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[callofdoobie]

::sigh::



Look not everyone on earth is bisexual. Why do u guys want them to be in ME?

They might add bi/gay characters in 3 for you, i unno.



I actually would like to let all u know though Mass Effects sales have not droped that dramatically, a hundred thousand people a week are not going to say....



"gee I would love to try out Mass Effect 2! But Shepard can't sodomize Garrus and that was really the main thing I was looking forward too in this game"



Come on ppl listen to yourselfs

[Ryzaki]

callofdoobie wrote...

::sigh::

Look not everyone on earth is bisexual. Why do u guys want them to be in ME?
They might add bi/gay characters in 3 for you, i unno.

I actually would like to let all u know though Mass Effects sales have not droped that dramatically, a hundred thousand people a week are not going to say....

"gee I would love to try out Mass Effect 2! But Shepard can't sodomize Garrus and that was really the main thing I was looking forward too in this game"

Come on ppl listen to yourselfs

How about you actually read the first three posts before saying anything eh? <_<

[callofdoobie]

Mabye u should read what some of your people are posting.

Besides I was just saying how stupid it is you have someone saying a hundred thousand people don't buy ME 2 because of the lack of homosexuality

Here is the top selling list from Feb(ds.gamespy.com/articles/107/1077146p1.html so u know i'm being honest) Dragonage is nowhere to be found on here despite the huge lead it seems to have over Mass Effect. The list for March hasn't come out yet as far as I know

1. BioShock 2 (360) -- 562,900

2. New Super Mario Bros Wii (Wii) -- 555,600

3. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (360) -- 314,300

4. Just Dance (Wii) -- 275,400

5. Wii Sports Resort (Wii) -- 272,500

6. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3) -- 252,800

7. Mass Effect 2 (360) -- 246,500

8. Dante's Inferno: Divine Edition (PS3) -- 242,500

9. Dante's Inferno (360) -- 224,700

10. Heavy Rain (PS3) -- 219,300

As you can see the lack of a lesbian scene with Tali has really hurt the games sales <_<

Modifié par callofdoobie, 07 avril 2010 - 08:38 .

[Ryzaki]

callofdoobie wrote...

Mabye u should read what some of your people are posting.

Besides I was just saying how stupid it is you have someone saying a hundred thousand people a week don't buy ME 2 because of the lack of homosexuality

Uh...your people?
...
...

Besides I have no doubt that the lack of sells have nothing to do with the lack of s/s romance options alone. Probably the mixture of A. The game is totally different from its predessor and B. The game is more shooterisk 

Honestly though this generation is frankly getting annoying with all the bloody shooting games. Too much of any genre isn't a good thing. Variety is the spice of life. (Another reason DA was probably so well recieved).

Regardless no one *or at least no one I saw* was suggesting that every single character be bisexual. We're asking for the most part 1 option for each gender. Oh noes. We get 1 while there's 3 for straight options. Whatever shall you do!!!! <_<

And giving the fans what they want isn't restricted to just s/s options. Fans wanted a improved Mako, what did they get? Planet scanning or 3 minute missions on the paper thin Hammerhead. Fans wanted a better inventory, what did they get? No inventory at bloody all. Fans wanted their choices from ME1 to actually matter! What did they get: exchangeable cameos or emails.

Not to mention the terrible mission complete screens and those fully clothed dryhumping Pg-13 facepalm worthy sex scenes for the most part.

And I could have sworn I saw on the old boards requests for deeper relationships with your crewmates. Apparently that doesn't happen unless you're banging them. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 avril 2010 - 08:39 .

[FataliTensei]

Ryzaki wrote...

callofdoobie wrote...

Mabye u should read what some of your people are posting.

Besides I was just saying how stupid it is you have someone saying a hundred thousand people a week don't buy ME 2 because of the lack of homosexuality

Uh...your people?
...
...

Besides I have no doubt that the lack of sells have nothing to do with the lack of s/s romance options alone. Probably the mixture of A. The game is totally different from its predessor and B. The game is more shooterisk 

Honestly though this generation is frankly getting annoying with all the bloody shooting games. Too much of any genre isn't a good thing. Variety is the spice of life. (Another reason DA was probably so well recieved).

Regardless no one *or at least no one I saw* was suggesting that every single character be bisexual. We're asking for the most part 1 option for each gender. Oh noes. We get 1 while there's 3 for straight options. Whatever shall you do!!!! <_<

And giving the fans what they want isn't restricted to just s/s options. Fans wanted a improved Mako, what did they get? Planet scanning or 3 minute missions on the paper thin Hammerhead. Fans wanted a better inventory, what did they get? No inventory at bloody all. Fans wanted their choices from ME1 to actually matter! What did they get: exchangeable cameos or emails.

Not to mention the terrible mission complete screens and those fully clothed dryhumping Pg-13 facepalm worthy sex scenes for the most part.

And I could have sworn I saw on the old boards requests for deeper relationships with your crewmates. Apparently that doesn't happen unless you're banging them. <_<

I'm so looking foward to ME 3<_<

[Ryzaki]

callofdoobie wrote...

Mabye u should read what some of your people are posting.

Besides I was just saying how stupid it is you have someone saying a hundred thousand people don't buy ME 2 because of the lack of homosexuality

Here is the top selling list from Feb(ds.gamespy.com/articles/107/1077146p1.html so u know i'm being honest) Dragonage is nowhere to be found on here despite the huge lead it seems to have over Mass Effect. The list for March hasn't come out yet as far as I know

1. BioShock 2 (360) -- 562,900

2. New Super Mario Bros Wii (Wii) -- 555,600

3. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (360) -- 314,300

4. Just Dance (Wii) -- 275,400

5. Wii Sports Resort (Wii) -- 272,500

6. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3) -- 252,800

7. Mass Effect 2 (360) -- 246,500

8. Dante's Inferno: Divine Edition (PS3) -- 242,500

9. Dante's Inferno (360) -- 224,700

10. Heavy Rain (PS3) -- 219,300

As you can see the lack of a lesbian scene with Tali has really hurt the games sales <_<

...DA is on PC you realize yes? And is multiplat? And I don't recall her saying that lack of FemShep x Tali caused lower game sales anywhere. Lack of listening to what the fans want but not specifically FemShepxTali. Unless I'm wrong Sir?

That list also conviently only shows sells for a single platform. How long has ME2 been out? So I can actually you know find data from the same time period in DA's sell date to compare that's...you know accurate and stuff.

Frankly I think the game is selling well for what it is. A shooter with very few rpg mechanics.

Considering it doesn't even have mulitplayer its doing quite well. (MP never hurt anyone but to have decent MP BW would have to learn class balancing and we all know how good they are with that. ) 

Though no FemShepxTali didn't cause the game to loose many sales, neither did ZevranxMWarden or LelianaxFemWarden.


I guess this means the inclusion/exclusion of s/s romance options has no large negative/positive effect on sales!

Edit: Also BW may have went a little to far with what the fans wanted.

We wanted a better inventory - They scrapped it
We wanted a better Mako - They scapped it and replaced it with the most boring minigame on the planet.
We wanted more varied romance options - We got a whole bunch and they vary greatly but none are S/S
We wanted more varied mission levels - We got that but now they're more linear than bloody ever
There's more complaints...but...eh.

And I don't know why there's no bloody friendship paths. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 avril 2010 - 08:52 .

[ydaraishy]

callofdoobie wrote...

As you can see the lack of a lesbian scene with Tali has really hurt the games sales <_<

Who said it did? 

ME1 had a lesbian scene with Liara and that hasn't really hurt the game sales either.

DAO had lesbian and gay scenes with Leliana and Zevran and that hasn't really hurt games sales either.

[callofdoobie]

jynthor wrote...

Maybe you should realize it's really not that hard to type "You"

O snap!

U hurt my feelings, why did U have to do that =)




Anyways i'm not going to argue with all of u, i'm not a troll I just felt like tossing my opinion in real quick.
To many players(w/ straight and gay charachters) seem to forget Mass Effect is an RPG not a romance simulator, if your reason for playing the game is to court a virtual mate than I think you need alot of help with your life.

P.S. Try not to take everything quite so literally

Modifié par callofdoobie, 07 avril 2010 - 08:53 .

[finnithe]

Ryzaki wrote...

callofdoobie wrote...

Mabye u should read what some of your people are posting.

Besides I was just saying how stupid it is you have someone saying a hundred thousand people don't buy ME 2 because of the lack of homosexuality

Here is the top selling list from Feb(ds.gamespy.com/articles/107/1077146p1.html so u know i'm being honest) Dragonage is nowhere to be found on here despite the huge lead it seems to have over Mass Effect. The list for March hasn't come out yet as far as I know

1. BioShock 2 (360) -- 562,900

2. New Super Mario Bros Wii (Wii) -- 555,600

3. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (360) -- 314,300

4. Just Dance (Wii) -- 275,400

5. Wii Sports Resort (Wii) -- 272,500

6. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3) -- 252,800

7. Mass Effect 2 (360) -- 246,500

8. Dante's Inferno: Divine Edition (PS3) -- 242,500

9. Dante's Inferno (360) -- 224,700

10. Heavy Rain (PS3) -- 219,300

As you can see the lack of a lesbian scene with Tali has really hurt the games sales <_<

...DA is on PC you realize yes? And is multiplat? And I don't recall her saying that lack of FemShep x Tali caused lower game sales anywhere. Lack of listening to what the fans want but not specifically FemShepxTali. Unless I'm wrong Sir?

That list also conviently only shows sells for a single platform. How long has ME2 been out? So I can actually you know find data from the same time period in DA's sell date to compare that's...you know accurate and stuff.

Frankly I think the game is selling well for what it is. A shooter with very few rpg mechanics.

Considering it doesn't even have mulitplayer its doing quite well. (MP never hurt anyone but to have decent MP BW would have to learn class balancing and we all know how good they are with that. ) 

Though no FemShepxTali didn't cause the game to loose many sales, neither did ZevranxMWarden or LelianaxFemWarden.


I guess this means the inclusion/exclusion of s/s romance options has no large negative/positive effect on sales!

Comparing DAO and ME2 in sales is a bad idea for many reasons. Firstly, DAO came out during the holiday season. Secondly, DAO is on one more platform, and thirdly, DAO is more of a niche game than ME2.

The sales chart does consider all platforms, it just considers same games on different platforms seperately.

You're probably joking about the multiplayer stuff so I wont comment on that. But Bioware is good at class balancing. Every class is viable in ME2, though DA seems to offer up a world where mages are all-powerful and thus just as much powerful in-game.

[Ryzaki]

callofdoobie wrote...

jynthor wrote...

Maybe you should realize it's really not that hard to type "You"

O snap!

U hurt my feelings, why did U have to do that =)




Anyways i'm not going to argue with all of u, i'm not a troll I just felt like tossing my opinion in real quick.
To many players(w/ straight and gay charachters) seem to forget Mass Effect is an RPG not a romance simulator, if your reason for playing the game is to court a virtual mate than I think you need alot of help with your life.

P.S. Try not to take everything quite so literally

Or people could you know like different things about the game then you?

"If you feel the need to save the world how about you go out and do something instead of playing the game?" 

"If you feel the need to shoot why don't you take shooting lessons?"

"If you feel the need to kill evil villians why don't you join the army?" 

If you're playing the game for the enjoyment of a good headshot and to save virtual people I think you need a lot of help in your life.



Oh wait...

[ydaraishy]

callofdoobie wrote...

To many players(w/ straight and gay charachters) seem to forget Mass Effect is an RPG not a romance simulator, if your reason for playing the game is to court a virtual mate than I think you need alot of help with your life.

Who did you romance in ME2?

[Ryzaki]

finnithe wrote...
Comparing DAO and ME2 in sales is a bad idea for many reasons. Firstly, DAO came out during the holiday season. Secondly, DAO is on one more platform, and thirdly, DAO is more of a niche game than ME2.

The sales chart does consider all platforms, it just considers same games on different platforms seperately.

You're probably joking about the multiplayer stuff so I wont comment on that. But Bioware is good at class balancing. Every class is viable in ME2, though DA seems to offer up a world where mages are all-powerful and thus just as much powerful in-game.

But lyrium what makes mages so bloody powerful is supposed to be *scarce* Its not which blows the whole "mages are OP but have a severe weakness down the tubes". Granted a good warrior or rogue with the right equipment can have up to bloody 80% (or 100 if you play your cards right) spell resistance. How on earth is that balanced? Archers are ridculously weak for no reason until you get arrow of slaying. Then they can become somewhat powerful.

Uh...ME2 is on 2 platforms: Xbox 360 and PC. DA is on 3: Xbox 360, PC, and PS3. Not that big of a difference. 

Though yes DA is more of a niche game that ME2 is.

Though the sales argument does still apply: You honestly think DA would have sold a great deal more (or heck even a 5% increase in sales) due to the exclusion of s/s romance options? 

Also balancing: Did you play Awakening?  Ridculous. I never died in that game. Not a one time. Not even when fighting...the...hard...boss...thingy. The only thing right about Awakening in terms of balancing is that warriors finally have stamina potions. (which honestly should have been in the game to begin with).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 avril 2010 - 09:07 .

[finnithe]

Ryzaki wrote...

finnithe wrote...
Comparing DAO and ME2 in sales is a bad idea for many reasons. Firstly, DAO came out during the holiday season. Secondly, DAO is on one more platform, and thirdly, DAO is more of a niche game than ME2.

The sales chart does consider all platforms, it just considers same games on different platforms seperately.

You're probably joking about the multiplayer stuff so I wont comment on that. But Bioware is good at class balancing. Every class is viable in ME2, though DA seems to offer up a world where mages are all-powerful and thus just as much powerful in-game.

But lyrium what makes mages so bloody powerful is supposed to be *scarce* Its not which blows the whole "mages are OP but have a severe weakness down the tubes". Granted a good warrior or rogue with the right equipment can have up to bloody 80% (or 100 if you play your cards right) spell resistance. How on earth is that balanced? Archers are ridculously weak for no reason until you get arrow of slaying. Then they can become somewhat powerful.

Uh...ME2 is on 2 platforms: Xbox 360 and PC. DA is on 3: Xbox 360, PC, and PS3. Not that big of a difference. 

Though yes DA is more of a niche game that ME2 is.

Though the sales argument does still apply: You honestly think DA would have sold a great deal more (or heck even a 5% increase in sales) due to the exclusion of s/s romance options? 

One platform is a big difference. http://www.vgchartz....me.php?id=33502

Dragon Age did have some problems but basing your opinion on two games seems flawed now doesn't it? I remember KOTOR having three very viable classes, and class combinations that could work (I think some peoplel played Scroundrel->Guardian). I don't remember much from their other games.

I also never agreed with the sales argument, I don't think peple are going to stop buying games because they forgot to include one relatively small aspect. Look at MW2's success, it just shows most people on the internet, just as in real life, are damned liars.

I don't really care for the lack of an s/s romance. Can someone provide me some evidence that shows s/s was originally planned? I don't want to go sift through this 19x page thread.

[Ryzaki]

finnithe wrote...

One platform is a big difference. http://www.vgchartz....me.php?id=33502

True.

Dragon Age did have some problems but basing your opinion on two games seems flawed now doesn't it? I remember KOTOR having three very viable classes, and class combinations that could work (I think some peoplel played Scroundrel->Guardian). I don't remember much from their other games.

KOTOR classes were fine because Jedi were ridculously overpowered all around. If there's anything BW is good at its with creating OP classes. Not to say they don't make balanced classes sometimes but for the most part...

I also never agreed with the sales argument, I don't think peple are going to stop buying games because they forgot to include one relatively small aspect. Look at MW2's success, it just shows most people on the internet, just as in real life, are damned liars.

Of course. I always found the "it'd lose a whole lotta sales!!!" arguement to be nonsense. The only people who wouldn't buy it because of that would be the same ones who wouldn't buy it for the swearing and everything else that's already in the game. Everyone else would either suck it up or enjoy the extra options. Like with most things.

I don't really care for the lack of an s/s romance. Can someone provide me some evidence that shows s/s was originally planned? I don't want to go sift through this 19x page thread.

Read the first 3 posts.

[finnithe]

The Jedi were meant to be overpowered. Aren't they shown as overpowered in every other Star Wars media? Wouldn't it be jarring if you were easily taken out by some random Kinrath? They were all similar in OP-ness, which was the point I was trying to make.

The removal of s/s romances is troubling but since it never really took away from my game, and I don't really care for s/s romances, I see no reason to care for it myself. Still, I can see why some of you want it. Personally, I'd much rather see more exclusion in games than inclusion. Not every sample is going to have every element of a population.

EDIT: That said same-sex (specifically bi) relationships such as one with Kaiden or Ashley, both career soldiers, does add depth to their character. Ashley especially since she was always the one trying to fit into a mould of an ideal soldier set forth by her family. What I'm getting at is that I want Bioware to develop their characters not constrained by political correctness. Same-sex relationships does not always correspond with that as some of you have acknowledged, which is good.

Modifié par finnithe, 07 avril 2010 - 09:53 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

There's that 'realism' argument, again. Why does it keep coming up? It's not like the game itself is realistic or balanced in the way people seem to think represesntation of sexual orientation should be.

There's is no way, shape, or form in which my Shepard should ever be enough of a Paragon or Renegade to get the crew I had in ME2 working together. No way in hell. But nobody complains about that because, to a degree, it's what they expect - a crew with polar opposite components that should, by all rights, kill each other (literally, since you're almost guaranteed to have at least one or two people entirely supportive of I-feel-like-it homicide), working together because of the Power of Plot.

No fewer than three aliens find Shepard sexually attractive, two of whom are incompatible with Shep at the molecular level. A chick in a vaccuum-sealed bodysuit, for whom Shep was a two-year science project, is totally willing to jump MShep, and the edgy killer biotic god can only be healed by his mystical wang. No fewer than 3 sexy blue chicks in the series so far are interested in Shep, though only one of them is willing and safe to have sex with. And all of this happens when Shep's trying to save the galaxy, twice. None of this crap is remotely plausible, except in the fantasies of adolescent males. But very few people complain about any of that.

No. Instead, people complain about 'political correctness' and the idea that more than one of the existing crew could possibly be gay or bi, because 'that isn't realistic.' Given the stretches of character compatibility presented in ME2 alone, I could ask that every crew member be willing to sleep with nearly everyone except their requisite nemesis and it still wouldn't be any more unrealistic than anything else going on in the game.

Straight romances are included because Bioware considers romances an important component of the gameplay in their titles, and people enjoy them. Not because 'Tali and Jacob are way straight' and need a story outlet to express it, but because romances are a component of the gameplay. Well, same sex romances are also enjoyed by gamers - bisexual, gay, and straight - for a variety of reasons. They should be included not because it's 'politically correct' to do so, but because inclusiveness is a net positive, bisexual and gay people should not be treated as invisible, and diversity and choice enrich the game experience for everyone. There is no reason not to include s/s romance because there's no story-driven reason to include straight romance alone - there is no impact that the straight romances have on the story that same-sex ones would or could not.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 07 avril 2010 - 03:39 .

[catabuca]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

There's that 'realism' argument, again. Why does it keep coming up? It's not like the game itself is realistic or balanced in the way people seem to think represesntation of sexual orientation should be.

There's is no way, shape, or form in which my Shepard should ever be enough of a Paragon or Renegade to get the crew I had in ME2 working together. No way in hell. But nobody complains about that because, to a degree, it's what they expect - a crew with polar opposite components that should, by all rights, kill each other (literally, since you're almost guaranteed to have at least one or two people entirely supportive of I-feel-like-it homicide), working together because of the Power of Plot.

No fewer than three aliens find Shepard sexually attractive, two of whom are incompatible with Shep at the molecular level. A chick in a vaccuum-sealed bodysuit, for whom Shep was a two-year science project, is totally willing to jump MShep, and the edgy killer biotic god can only be healed by his mystical wang. No fewer than 3 sexy blue chicks in the series so far are interested in Shep, though only one of them is willing and safe to have sex with. And all of this happens when Shep's trying to save the galaxy, twice. None of this crap is remotely plausible, except in the fantasies of adolescent males. But very few people complain about any of that.

No. Instead, people complain about 'political correctness' and the idea that more than one of the existing crew could possibly be gay or bi, because 'that isn't realistic.' Given the stretches of character compatibility presented in ME2 alone, I could ask that every crew member be willing to sleep with nearly everyone except their requisite nemesis and it still wouldn't be any more unrealistic than anything else going on in the game.

Straight romances are included because Bioware considers romances an important component of the gameplay in their titles, and people enjoy them. Not because 'Tali and Jacob are way straight' and need a story outlet to express it, but because romances are a component of the gameplay. Well, same sex romances are also enjoyed by gamers - bisexual, gay, and straight - for a variety of reasons. They should be included not because it's 'politically correct' to do so, but because inclusiveness is a net positive, bisexual and gay people should not be treated as invisible, and diversity and choice enrich the game experience for everyone. There is no reason not to include s/s romance because there's no story-driven reason to include straight romance alone - there is no impact that the straight romances have on the story that same-sex ones would or could not.

Quite frankly my dear, this post is brilliant

[catabuca]

Also, it's really very simple: the addition of one or two bi/gay characters merely gives more players more options. Options, according to the big cheeses, are a good thing.

I don't understand why those who don't want any bi/gay characters would care one jot what others do in their playthroughs. No one would be sat next to you while you play your game forcing you to click the 'man-on-man' button.

Options. Choice. Huzzah!

Modifié par catabuca, 07 avril 2010 - 03:48 .

[Ryzaki]

finnithe wrote...

The Jedi were meant to be overpowered. Aren't they shown as overpowered in every other Star Wars media? Wouldn't it be jarring if you were easily taken out by some random Kinrath? They were all similar in OP-ness, which was the point I was trying to make.

And in several JRPG games the character is supposedly uber powerful and has a great secret power (that is not always his heart) Rogue Galaxy in super mode Jaster while extremely powerful isn't ridculously overpowered.  (Even if he's fighting bosses one on one). Kingdom Hearts - Keyblades are extremely powerful weapons and Sora/Riku aren't overpowered compared to boss opponents. No matter how "OP" a class is supposed to be they shouldn't be able to easily take on a boss. That's balancing. The class shouldn't be damn near invinicible. That's balancing. I don't care what the lore says. (According to ME lore thermal clips are universal so once you run out of heat clips for one weapon you should run out for them all now imagine playing ME where you have 1 pool of thermal clips for all your weapons. Would that be very balanced?)

The removal of s/s romances is troubling but since it never really took away from my game, and I don't really care for s/s romances, I see no reason to care for it myself. Still, I can see why some of you want it. Personally, I'd much rather see more exclusion in games than inclusion. Not every sample is going to have every element of a population.

You'd rather less choices be in the game?  Why?

EDIT: That said same-sex (specifically bi) relationships such as one with Kaiden or Ashley, both career soldiers, does add depth to their character. Ashley especially since she was always the one trying to fit into a mould of an ideal soldier set forth by her family. What I'm getting at is that I want Bioware to develop their characters not constrained by political correctness. Same-sex relationships does not always correspond with that as some of you have acknowledged, which is good.

True but the fact is the s/s romance options was *Completely* done for Ashley and very close to nearly complete for Kaidan. Some suit said no and it was pulled. Which frankly is censorship. Which is one of those things I hate the most. If BW truly didn't want s/s romances in their game and said as much. (without this "predetermined" nonsense) I'd be fine with it. A little dissappointed but fine. The fact that they keep dancing around the question makes it irksome.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 avril 2010 - 03:56 .

[ValendianKnight]

LiquidGrape wrote...

ValendianKnight wrote...

I would HATE it if BioWare made any of the already established characters homosexual, well, because THEY AREN'T. It would kill consistency if all of a sudden Thane became bi-sexual.

See, that's the thing. It wouldn't. Because no characters sexuality has ever been explicitly defined.

Well, you are right in the fact that it's never mentioned outright, but they obviously weren't attracted to Shepard before, so if suddenly, let's say, Thane starts making a pass on my Male Shepard it would seem extremely forced to me, unless it is written and explained VERY well. I think the best option would be to make brand new characters and make a few or all of them open to the idea of a same sex romance.

That's not to say there is no way Garrus could turn out to be bisexual(I'd find it hard to convince me he suddenly is though), I just think these are established characters already, so leave them be. I'm sure there will be many great additions to the cast by ME3, that's why I think it's better to go for that option.

Modifié par ValendianKnight, 07 avril 2010 - 04:13 .

[Atomic Space Vixen]

callofdoobie wrote...


To many players(w/ straight and gay charachters) seem to forget Mass Effect is an RPG not a romance simulator, if your reason for playing the game is to court a virtual mate than I think you need alot of help with your life.

I know, it's ridiculous that people want to role play in an RPG, isn't it?


/sarcasm

Modifié par Atomic Space Vixen, 07 avril 2010 - 04:19 .

[catabuca]

ValendianKnight wrote...



Well, you are right in the fact that it's never mentioned outright, but they obviously weren't attracted to Shepard before, so if suddenly, let's say, Thane starts making a pass on my Male Shepard it would seem extremely forced to me, unless it is written and explained VERY well. I think the best option would be to make brand new characters and make a few or all of them open to the idea of a same sex romance.

That's not to say there is no way Garrus could turn out to be bisexual(I'd find it hard to convince me he suddenly is though), I just think these are established characters already, so leave them be. I'm sure there will be many great additions to the cast by ME3, that's why I think it's better to go for that option.

Garrus hasn't been attracted to my femShep because I don't go down that line of conversation. Therefore, by your reasoning, I can claim he doesn't find humans attractive at all.

But of course I wouldn't do that. The point I'm trying to make is that these two things - Garrus finding femShep attractive and Garrus not being attracted to humans at all - can both exist because players have the opportunity to play their game in either way. Now, I'm not advocating all characters are written as bi for ME3, but what I am saying is that it remains perfectly plausible that one or two could be and it not break immersion for those players who do not want to/will not follow any bi dialogue with them.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

ValendianKnight wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

ValendianKnight wrote...

I would HATE it if BioWare made any of the already established characters homosexual, well, because THEY AREN'T. It would kill consistency if all of a sudden Thane became bi-sexual.

See, that's the thing. It wouldn't. Because no characters sexuality has ever been explicitly defined.

Well, you are right in the fact that it's never mentioned outright, but they obviously weren't attracted to Shepard before, so if suddenly, let's say, Thane starts making a pass on my Male Shepard it would seem extremely forced to me, unless it is written and explained VERY well. I think the best option would be to make brand new characters and make a few or all of them open to the idea of a same sex romance.

That's not to say there is no way Garrus could turn out to be bisexual(I'd find it hard to convince me he suddenly is though), I just think these are established characters already, so leave them be. I'm sure there will be many great additions to the cast by ME3, that's why I think it's better to go for that option.

*cough* Garrus and Tali.

I'm sympathetic, I really am. A new character or two would probably be the best option. I myself favour opening up established characters, but that's personal preference - I think there's enough likable options swirling around already. Also, Kaidan.

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I really do wonder why everyone who says 'Their sudden attraction to Shepard will be abrupt and forced and ruin the game!' are not at all bothered by Garrus and Tali.



I just have to wonder when in Mass Effect 1, Garrus and Tali talked about how dreamy Shepard was.