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[SkullandBonesmember]

Ryzaki wrote...

Right and that's why my "sploshuns!" games will undoubtly outsell it right? <_<

And yeah I do know about Heavy Rain. I actually enjoy story-driven games so how about you stop making assumptions about people's experiences.

As long as those story-driven games have uber cool combat, right?

Twilight products sell well. High School Musical products sell well. Miley Cyrus products sell well. Saw products sell well. McDonalds does great business. Does raking in the big bucks mean quality by default?

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 26 février 2010 - 07:49 .

[cutthecameras]

Grunt420 wrote...

i've seen straight women in strip clubs, dance together, and yes in even cuddle it does not mean there gay

and I've seen gay women in strip clubs, dancing together, and yes even cuddling. what's your point?

that female Shepard can do some of those things and not have to be gay? certainly.

[Ryzaki]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Right and that's why my "sploshuns!" games will undoubtly outsell it right? <_<

And yeah I do know about Heavy Rain. I actually enjoy story-driven games so how about you stop making assumptions about people's experiences.

As long as those story-driven games have uber cool combat, right?

Twilight products sell well. High School Musical products sell well. Miley Cyrus products sell well. Saw products sell well. McDonald does great business. Does raking in the big bucks mean quality by default?

That's what BioWare is aiming for so we better hope it means quality.

Also the top 10 game sellers in the last 15 years: 

01. Wii Play (Wii)

02. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360)

03. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2, Xbox)

04. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3, Xbox 360)

05. Wii Fit (Wii)

06. Mario Kart Wii (Wii)

07. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3, Xbox 360, DS)

08. Madden NFL 07 (PS3, Xbox 360, Xbox, PS2, PSP, DS, GC, GBA, Wii)

09. Call of Duty: World at War (PS3, Xbox 360, DS, Wii)

10. Namco Museum (DC, GBA, PS2, GC, Xbox, PSP, N64, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS, Xbox 360)

Though NPD didn’t release specific sales data for each title, the company said last October that Wii Play had sold 11.1 million units in the US. GTA: San Andreas sales stood at 8.25 million units at the time and Wii Fit sales at 7.9 million. By the end of 2009 Modern Warfare 2 sales had topped 8.8 million in the US.
Hm...not many story driven games over gameplay up there.

Big bucks =/= quality but they do equal mass appeal. And frankly I'd take something fun over an "immersive storyline" any day. Though it is always nice when you can have your cake and eat it too.

And BioWare won't be making immersive storylines unless they can make the money to make the games their producing profitable.

Another thing: a flaw in the whole immersive storylines games is usually speaking for (me at least) I'll finish it one or twice and get bored and then sell it. Where's a game that's fun I'll keep just for a day I feel like blowing off some steam. Also with the storylines games I usually could just watch it on youtube and get the same experience out of it (partically if unlike BioWare games there are usually not dialogue branches and the like). So I wouldn't even have to bother buying the game to get the nice storyline.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 07:55 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Madmelendez wrote...
But technically she really isn't lesbian. Asari are one gender AND they are aliens, not even human can you base a human-alien relationship on its gender? Since you know they can be both a father/mother of their own children or whatever. And yeah I understand its because they are modeled to look like females and such.. But couldn't that be changed if Bioware intoduced an Asari that looked like a male instead?

1: see the FAQ on page 1 for a thorough overview of the Asari and their gender.
2: Their parts are, again, irrelivant. They appear female as humans comprehend females therefore expressing a sexual interest in one means you must find human females sexually attractive. When a human woman expresses interest in other human women then she is a lesbian (or bi)
3: A male-looking Asari wouldn't work according to the everything the game has established about the Asari. However, another species that is also monogendered who looks male would certainly work and it has been suggested several times as a way to include m/m romance.

[Ninja Mage]

Not surprised to hear the same counter-arguments over and over again from the anti same-sex group

[SkullandBonesmember]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hm...not many story driven games over gameplay up there.

My last post stands for the consumers as well. Besides, I used that exact line of thought to defend an argument between myself and a few others spanning 2 weeks on both the original boards and here. Mass Effect focused on plot more than combat. How many games like that do us RPG fans get? Not many. You guys have dozens of games every year that cater to your tastes, but you couldn't let us have a story driven game could you? Absolutely not. You had to bi*** and cry about how we needed more 'SPLOSHUNS and the result was ME2, the complete opposite of the first.

[Ninja Mage]

It's hard for me to stay focused in this thread...

[Madmelendez]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Madmelendez wrote...
But technically she really isn't lesbian. Asari are one gender AND they are aliens, not even human can you base a human-alien relationship on its gender? Since you know they can be both a father/mother of their own children or whatever. And yeah I understand its because they are modeled to look like females and such.. But couldn't that be changed if Bioware intoduced an Asari that looked like a male instead?

1: see the FAQ on page 1 for a thorough overview of the Asari and their gender.
2: Their parts are, again, irrelivant. They appear female as humans comprehend females therefore expressing a sexual interest in one means you must find human females sexually attractive. When a human woman expresses interest in other human women then she is a lesbian (or bi)
3: A male-looking Asari wouldn't work according to the everything the game has established about the Asari. However, another species that is also monogendered who looks male would certainly work and it has been suggested several times as a way to include m/m romance.

Alright I understand where you are coming from completely. But what if you do not find the asari attractive due to them looking like human women but asari women? They are still all in all a different species not human no matter how humanoid the asari are. As if there was a female krogan/fem shep romance. If that was the romance would there still be all of this? Or no because they dont look 'human'?

[Ryzaki]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Hm...not many story driven games over gameplay up there.

My last post stands for the consumers as well. Besides, I used that exact line of thought to defend an argument between myself and a few others spanning 2 weeks on both the original boards and here. Mass Effect focused on plot more than combat. How many games like that do us RPG fans get? Not many. You guys have dozens of games every year that cater to your tastes, but you couldn't let us have a story driven game could you? Absolutely not. You had to bi*** and cry about how we needed more 'SPLOSHUNS and the result was ME2, the complete opposite of the first.

And there you go again make assumptions. I didn't **** and cry about anything in Me1. Frankly I took the game as it was, it was fun if a bit tedious and annoying at times. I was a little sad there was no M/M but otherwise I enjoyed the game.

You guys? Yeah might want to drop that Them vs Us mentality. There are people that enjoy all types of video games.

Once again. I wasn't even on these bloody forums. I beat the game and forgot about it. So yeah I'm not the one you should be b****ing at.

And seeing as how ME2 is regarded as a success you say that as if its a bad thing? 

[Madmelendez]

rynluna wrote...

Madmelendez wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Madmelendez wrote..


Yes but Mass Effect still isn't a dating sim. Yes Bioware put in the romances and worked very hard on it but its still optional and not needed. And realisticly not everyone in the world is gay or lesbian. So is it really a huge deal that one series of a bioware doesn't have a m/m relationship?

It is when they allow female shep to be a lesbian and male shep can't be gay.

But technically she really isn't lesbian. Asari are one gender AND they are aliens, not even human can you base a human-alien relationship on its gender? Since you know they can be both a father/mother of their own children or whatever. And yeah I understand its because they are modeled to look like females and such.. But couldn't that be changed if Bioware intoduced an Asari that looked like a male instead?

A woman being attracted to an alien who's race happens to be all female would be either a lesbian or bisexual. 

People would not think the same way if a female was with a female dog or cat or any animal. Because usually that person is not interested in either human males OR females.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Ryzaki

From my last post when I said "you couldn't let us have a story driven game could you?" I was talking in general terms, sorry. But again, just because something is successful doesn't mean it's quality.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 26 février 2010 - 08:10 .

[Wittand25]

Madmelendez wrote...

Alright I understand where you are coming from completely. But what if you do not find the asari attractive due to them looking like human women but asari women? They are still all in all a different species not human no matter how humanoid the asari are. As if there was a female krogan/fem shep romance. If that was the romance would there still be all of this? Or no because they dont look 'human'?

There would be less debate, but the question of leaving out m/m would remain.
But as it is the asari are equal to women in nearly everything exept reproduction, and if you go by the argument that asari have special mental seductive skills that work regardless of gender or species there is still FemShep/Kelly.

Madmelendez wrote...
People would not think the same way if a female was with a female dog or cat or any animal. Because usually that person is not interested in either human males OR females.

That is because cats and dogs to not resemble women, asari do. But folloing this thought MShep/Garrus and MShep/Thane would also not be gay then.

Modifié par Wittand25, 26 février 2010 - 08:15 .

[tmelange]

Madmelendez wrote...

People would not think the same way if a female was with a female dog or cat or any animal. Because usually that person is not interested in either human males OR females.

Alright *throws up hands* -- what? Are you comparing sex with Liara to having sex with a dog or cat?

[Ninja Mage]

Madmelendez wrote...


People would not think the same way if a female was with a female dog or cat or any animal. Because usually that person is not interested in either human males OR females.

What are you talking about?? ASARI ARE FEMALE. This is what I'm talking about 5 pages of stuff we've been over 1000 times...It's hard to keep posting in this thread

[Grunt420]

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People would not think the same way if a female was with a female dog or cat or any animal. Because usually that person is not interested in either human males OR females.

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what?lol

[Jimmy Fury]

Madmelendez wrote...
Alright I understand where you are coming from completely. But what if you do not find the asari attractive due to them looking like human women but asari women? They are still all in all a different species not human no matter how humanoid the asari are. As if there was a female krogan/fem shep romance. If that was the romance would there still be all of this? Or no because they dont look 'human'?

But Krogan have 2 distinct sexes therefore nobody can argue that a krogan female isn't female. The purpose of pointing out how the Asari look is because people insist that it can't be a lesbian romance because the "aren't female" when indeed they are. Both the codex and Liara say they are female.

Incidentally all of this fails to take into account Kelly who is human thus making this whole debate sort of pointless because fem.shep can express interest in a human female which is the definition of lesbianism.

[Ryzaki]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ryzaki

From my last post when I said "you couldn't let us have a story driven game could you?" I was talking in general terms, sorry. But again, just because something is successful doesn't mean it's quality.

No. But BioWare seems to be aiming for successful. So one would only assume their goal would be to draw people in by increasing the amount of fun people would have with the game.

Bah. I didn't explain myself too well either soo. :innocent:


I still want a M!Shep x Kaidan mance in ME3. Or M!Shep x Joker. Or M!Shep x any human man really.

He's been having a real dry season. It got so bad he was considering Conrad.

Help the poor guy out...

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 08:16 .

[Madmelendez]

tmelange wrote...

Madmelendez wrote...

People would not think the same way if a female was with a female dog or cat or any animal. Because usually that person is not interested in either human males OR females.

Alright *throws up hands* -- what? Are you comparing sex with Liara to having sex with a dog or cat?

Other than the fact that one is more humanoid than the other is it SO different? Are they both not human? Now obviously sex with liara would be more accepted than a dog or cat but thats only because they do look closer to humans than the others. But thats not my point my point is can you really classify a femshep/liara romance as a true lesbian relationship the same a man on man relationship? Like it was been mentioned before the best choice in MY opinion if this has to be done is the male 'asari' aliens that are not truely male or female but are 'male' by human standards

[Ninja Mage]

Look, like Jimmy Fury, said, even discounting Liara x femshep romance form Mass Effect 1, Kelly is still a viable same-sex ''fling''. Why Casey Hudson even implied Liara was an ''it'' is beyond me other than to cover his ass so that lesbianism wouldn't be in the game.

[Ninja Mage]

I thought Conrad Verner was going to be the ''gay'' option in Mass Effect 1. Like how Kelly is the lesbian option in mass effect 2. How he had a lisp and said he was your BIGGEST fan..I thought it was going to be sexy time with him

[Ninja Mage]

Obviously female shepard can romance a female cat the same way she romanced Liara becuase they are both female yet not attracted to men or women???



/nonsense

[Heavensrun]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Mothbanquet, this how I kind of see it also

Ok , here's thing if you make it to were tali for example turns bi.Why after two games with no explanation would she do that.I think you would need to find a reason other than she's magically switched to be gay.

I was in my mid twenties when I started to realize I was bisexual.  I went through a period of intense confusion and personal soul-searching and eventually this reached a critical stage when I fell in love with a friend of the same gender.  Up until that point, most people around me hadn't the slightest inkling that I had any interest in my own gender.

This kind of thing happens in reality.  Why do people act like it's a crime to have it happen the same way in fiction?