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[The Uncanny]

jlb524 wrote...

Jack is odd, as her dialog, when talking about past relationships, is either gender neutral or includes both.  For example, 'I've been with lots of people.  If you're asking about a boyfriend or girlfriend then no.'

Absolutely. It is very deliberate, which makes ultimately hitting a blank wall with her feel so... strange.

[silentassassin264]

The Uncanny wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Jack is odd, as her dialog, when talking about past relationships, is either gender neutral or includes both.  For example, 'I've been with lots of people.  If you're asking about a boyfriend or girlfriend then no.'

Absolutely. It is very deliberate, which makes ultimately hitting a blank wall with her feel so... strange.

Yeah this one really annoyed me.  It is obvious from talking to Jack that she is bisexual and Bioware makes her say she is not a "girls club" person.  Seriously?  You establish a character as bisexual and then don't allow her to be a bisexual option?  I can only assume the reason was that they wanted equal love interests on each side and could not think of a good way to make Thane bi without changing his character but seriously...

[jlb524]

The Uncanny wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Jack is odd, as her dialog, when talking about past relationships, is either gender neutral or includes both.  For example, 'I've been with lots of people.  If you're asking about a boyfriend or girlfriend then no.'

Absolutely. It is very deliberate, which makes ultimately hitting a blank wall with her feel so... strange.

Right, it seems deliberate from the writers at this point.  If they didn't want to allude to her bisexuality, they could have easily wrtten that line to show that she is only interested in males.

It's possible that she was a planned romance for FemShep and it was scrapped at a certain point.  I hope they'd open Jack up for FemShep lovin' in ME3 but I won't hold my breath.  I think Jack's s/s romance would get less complaints from those concerned with 'retconning' existing romances.  Though, I'm sure there will be some that still complain

Modifié par jlb524, 05 avril 2010 - 04:51 .

[Atomic Space Vixen]

Guy On The Moon wrote...

 Who knows whether Mark Meer, voice actor for Shepherd, would want to be apart of a homosexual scene or not...
They may personally be against that or may not feel comfortable being apart of that...so you never know

Who knows? Anyone who is in any way familiar with Edmonton's theatre scene, that's who. If the picture of Mark Meer in drag isn't enough to convince you, then let me assure you as someone who is familiar with Edmonton's theatre scene that it wouldn't be a problem for him.

Modifié par Atomic Space Vixen, 05 avril 2010 - 05:24 .

[GodWood]

Ruud333 wrote...

Guy On The Moon wrote...

Who knows whether Mark Meer, voice actor for Shepherd, would want to be apart of a homosexual scene

Somehow I don't think he would mind

...is that Mark Meer?

[Arik7]

GodWood wrote...

Ruud333 wrote...

Guy On The Moon wrote...

Who knows whether Mark Meer, voice actor for Shepherd, would want to be apart of a homosexual scene

Somehow I don't think he would mind

...is that Mark Meer?

Yes, it is.

[Ruud333]

GodWood wrote...

Ruud333 wrote...

Guy On The Moon wrote...

Who knows whether Mark Meer, voice actor for Shepherd, would want to be apart of a homosexual scene

Somehow I don't think he would mind

...is that Mark Meer?

I believe so, yes.

[Arik7]

After recording phrases like "Kaidan, I don't believe I had the pleasure of you servicing under me. Don't you think it's time to rectify that?" and "I'm only interested in men", how could anyone argue that Meer could object to recording M/M voiceover?  He already has recorded such content.

Modifié par Arik7, 05 avril 2010 - 06:04 .

[GodWood]

Ruud333 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Ruud333 wrote...

Guy On The Moon wrote...

Who knows whether Mark Meer, voice actor for Shepherd, would want to be apart of a homosexual scene

Somehow I don't think he would mind

...is that Mark Meer?

I believe so, yes.

That picture shall win me many arguments then.

[Siansonea]

Ruud333 wrote...

Guy On The Moon wrote...

Who knows whether Mark Meer, voice actor for Shepherd, would want to be apart of a homosexual scene

Somehow I don't think he would mind

He looks tran-tabulous! <3

[Annihilator27]

http://kotaku.com/55...n-mass-effect-2

Modifié par annihilator27, 05 avril 2010 - 07:35 .

[Siansonea]

annihilator27 wrote...

http://kotaku.com/55...n-mass-effect-2

From Ray Muzyka: "Sometimes, in some of our games, we are going to have a defined
character with a more defined view. Almost like a third-person
narrative — where Mass Effect is more in that vein, Dragon Age isn't in
that vein; you could see the differences between the two. It's just
part of the design and the choices made for each game. It doesn't mean
that we've in anyway changed our philosophy toward enabling choice. We
love giving players choice, and we are going to continue to enable that
for future games. That's a commitment for some of our franchises. For
some other franchises we've had more defined characters and sort of
approaches to things, and they've had a more defined personality and a
more defined approach to the way they've proceed through the game and
the world."

Commander Shepard is more 'pre-defined'? What game have I been playing? This is absolute nonsense, and if this IS their reasoning, that goes against them recording same-sex dialog in ME1 and other things I've read. They really should have just remained silent on the issue, rather than state that of all the things they could 'pre-define' about the Commander Shepard character, namely gender, ethnicity, faith, combat specialization, place of origin, morality, etc., they only chose to limit his/her sexuality. Or rather, his. And the smokescreen about 'developing additional content' is bogus as well. Boy, does Fox News have them running scared.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Whaddayaknow - he just said the same thing, without refuting any of the issues we've raised against that position.

[Raanz]

Again I disagree...this has absolutely nothing to do with Fox News..not sure why people keep clinging to that.

Muzyka confirmed (for me) what I had already thought: They just didn't want that to be a choice for their story and their "hero". Simple. Regardless if there were pre-recorded voice acting for certain relationships, that doesn't mean it's set in stone. Maybe they recorded those lines contemplating the option of letting players make that choice, but then reviewing what they had, and after focus group play testing, they decided to go a different direction. It happens all of the time in development.

Bioware is not afraid to address homosexuality in their games, Dragon Age has it....they just chose not to have it in ME is all.

[Ryzaki]

Arik7 wrote...
Yes, it is.

He's actually quite good looking.

Why they didn't base Sheploo of him. At least he has decent hair! 

[Servo to the bitter end]

Raanz wrote...

Bioware is not afraid to address homosexuality in their games, Dragon Age has it....they just chose not to have it in ME is all.

But they already do.

[Lightice_av]

Bioware is not afraid to address homosexuality in their games, Dragon Age has it....they just chose not to have it in ME is all.

There already is homosexuality in ME - that's what makes the dismissal so hypocritical.

[Blacklash93]

Fox News has nothing to do with why they refuse to include this option. If anything, Fox was scared to even touch Bioware after coming out of that situation.



It's most certainly unfair and hypocritical of Bioware given how they treat femshep's sexuality, but it's just something the gay/bi fans are just going to have to tolerate. There's nothing they can do to sway the issue in their favor.

[LiquidGrape]

Is it just me, or was that not so much real answers as attempting to dodge the bullet but getting it lodged in the spine?

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 05 avril 2010 - 08:18 .

[Lightice_av]

Is it just me, or was that not so much real answers as dodging the bullet relly poorly?

Yes, just like last time. Hopefully they'll realize just how foolish their non-statements are starting to sound like, and actually do something to show their standing, eventually.

[jlb524]

annihilator27 wrote...

http://kotaku.com/55...n-mass-effect-2

Could someone please translate what the f*** Casey Hudson said in that thing?  The interviewer specificly asks him why FemShep can't romance Tali and he's like, 'Blah blah blah blah blah, Tali's love scene is a little more innocent and fun.'

WHAT?

[Servo to the bitter end]

Blacklash93 wrote...

It's most certainly unfair and hypocritical of Bioware given how they treat femshep's sexuality, but it's just something the gay/bi fans are just going to have to tolerate. There's nothing they can do to sway the issue in their favor.

Meh.  People can continually voice support on the forum - that's what it's for after all.  You never know.

He's definitely 0/2 though.

[DOYOURLABS]

jlb524 wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

http://kotaku.com/55...n-mass-effect-2

Could someone please translate what the f*** Casey Hudson said in that thing?  The interviewer specificly asks him why FemShep can't romance Tali and he's like, 'Blah blah blah blah blah, Tali's love scene is a little more innocent and fun.'

WHAT?

She said they didn't want Femshep and Maleshep to have the same love scene, but they were too lazy to make a different one. And because they don't want to offend Fox they make it PG-13, and homosexuality is too controversial for the "masses".

[jlb524]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

She said they didn't want Femshep and Maleshep to have the same love scene, but they were too lazy to make a different one.

Haaa!  That's about right.  Funny, the Liara ME1 romance feature the same love scene for male and female Shepard.  No one complained about that.  Or is OK in this case b/c Liara's 'asexual'? 

Modifié par jlb524, 05 avril 2010 - 08:34 .

[Lightice_av]

She said they didn't want Femshep and Maleshep to have the same love scene, but they were too lazy to make a different one. And because they don't want to offend Fox they make it PG-13, and homosexuality is too controversial for the "masses".

Pity that he doesn't say or even imply any of that. It's just another poor dodge. Even a dismissal like the one you suggest would be better than that - there would be something to argue against.