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[Hollywoodsilk08]

Men don't want M/M romances.. We want F/F romances. Same goes for the female main character in DAO. I want the female lead to romance with Morrigan. I once visited San Fransisco the day after the gay parade. That was enough male romance for a lifetime.

[Ryzaki]

The demand for equal rights in every vocation of life is just and fair; but, after all, the most vital right is the right to love and be loved. -Emma Goldman



I like this quote

[Onyx Jaguar]

Speak for yourself, I'm all man I would like to see M/M romances implemented into the game.

[Ryzaki]

catabuca wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

What what? Fable 2 is owned my MS studios isn't it?Since when did EA buy out Lionhead? *headtilts*

Sorry, my bad. I should have added an extension to Microsoft in my post.

Oh good. I was starting to wonder.

I really wish Molyneux would learn to keep his damn gob shut. <_<

[SorenTrigg]

Siansonea II wrote...

Are there any gentlemen here? I was under the impression that most of us who regularly post on this thread are female.

I am actually male, and gay. I just prefer to play a female Shepard.
And yes, I wish there were more F/F options. I was very sad about not being able to romance Tali.

[Siansonea]

MsKlaussen wrote...

catabuca wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

I would have to track down the quote again, but I believe it was that they had to decide what to cut, and the s/s relationships would be 'seen less', or some such. I will go search for it.

Seen less? Boy. I reckon there's a ton of content in both games that is played to a greater or lesser extent than other content. That's what happens when you make a game that enables choice. (Not having a go at you, just that excuse!)

Also, can I suggest that if any of the people who were riling things up in the other thread that just got closed come over here we completely ignore them. To get drawn into a debate when it is founded on the ground of 'eugenics' and other bigoted remarks only panders to their agenda and will ultimately result in this thread being closed as well. No matter how much we think we can reason with them, we can't. Let's just carry on our own conversations and keep this thread the happy (mostly) place it has grown into being.

I was late to the previous thread you mention and so am not aware of whether the fact that I believe Bioware has the right to make these decisions for themselves bereft of the requirement to satisfy the preferences of every one of their customers makes me a "bigot" or everyone's favorite buzzword, a "homophobe", but :

I would like to state how ironic it is that your first paragraph above puts high degrees of importance upon "choice" while your second suggests that the opinions of anyone you "can't reason with" (which I can only assume from your tone and the comments you refer to in the previous thread means people who will not capitulate) should be ignored, leaving those with like minds in their own euphoric state of righteousness.

How is that not "assimilate or cease to exist"? The very thing you claim to be railing against? And if there's nothing wrong with that, then what is wrong with what is ultimately the bottom line on Bioware's stance, which is that it's a no go, and if you don't like it, don't buy it?

For the record, I still consider myself to be straight, although I have had three encounters with other women. Some would tell me that after the first one, I ceased to be straight. I guess they might have something there, but either way I am not some witchhunting zealot waving a flag with one hand and the "Good Book" with the other. I'm just someone who has known for over 30 years that life isn't fair and who made a decision early on in the process that there was nothing to be gained by repeatedly asking why it was not.

I believe it is a worthwhile task to call attention to injustice where it is found, big and small. To simply accept it goes against my nature. I have no personal stake in the inclusion of same-sex romances in the game outside of expanding the options for some of my Shepards, but I do not like seeing any group marginalized for the sake of capitulating to social pressure from any side. I would be equally against it if they suddenly made Shepard completely athiest, with no choice in the matter, though I myself am agnostic.

The conservatives are clearly winning this fight, since m/m content does not exist in the final release version of Mass Effect 2, and if the rest of us simply throw up our hands and say nothing, Bioware will be under the mistaken impression that their decision is universally accepted, perhaps even universally applauded. I do not wish for anyone to enjoy that misapprehension.

[casedawgz]

I'm a heterosexual dude, and, while I doubt anything will happen, I support the m/m romances because it's important to some people and won't adversely affect my play experience in the slightest.

[Lightice_av]

A guy here; I don't want M/M for myself, but I do consider it rather hypocritical that this particular option is absent when even freakly mandibled aliens are OK - not to mention that I want well written romantic subplots instead of cheap titillation scenes as with Kelly. In short, the option should be there for all those who want it.

EDIT: Amen Siansonea!

Modifié par Lightice_av, 08 avril 2010 - 09:08 .

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Are there any gentlemen here? I was under the impression that most of us who regularly post on this thread are female.

I am actually male, and gay. I just prefer to play a female Shepard.
And yes, I wish there were more F/F options. I was very sad about not being able to romance Tali.

I think there are many of us who do not necessarily play the game as 'ourselves'. I play males and females equally, and I like for there to be numerous social options in the game, as I like my Shepards to be as different from one another as possible. I don't want to simply play the same options over and over. Female Shepards basically have only two and a half romantic options, Garrus, Thane, and Kelly. I'm sorry, but Jacob just doesn't count. That only gives me three viable female character paths, if I want more variation I have to introduce it via the Paragon/Renegade axis. That isn't as fun.

[Tali__lover1915]

 speaking of romance...this is pretty redonc. 

[Ryzaki]

Kelly makes me facepalm. I mean honestly...who really thought that was a good romantic subplot?

[catabuca]

casedawgz wrote...

I'm a heterosexual dude, and, while I doubt anything will happen, I support the m/m romances because it's important to some people and won't adversely affect my play experience in the slightest.

And here we have a very important point. Thank you

[casedawgz]

Siansonea II wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Are there any gentlemen here? I was under the impression that most of us who regularly post on this thread are female.

I am actually male, and gay. I just prefer to play a female Shepard.
And yes, I wish there were more F/F options. I was very sad about not being able to romance Tali.

I think there are many of us who do not necessarily play the game as 'ourselves'. I play males and females equally, and I like for there to be numerous social options in the game, as I like my Shepards to be as different from one another as possible. I don't want to simply play the same options over and over. Female Shepards basically have only two and a half romantic options, Garrus, Thane, and Kelly. I'm sorry, but Jacob just doesn't count. That only gives me three viable female character paths, if I want more variation I have to introduce it via the Paragon/Renegade axis. That isn't as fun.

There's at least ONE redeeming element to the Jacob romance. He's the only LI of either gender who actually expresses concern for Shepard's problems; you can open up to him about survivors guilt, the burden of command, or feeling that the world passed you by while you were dead.

[catabuca]

Lightice_av wrote...

A guy here; I don't want M/M for myself, but I do consider it rather hypocritical that this particular option is absent when even freakly mandibled aliens are OK - not to mention that I want well written romantic subplots instead of cheap titillation scenes as with Kelly. In short, the option should be there for all those who want it.

EDIT: Amen Siansonea!

Absofreakinglutely

[catabuca]

Can I just say, I really enjoy talking with you all about this.



As I said a few pages back, this s/s discussion has brought up a lot of other issues regarding the implementation of relationships, romantic or otherwise, in general, and I find that really interesting. I think what it indicates is that what we all want is just great, well-written and inclusive options that offer something to as many people as possible.

[BellatrixLugosi]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kelly makes me facepalm. I mean honestly...who really thought that was a good romantic subplot?

She makes me think of a cocktail waitress

"Hi im kelly, if you wanna talk you know where to find me!!!! Squee!!!!"

[casedawgz]

We love you too Catabuca. I'm actually fairly addicted to the boards as a whole, considering I have a freakin' chemistry exam in an hour and a half and this is how i'm spending my time.

[catabuca]

casedawgz wrote...

We love you too Catabuca. I'm actually fairly addicted to the boards as a whole, considering I have a freakin' chemistry exam in an hour and a half and this is how i'm spending my time.

Go revise!! Good luck!

These are some great boards. I'm happy BW gives us the opportunity to have these frank discussions.

[Mimaiselphenai]

ReconTeam wrote...
 And I am supposed to be the bad guy because I believe homosexuals should keep such business behind closed doors and not in the public realm? Ha!

Intolerance is typically a bad thing, yeah.

That's what it boils down to in general. There's plenty of straight men and women alike who are pro same sex coupling. Just because you don't agree with someone's viewpoint or lifestyle doesn't mean they should have to sweep it under the rug because it makes some peoples' tummies hurt with icky feelings.

Honestly, if the potential inclusion of same sex pairings get so much flak in a video game of all things, there's pretty much no hope of it ever truly being accepted in the real world.