships doesn't bother me...I enjoy the story.