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[Madmelendez]

I am just stating where I stand on the liara/femshep romance. Although I have nothing to say about the Kelly statements because yes she is a female so I agree on all points when it comes to that.

[Grunt420]

Ninja Mage wrote...


I thought Conrad Verner was going to be the ''gay'' option in Mass Effect 1. Like how Kelly is the lesbian option in mass effect 2. How he had a lisp and said he was your BIGGEST fan..I thought it was going to be sexy time with him

how he married he says this all the time "My WIFE is really supportive,  she bought my tickets and armor" lol i love messing with Conrad

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Grunt420 , and Cutthecameras you've both made a good points.

The Straight perspective whether it's right or wrong from society's point of view.

But while some of your points if applied to a man might make him be labeled gay.For women it's a vastly different.Yes , your not straight or gay unless you view your self as such.But there's a double standard between what makes a man gay vs a woman gay.

All I'm going to say is if your age appropriate check out some Spring Break stuff it will blow your mind.Not adult stuff , I'm talking about regular cable/satellite stuff about cops patrolling the beach.The only reason I even bring it up because often times there will be f/f kissing (holding hands everything that would suggest lesbian relationship), but after wards they go back to the guys or guy boyfriends and the kissing and eveything else between two women doesn't develop into anything.

Now in the same reference two guys do the same thing and what's going to happen.The exact reverse and two guys will be labeled no matter if they were drunk or what explanation.

What I've said is bias , but I'm trying to help illustrate the differences between the two and why one group can get away(or not be labeled) while the other will be labeled.It's not perfect explanation but it's insight.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 26 février 2010 - 08:26 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

Ryzaki wrote...

No. But BioWare seems to be aiming for successful. So one would only assume their goal would be to draw people in by increasing the amount of fun people would have with the game.

Bah. I didn't explain myself too well either soo. :innocent:


I still want a M!Shep x Kaidan mance in ME3. Or M!Shep x Joker. Or M!Shep x any human man really.

He's been having a real dry season. It got so bad he was considering Conrad.

Help the poor guy out...

Quality can be subjective. People who give Heavy Rain a rating of 9 may give Mass Effect 2 a rating of 6, whereas people who give Mass Effect 2 a 9 may give Heavy Rain a rating of 6.

[Ryzaki]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...
Quality can be subjective. People who give Heavy Rain a rating of 9 may give Mass Effect 2 a rating of 6, whereas people who give Mass Effect 2 a 9 may give Heavy Rain a rating of 6.

Truth. But according to most reviews ME2 was high quality and fun. as well as a fiancial success.
Which truth be told is really all big corporations care about.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 08:27 .

[Grunt420]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Grunt420 , and Cutthecameras you've both made a good points.

The Straight perspective whether it's right or wrong from society's point of view.

But while some of your points if applied to a man might make him be labeled gay.For women it's a vastly different.Yes , your not straight or gay unless you view your self as such.But there's a double standard between what makes a man gay vs a woman gay.

All I'm going to say is if your age appropriate check out some Spring Break stuff it will blow your mind.Not adult stuff , I'm talking about regular cable/satellite stuff about cops patrolling the beach.The only reason I even bring it up because often times there will be f/f kissing (holding hands everything that would suggest lesbian relationship), but after wards they go back to the guys or guy boyfriends and the kissing and eveything else between two women doesn't develop into anything.

Now in the same reference two guys do the same thing and what's going to happen.The exact reverse and two guys will be labeled no matter if they were drunk or what explanation.

What I've said is bias , but I trying to help illustrate the differences between the two and why one group can get away(or not be labeled) while the other will be labeled.It's not perfect explanation but it's insight.

sorry can't remeber what point yor talking about LOL, not focused what page get your point and i've been on spring break but can't remeber much of it LOL

Modifié par Grunt420, 26 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

Ryzaki wrote...

Truth. But according to most reviews ME2 was high quality and fun. as well as a fiancial success.
Which truth be told is really all big corporations care about.

Here's another truth. There are more fans of shooters when compared to the amount of RPG fans.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Basically saying it's easier from someone to tell if a man is gay.While a woman can do many things that might make her seem lesbian and she might not be a such.

[didymos1120]

Octorox wrote...
Now this is exactly what I'm against. Everyone is the galaxy shouldn't be straight but they shouldn't all be bi either. Being able to romance ANY character regardless of their sexual orientation would just ruin the idea of romance in Mass Effect for me.

OK, this is an interesting question with interactive fiction like ME that doesn't really have anything beyond a fairly sparse canon (compared to many other games, novels, film, etc.) for the PC.  How, I guess you could say "rigid", should NPCs be?  IOW, how much about them should the player be able to define.  Because that's what we're doing in ME, all the time, and not just with LIs.  Take Jack: you can actually elicit life-sparing mercy from her during her loyalty mission, or teach her that a bullet in the head really does solve every problem.  That's a pretty significant difference and it's totally under our control.  How does that effect, as you would put it, the illusion of an independently existing Jack?  'Cause to me, if something like picking sexuality can, then this should completely demolish it as well.  It seems to me like the closer to party/squad mate an NPC is, in a game like this, the more the player should be able to decide about them (that's tricky, I know:  if they're just hyper-flexible psychological ragdolls, they aren't really characters anymore, and the illusion never has a chance to work its magic).  Bioware, and a great many of their customers (including just about everybody posting here in this thread, I'd say), seem to more or less agree. Take the fact that, as others have brought up, you can get everybody killed in this game.  And now bring in Kaidan, Ash, and Wrex in ME1.  What could be more significant than having the power of life and death over these characters.  I mean, you can even get Ash to do the dirty work for you and she'll put Wrex down like some rabid dog.  That's quite a deal of control over another character. And it's also quite frankly awful.  I hate that outcome. But Ash? No: I quite literally made her do it the one time I went that route just to see what it was like. I simply decided "Nope. Ash ain't that kinda girl, and Wrex ain't gonna die."  And that was the end of it for me: Wrex lived, Ash did too, and she wasn't my lackey executioner.  But I know for a fact that some people loathe Ash because of this act that will never be "real" if they don't want it to be, and yet nonetheless they gleefully nuke her every time they run through ME1 to "punish" her for, well, nothing.  And then you have all the stuff with encouraging her xenophobic side or talking her around to a more trustful POV, or the whole side thing with Garrus and his Renegade leanings. The thing is though, people, even if they hate this or that outcome, eat this stuff up.  It's a huge part of why ME and Bioware games in general are so loved.  So why does the idea of Tali digging chicks, say of the delicate-featured Paragon variety, or Kaidan being into Renegade men who look like a Dutch model, in a "parallel" ME universe that exists only on the hard drive of someone else's computer or 360 become this big Gandalf "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" issue for people?  It's just no different in kind, at all, from all the other "reality-warping" power we're given by the devs in these games (despite whatever nonsense sophistry PR crap they try to give us about third vs. first person narratives).  It really just does not make any sense to me, and I've yet to see anybody come at all close to making it make sense.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

On the reviews can you really compare ME 1/2 to HR.There vastly different from one another.

[Grunt420]

has anyone thought maybe the writers of the game choose who is gay and who not in ME series, they choose every main character Sexual orientation and i think that's how they choose who you are allowed to romance and maybe they would add one or two gay squad mates cause i can't see them just turning the character they already have in the game who is not gay, gay all of a sudden in my OPINION

[Grunt420]

i'm tired, I"M DONE GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE AND SWEET DREAMS

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Exactly , who knows ME3 comes out and you've m/f crew members that you can pursue a same-sex relationship with , if you choose so.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 26 février 2010 - 08:35 .

[Ryzaki]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Truth. But according to most reviews ME2 was high quality and fun. as well as a fiancial success.
Which truth be told is really all big corporations care about.

Here's another truth. There are more fans of shooters when compared to the amount of RPG fans.

Of course. Shooters Gameplay > Story while most RPGs are the opposite.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Ryzaki wrote...

Of course. Shooters Gameplay > Story while most RPGs are the opposite.

And anybody who needs 'SPLOSHUNS to be satisfied with a video game has a short attention span and very low standards.

[Ryzaki]

didymos1120 wrote...


OK, this is an interesting question with interactive fiction like ME that doesn't really have anything beyond a fairly sparse canon (compared to many other games, novels, film, etc.) for the PC.  How, I guess you could say "rigid", should NPCs be?  IOW, how much about them should the player be able to define.  Because that's what we're doing in ME, all the time, and not just with LIs.  Take Jack: you can actually elicit life-sparing mercy from her during her loyalty mission, or teach her that a bullet in the head really does solve every problem.  That's a pretty significant difference and it's totally under our control.  How does that effect, as you would put it, the illusion of an independently existing Jack?  'Cause to me, if something like picking sexuality can, then this should completely demolish it as well.  It seems to me like the closer to party/squad mate an NPC is, in a game like this, the more the player should be able to decide about them (that's tricky, I know:  if they're just hyper-flexible psychological ragdolls, they aren't really characters anymore, and the illusion never has a chance to work its magic).  Bioware, and a great many of their customers (including just about everybody posting here in this thread, I'd say), seem to more or less agree. Take the fact that, as others have brought up, you can get everybody killed in this game.  And now bring in Kaidan, Ash, and Wrex in ME1.  What could be more significant than having the power of life and death over these characters.  I mean, you can even get Ash to do the dirty work for you and she'll put Wrex down like some rabid dog.  That's quite a deal of control over another character. And it's also quite frankly awful.  I hate that outcome. But Ash? No: I quite literally made her do it the one time I went that route just to see what it was like. I simply decided "Nope. Ash ain't that kinda girl, and Wrex ain't gonna die."  And that was the end of it for me: Wrex lived, Ash did too, and she wasn't my lackey executioner.  But I know for a fact that some people loathe Ash because of this act that will never be "real" if they don't want it to be, and yet nonetheless they gleefully nuke her every time they run through ME1 to "punish" her for, well, nothing.  And then you have all the stuff with encouraging her xenophobic side or talking her around to a more trustful POV, or the whole side thing with Garrus and his Renegade leanings. The thing is though, people, even if they hate this or that outcome, eat this stuff up.  It's a huge part of why ME and Bioware games in general are so loved.  So why does the idea of Tali digging chicks, say of the delicate-featured Paragon variety, or Kaidan being into Renegade men who look like a Dutch model, in a "parallel" ME universe that exists only on the hard drive of someone else's computer or 360 become this big Gandalf "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" issue for people?  It's just no different in kind, at all, from all the other "reality-warping" power we're given by the devs in these games (despite whatever nonsense sophistry PR crap they try to give us about third vs. first person narratives).  It really just does not make any sense to me, and I've yet to see anybody come at all close to making it make sense.

soo much truth in this post.

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Of course. Shooters Gameplay > Story while most RPGs are the opposite.

And anybody who needs 'SPLOSHUNS to be satisfied with a video game has a short attention span and very low standards.

Or you know...one might just find it fun? 

I love "SPLOUSHUNS!" and a good story. I just prefer the latter to be literature. I play a game to PLAY a game not watch an interactive movie. ME2 offers the some good from both worlds.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[didymos1120]

mothbanquet wrote...
Collide, you are my friend and I respect you very much, but that sounds like the people who enter the Tali thread and say that just because some people build hideous Tali dolls then all Tali fans are creepy lunatics.

Hey, man, I debunked that nonsense. It's not actually Tali, though it is highly creepy. Here's the thread.  I can't post the link again, because I got warned last time (and, theoretically, suspended. They kinda forgot to actually yank my posting privileges, though).

[Jimmy Fury]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Basically saying it's easier from someone to tell if a man is gay.While a woman can do many things that might make her seem lesbian and she might not be a such.

I've seen straight men kiss each other. Ben Browder kissed Michael Shanks at a con, nobody cared. Jim Carey and Ewan McGregor kissed at a screening of "I love you Phillip Morris" and nobody claimed they were gay. Pete Wentz might be a raging D-bag but he's also a married father and he kisses on guys all the time.

Societal acceptance of attention seeking college girls is not the best argument for humanity as a species...

[Wittand25]

didymos1120 wrote...

Octorox wrote...
Now this is exactly what I'm against. Everyone is the galaxy shouldn't be straight but they shouldn't all be bi either. Being able to romance ANY character regardless of their sexual orientation would just ruin the idea of romance in Mass Effect for me.

OK, this is an interesting question with interactive fiction like ME that doesn't really have anything beyond a fairly sparse canon (compared to many other games, novels, film, etc.) for the PC.  How, I guess you could say "rigid", should NPCs be?  IOW, how much about them should the player be able to define.  Because that's what we're doing in ME, all the time, and not just with LIs.  Take Jack: you can actually elicit life-sparing mercy from her during her loyalty mission, or teach her that a bullet in the head really does solve every problem.  That's a pretty significant difference and it's totally under our control.  How does that effect, as you would put it, the illusion of an independently existing Jack?  'Cause to me, if something like picking sexuality can, then this should completely demolish it as well.  It seems to me like the closer to party/squad mate an NPC is, in a game like this, the more the player should be able to decide about them (that's tricky, I know:  if they're just hyper-flexible psychological ragdolls, they aren't really characters anymore, and the illusion never has a chance to work its magic).  Bioware, and a great many of their customers (including just about everybody posting here in this thread, I'd say), seem to more or less agree. Take the fact that, as others have brought up, you can get everybody killed in this game.  And now bring in Kaidan, Ash, and Wrex in ME1.  What could be more significant than having the power of life and death over these characters.  I mean, you can even get Ash to do the dirty work for you and she'll put Wrex down like some rabid dog.  That's quite a deal of control over another character. And it's also quite frankly awful.  I hate that outcome. But Ash? No: I quite literally made her do it the one time I went that route just to see what it was like. I simply decided "Nope. Ash ain't that kinda girl, and Wrex ain't gonna die."  And that was the end of it for me: Wrex lived, Ash did too, and she wasn't my lackey executioner.  But I know for a fact that some people loathe Ash because of this act that will never be "real" if they don't want it to be, and yet nonetheless they gleefully nuke her every time they run through ME1 to "punish" her for, well, nothing.  And then you have all the stuff with encouraging her xenophobic side or talking her around to a more trustful POV, or the whole side thing with Garrus and his Renegade leanings. The thing is though, people, even if they hate this or that outcome, eat this stuff up.  It's a huge part of why ME and Bioware games in general are so loved.  So why does the idea of Tali digging chicks, say of the delicate-featured Paragon variety, or Kaidan being into Renegade men who look like a Dutch model, in a "parallel" ME universe that exists only on the hard drive of someone else's computer or 360 become this big Gandalf "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" issue for people?  It's just no different in kind, at all, from all the other "reality-warping" power we're given by the devs in these games (despite whatever nonsense sophistry PR crap they try to give us about third vs. first person narratives).  It really just does not make any sense to me, and I've yet to see anybody come at all close to making it make sense.

 I think the problem is that making every LI available for everyone is that it can create problems with their backstory. The thing that anoyed me about Sky in JE was how he turned bi for my character and mentioned that several times.
And ofcourse there is the thing with limited resources so having one of each gender beeing bisexual is sensibel  while having everyone so would turn into a waste of resources in my opinion.

[Ninja Mage]

Grunt420 wrote...

has anyone thought maybe the writers of the game choose who is gay and who not in ME series, they choose every main character Sexual orientation and i think that's how they choose who you are allowed to romance and maybe they would add one or two gay squad mates cause i can't see them just turning the character they already have in the game who is not gay, gay all of a sudden in my OPINION

I understand what you're saying Grunt. Thanks for having a civil discussion with us. I wish more straight people on these boards were like you. What I'm mad about is that the Mass Effect team decided not to write ANY character as gay in the WHOLE game, which seems odd to me because the mass effect universe is very large.

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 26 février 2010 - 08:43 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

SkullandBonesmember,



Let the mud slinging begin , is it so wrong to like SPLOSHUNS.And because I do I must have low standards , really are you serious with yourself.

[Ryzaki]

Wittand25 wrote...

 I think the problem is that making every LI available for everyone is that it can create problems with their backstory. The thing that anoyed me about Sky in JE was how he turned bi for my character and mentioned that several times.
And ofcourse there is the thing with limited resources so having one of each gender beeing bisexual is sensibel  while having everyone so would turn into a waste of resources in my opinion.

...Uh no he didn't. He was attracted to the male PC for his personality. Not his gender. That's what he mentions several times. Its a If Its You Its Okay. Situation. He's not attracted to men. He's attracted the the PC.

Its not no one understands the bloody difference anymore! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 08:44 .

[Ninja Mage]

Garrus's dark secret...that turian he showed his ''reach'' to wasn't female! But he was flexible..DUN DUN DUNNNNN

[SkullandBonesmember]

Ryzaki wrote...
Or you know...one might just find it fun? 

I love "SPLOUSHUNS!" and a good story. I just prefer the latter to be literature. I play a game to PLAY a game not watch an interactive movie. ME2 offers the some good from both worlds.

The book argument. *sighs*



3:00-3:27.

[Ryzaki]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Or you know...one might just find it fun? 

I love "SPLOUSHUNS!" and a good story. I just prefer the latter to be literature. I play a game to PLAY a game not watch an interactive movie. ME2 offers the some good from both worlds.

The book argument. *sighs*



3:00-3:27.

OMG personal preference! OMGNOWAI!

Did you not read the bolded. And ME2 isn't my idea of a great book either. Then again I'm more of a fantasy girl when it comes to my books.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 08:47 .