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[Ryzaki]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I still say the only evidence we need that Kaidan is gay for Shepard is the "Losing you was like losing a limb" remark on Horizon. I even ran it by some co-workers who don't game, and asked what kind of relationship they thought two people had if one of them said this after the other had been away a long time. 'Obsessive love' was pretty much the agreement, from men and women. (ETA: 'Crazy stalker' came up, too. But Kaidan's just so much more likable than Conrad Verner.)

I was like "...?" when I first
heard that line too with MShep. It is really odd to have Kaidan say that to a MShep...or hell any Shep that he's not in a relationship with. Makes him sound like he was crushing on Shep.

I didn't find it odd, but then I got the distinct impression he was into my MShep all through ME1. I was disappointed when no one came to comfort Kyle during his frustration at the stonewalling before Ilos. Just Joker, over the intercom. And even though Kaidan was kind of a twit on Horizon, I did feel like the 'losing a limb' comment fit - even with no opportunity for reciprocation from Shepard. But afterwards, no email. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Aw...*gives an interweb hug* It'll be okay.

I think that was probably the result of sloppy editing like with Tali. He was originally to be BI they just took it out at the last minute.

Yes he was a twit. Still I can't help but lol at the losing a limb comment now.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Ryzaki wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I still say the only evidence we need that Kaidan is gay for Shepard is the "Losing you was like losing a limb" remark on Horizon. I even ran it by some co-workers who don't game, and asked what kind of relationship they thought two people had if one of them said this after the other had been away a long time. 'Obsessive love' was pretty much the agreement, from men and women. (ETA: 'Crazy stalker' came up, too. But Kaidan's just so much more likable than Conrad Verner.)

I was like "...?" when I first
heard that line too with MShep. It is really odd to have Kaidan say that to a MShep...or hell any Shep that he's not in a relationship with. Makes him sound like he was crushing on Shep.

I didn't find it odd, but then I got the distinct impression he was into my MShep all through ME1. I was disappointed when no one came to comfort Kyle during his frustration at the stonewalling before Ilos. Just Joker, over the intercom. And even though Kaidan was kind of a twit on Horizon, I did feel like the 'losing a limb' comment fit - even with no opportunity for reciprocation from Shepard. But afterwards, no email. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Aw...*gives an interweb hug* It'll be okay.

I think that was probably the result of sloppy editing like with Tali. He was originally to be BI they just took it out at the last minute.

Yes he was a twit. Still I can't help but lol at the losing a limb comment now.

Oh, no doubt. I enjoyed listening to the restored dialogue on YouTube. 'Serving under me' indeed.

[RyrineaNara]

I too am surprised at the loosing a limb comment for Males.

[casedawgz]

Kaidan comes onto male Shepard pretty hard. I was really mean to him, if only to not accidentally trigger a romance upon import if they do indeed had m/m.

[RyrineaNara]

Wow I need to play males sometimes then. I still am someone who luves him anyway.......

[RyrineaNara]

casedawgz wrote...

Kaidan comes onto male Shepard pretty hard. I was really mean to him, if only to not accidentally trigger a romance upon import if they do indeed had m/m.

They don't have m/m they dished it for bromance type thing. <_<

[casedawgz]

Oh, no doubt. I love Kaidan. But not in that particular way.

[RyrineaNara]

casedawgz wrote...

Oh, no doubt. I love Kaidan. But not in that particular way.

I love Kaidan in the romactic way for my Shepard. I need to play as a male more oftten.

[Cootie]

Brofisting is the only way they can show off their affection!

Edit: That means that in my fantasy world, they are totally just in the closet.

Modifié par Cootie, 08 avril 2010 - 12:06 .

[Torpasia]

Cootie wrote...

Brofisting is the only way they can show off their affection!

Edit: That means that in my fantasy world, they are totally just in the closet.

Actually, this is the way I play it, too...

...there's not really any alternative.<_<

[Cootie]

This really makes me question whether I'll actually purchase another Bioware product. It's not so much the fact that they've locked homosexual content out of the game, but more about the notion that they cannot control their own games.



If this is just another in a long line of companies to suffer from EA-ification, I personally don't think they're worth my coin.

[Spatchmo]

Cootie wrote...


If this is just another in a long line of companies to suffer from EA-ification, I personally don't think they're worth my coin.

I honestly don't think EA is to blame for any of the removed gay content and the refusal of putting it in. Especially considering one of their best selling series, "The Sims" has it. My guess would be someone on the Mass Effect team specifically has a problem with it. I've also noticed the Mass Effect team doesn't really interact with the community at all. With Dragon Age, I can think of at least one major person responsible for the game that posts on the forums and interacts with us all the time. Just kind of a curious thing, really.

[Eternal Dust]

Spatchmo wrote...

Cootie wrote...


If this is just another in a long line of companies to suffer from EA-ification, I personally don't think they're worth my coin.

I honestly don't think EA is to blame for any of the removed gay content and the refusal of putting it in. Especially considering one of their best selling series, "The Sims" has it. My guess would be someone on the Mass Effect team specifically has a problem with it. I've also noticed the Mass Effect team doesn't really interact with the community at all. With Dragon Age, I can think of at least one major person responsible for the game that posts on the forums and interacts with us all the time. Just kind of a curious thing, really.

I think EA would be too obvious a scapegoat. And I agree that the DA team are much more interactive with the community. It's such a shame that some of the actions of the ME team have cast such a bad light on all of BW and affiliates.

[sw33ts]

I don't like Kaidan. Ever since he went up to that promethean spire thing and touched it in ME1 I've hated him. (It might possible have to do with me wanting Ashley for my FemShep) but yeah I don't know I found Kaidan annoying, but however it would be nice if he were open for all the Kaidan lovers since he seems open to the idea.



As for pinpointing who's to blame, meh. Until I see a tape or more than one person saying it or whomever/whatever was behind it comes forward it doesn't really help us in the long run

[sw33ts]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Pity that we can't really consider that more than anecdotal evidence even if a Bioware employee indeed said that. Sorry, but I tend to be paranoid about things presented as facts on Internet forums without backing.
But if it is true then at least it means that the dev team itself is positive for the option. There have been several articles about the topic in various Internet media now, and there's been plenty of attention directed to the issue, probably thanks to Dragon Age's precedence. The group devoted to it is swelling with fair speed as well.
If this goes on, it'll hopefully get the higher ups to reconsider their decision from a financial and PR standpoint, and allow either a DLC expansion for those who are interested, or at least allow the option to exist for ME3.

Yeah, sorry I can't give more evidence. I do indeed have proof that it's true, but providing it would also single out the dev that contacted me - something I don't really want to do.

But as you say - the group is growing steadily - I imagine Bioware will squeeze at least one s/s romance into ME3 - if only to stop the backlash.

Just read this.  I might have to take back what I just said if you have honest to goodness proof.  But I'm a skeptic in that the proof can be forged or something.  I don't know, but anyways I'd just like to say that sucks that it was possible that S/S romance was gonna be in the game but now isn't because of 1 person. blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

[SirGladiator]

It would be nice to have total proof, preferably in the form of an admission and apology from the guy who did it . But I believe the report, it certainly is consistent with what we pretty much knew all along anyway. It almost 'had' to be a single guy coming in and over-ruling the rest of the team, based on everything else we know for 100% to be true. And the way that Hudson has consistently made himself appear to be hostile to the very idea of s/s romances in the game, and giving such hilariously insane answers to normal, reasonable questions on the subject, he's certainly put the spotlight on himself for being the guy who did it. So while yes, its still not 100% known for a fact that somebody did that, I think it was already pretty much a given, and the news of the Dev confirming it fits perfectly with everything else that is already known.

[The Uncanny]

Ryzaki wrote...

catabuca wrote...

Anyway, and I say this to myself as well, let's not get sidelined talking about spelling. A deal of the pro-s/s posters aren't shining examples of high literacy either ;-)

Back to the discussion in hand.

I was away for a while, and the thread grew by about 100 pages in my absence. Can anyone sum up for me the arguments on implementation of s/s?

Last time I was here I stated I was against it being treated any differently to the way current romance options are handled, and that all that needed addressing was the current problems with ninja'ing, with not being able to let someone down easily (rectifiable via not having ninja'ing in the first place), and the ability to forge friendships with people instead of 'sex-or-nothing'.

You should be able to end a relationship at any time, and yeah friendships are a good thing. Might be fun if certain characters would only romance you if you took the less flirty and more friendship options and others would only romance you if you were flirty from the beginning. Could mix things up a little.

The different coloured text option seemed to garner pretty broad support as a solution to a lot of problems including that pesky ninja'ing. I think pretty much everyone agreed that the 'I don't want to talk to you any longer if you don't want to jump into bed with me' thing is very irritating and getting to resolve a character's 'issues' without resorting to sexytime would make a nice change.

I 100% agree with Ryzaki... something which would mix up the LI dynamic would be really welcome and would add to the replay value. So if, during playthrough one, Miranda suddenly became uninterested when you wanted to discuss your extensive collection of vintage pornographic literature then you may just wish to consider adopting a different tack on your second play.

I still think paragon and renegade scores could usefully come into play where LIs are concerned. After all there are... all kinds of different relationships!

[Arik7]

It could be Hudson. First he says that FemShep/Liara relationship was not a female/female relationship, and then his "we had to draw the line" comment....

[tyddrwsau]

SirGladiator wrote...

There's no reason to think negatively. Certainly that recent interview with Hudson and Ray showed quite clearly that those guys have no answers. Do you think they 'really' want to be answering that question over and over again for YEARS to come? Its an embarassment to them and their company, and its even more of one every time they give another non-answer answer, and they know it. The odds of at least one of them eventually deciding 'enough is enough' and giving the fans what they want just so they don't have to deal with this controversy anymore would seem to be pretty good. So lets stay positive .

I agree, SirGladiator. Besides, I think that a number of the concerns raised about aspects of ME2 that we see on these forums could be improved by relying more upon the artistic vision of the writing and creative staff more, and the attempts of the marketing staff to psych out a least common denominator of potential customers less.

I would like to see the writers given free reign to complete the character-driven narratives they've conceived, in ME3.

For ME2 perhaps the marketing types can realize that all the hanging plot threads that hang because content was cut, or written but not finished, are relatively easy fuel for their DLC machine.

[catabuca]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I still say the only evidence we need that Kaidan is gay for Shepard is the "Losing you was like losing a limb" remark on Horizon. I even ran it by some co-workers who don't game, and asked what kind of relationship they thought two people had if one of them said this after the other had been away a long time. 'Obsessive love' was pretty much the agreement, from men and women. (ETA: 'Crazy stalker' came up, too. But Kaidan's just so much more likable than Conrad Verner.)

My heart melted when Kaidan said that. And it was almost unbearable Shep couldn't respond. <3

[LiquidGrape]

It's funny how Bioware's "cop-outs" for same sex relations are actually more suggestive than the outright romantic ones.
Kaidan's "losing a limb", Tali's fumbling response to the linking of suits, Jack's dead end...
If their intention was to defuse any hope for future involvement, they failed gloriously.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 08 avril 2010 - 03:27 .

[Siansonea]

Casey Hudson and Ray Muzyka: Keeping the World Safe From Fictional Homosexuality.



I guess everyone has to stand for something, right?

[Temper_Graniteskul]

LiquidGrape wrote...

It's funny how Bioware's "cop-outs" for same sex relations are actually more suggestive than the outright romantic ones.
Kaidan's "losing a limb", Tali's fumbling response to the linking of suits, Jack's dead end...
If their intention was to defuse any hope for future involvement, they failed gloriously.

Maybe that's part of the larger package. Keep the tease in and maybe they won't completely alienate the GLBT-friendly fanbase, but if they don't actually deliver on it they won't alienate the hetero-and-two-chicks-if-they're-hot crowd. Which is just irritating, really.

Though, thinking back, it's not like they've got a perfect track record of actually delivering. I'm pretty sure I got to see Furious Ming actually kiss Dawn Star, but they faded to black well before he locked lips with Sky. They did much better in DA, I think. Finally got to Zevran with my MWarden, and the scene was pretty much just as I remembered with my FWarden and Alistair. Bigger character model in back/on top, smaller in front/on bottom. And since the two models were male, no distracting bra.

I reiterate, though, BioWare has done and can do better. C'mon, Bioware! It won't hurt you to let your precious badass space marine be bisexual or gay as well as straight. There'd be an initial fooferah, maybe, but then it'll die down and people will wonder what all the fuss was about. This is an easy fix. Ammo, now...that's gonna be hard.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 08 avril 2010 - 04:14 .

[Hrodwulf-666]

 Just because someone likes the same sex doesn't mean they are a 'fruit'. There are plenty of Gay/Bi types out there that can kick ass as good as anyone, this is true throughout history, MIGHTY men of history and Literature have loved another man and saved or changed the world! 

ANCIENT GREECE anyone!!!!! What about Spartan society, homosexuality was practically expected and deemed pure! 
ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS GAY!!!!!!

Jesus who gives a ****, the point is that its a Role Playing Game if you don't  want to touch another man's tool then DONT play it that way, but there would be NO shame in a heroic, masculine, empowered Gay Shepard just as there is no shame in a Heroic liberated and focussed Lesbian Shepard.
Why should Gay gamers (GAYMERS???) be excluded from an immersive gaming experience by being forced to explore only straight & 'pseudo' Sapphic encounters that serve only to gratify the young, immature and inexperienced.

GAMING IS ESCAPISM!!! My motto is this... 'ANY way out of the world!!!' why should we be dogged by boring real world debates on sexuality (that in itself is only a matter of perspective) in something that is supposed to free us of the daily burden of living in a populace of ignorant embittered biggots who want to control what we do and make sure we do things the way they want, in the eyes and in the name of their supposed gods... **** all this fundamentalism and Homophobia, stop dicking around and actually learn to be a human and this **** wouldnt be a problem and much less of a waste of time..  Why not have the option of a gay love interest you dont have to play every angle!

[catabuca]

You go Hrodwulf-666



Temper_Graniteskul - and when you think about it, after the initial furore would have simmered down, BW would be lauded all over the industry and internet for including it, just as they have in the past. They're doing themselves no favours in this debacle. They may not be entirely ruining their reputation, but they sure as hell have managed to hack at it like they did to poor Michelangelo's David