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[Fade9wayz]

None of the friends I know who play the game would oppose it, One of them was even downright more shocked than me that it wasn't included in ME2 and he's definitely straight.

[SirGladiator]

I think pretty much everybody was shocked to find out that all the s/s romances were cut out (except of course for Kelly, who only survived the cuts by the Devs convincing the fellow who made them cut the other ones out that Kelly wasn't 'really' a romance option) . I know I was quite shocked, I never even remotely considered it a possibility that they would do something like that. I didn't really follow the whole ME2 lead-up to the launch, I was mostly into following, and then playing, DA back then . About the only thing I knew that was Tali was back, and there was a new character Jack who was obviously a romance option for FemShep. Other than that, I really didn't know anything about the game or its characters. That was mostly intentional, because I wanted to be surprised. The thing was, I was expecting a GOOD surprise . Then a few days before it came out I started reading some comments about how they had cut all the s/s romance from the game, some folks didn't believe it, I didn't 'want' to believe it either, but it turned out it was true.



It was just so crazy, it didn't make any sense at all. BioWare never does anything like that, thats for those other companies that don't care about their fans. Who could imagine something like that from BioWare? I know I sure couldn't. It took a while before people really realized it, certainly they did the best they could to keep a lid on it by shutting down as many threads here as posisble, but ultimately there was no way to keep something like that a secret for long. They knew it was going to hurt sales badly, thats no doubt at least part of the reason why the Devs fought so hard to keep the romances in the game in the first place. The thing is, it really didn't just hurt sales of ME2, obviously it hurt their sales badly, but its hurt BioWare as company, their reputation has taken quite the hit because of one person's decision to go against the ME2 Devs and force them to remove what they knew the vast majority of their fans wanted.



Certainly it just keeps getting worse when you have interviews like the one a few days or so ago, when two of the senior Bioware folks (including, most likely, the guy who made the cuts) made themselves, and thus the company they represent, look horrible by giving comicly pathetic non-answer answers to a simple question about why they cut the romances (specificly the Tali-FemShep romance in that particular question) out. I remain hopeful that at some point they will tire of being asked these questions and looking worse and worse as a result, and they will finally give the answer that we all want to hear, that they made a mistake, and it won't happen again (and, ideally, that they're going to put the romances back via DLC) .

[Fade9wayz]

SirGladiator wrote...
It was just so crazy, it didn't make any sense at all. BioWare never does anything like that, thats for those other companies that don't care about their fans. Who could imagine something like that from BioWare? I know I sure couldn't. It took a while before people really realized it, certainly they did the best they could to keep a lid on it by shutting down as many threads here as posisble, but ultimately there was no way to keep something like that a secret for long. They knew it was going to hurt sales badly, thats no doubt at least part of the reason why the Devs fought so hard to keep the romances in the game in the first place. The thing is, it really didn't just hurt sales of ME2, obviously it hurt their sales badly, but its hurt BioWare as company, their reputation has taken quite the hit because of one person's decision to go against the ME2 Devs and force them to remove what they knew the vast majority of their fans wanted.

Certainly it just keeps getting worse when you have interviews like the one a few days or so ago, when two of the senior Bioware folks (including, most likely, the guy who made the cuts) made themselves, and thus the company they represent, look horrible by giving comicly pathetic non-answer answers to a simple question about why they cut the romances (specificly the Tali-FemShep romance in that particular question) out. I remain hopeful that at some point they will tire of being asked these questions and looking worse and worse as a result, and they will finally give the answer that we all want to hear, that they made a mistake, and it won't happen again (and, ideally, that they're going to put the romances back via DLC) .

Erf, I'm not sure sales were hurt in the proportion you imply, and if it was, I doubt it was because of the lack of S/S romances. Other factors might have very well played out, for exemple the emphasis on the shooter side of the game, versus RPG. While I think ME2 is a decent shooter game, it wouldn't be my first choice when I feel like playing that kind of game. In that departement, I much prefer Left 4 Dead or Dead Space.

That said, I know I won't pre-order ME3 as I did for ME2. I will wait for the reviews and see if the content still appeal to me. Inclusion of S/S content being one of the factors that will enter the equation, although not the determining one. Yes, I wish that CH and RM could be more honest with us and not treat us like mindless husks, but I think it's better to stay calm and keep on promoting the reasons we, as customers, think S/S romances should be included. Bioware, as the maker of this game, has the right to agree or not with us. Let's just hope that our arguments will be taken as relevant, but I don't think pointing fingers will help us in the long run.

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 13 avril 2010 - 10:20 .

[Captain Tibs]

you know what i want to do... romance a women in the first game and then change teams suddenly in the second... wouldn't that just seem wonderfully out of character...

[Fade9wayz]

Captain Tibs wrote...

you know what i want to do... romance a women in the first game and then change teams suddenly in the second... wouldn't that just seem wonderfully out of character...

Not if you're roleplaying your Shepard as a bi-character, which is precisely what any FemShep who romanced Liara in ME1 and romanced Garrus/Thane/Jacob in ME2 is. Nothing out of character there.

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 13 avril 2010 - 02:08 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

Fade9wayz wrote...

Captain Tibs wrote...

you know what i want to do... romance a women in the first game and then change teams suddenly in the second... wouldn't that just seem wonderfully out of character...

Not if you're roleplaying your Shepard as a bi-character, which is precisely what any FemShep who romanced Liara in ME1 and romanced Garrus/Thane/Jacob in ME2 is. Nothing out of character there.

Truth.  Your Shepard =/=every Shepard, and there is no "canon" Shepard with a unchangeable sexuality.

[Siansonea]

Captain Tibs wrote...

you know what i want to do... romance a women in the first game and then change teams suddenly in the second... wouldn't that just seem wonderfully out of character...

You realize you can play more than one Shepard, right? You aren't stuck with your first character. I have many Shepards, and each is unique. And a bisexual Shepard could easily romance a series of individuals of either gender. It all depends on the mindset and personality you've created for your Shepard.

[SimonTheFrog]

Here's another blog-kinda-thing musing on the lack of s/s romance options in ME2:

unlvrebelyell.com/2010/04/12/geek-beat-state-of-the-art-graphics-old-fashioned-prejudices/

Nothing new, just a few comments. Always nice to see that kind of stuff online somewhere.

 

[Schanez]

the problem is, that many ****** people (wich i accept) wrote to BioWare that it's unfair that you can actualy sleap with a girl when beeing one, i mean the asari romance and you can't sleap with a guy when beeing one. BioWare doesn't want to do this because then the game would have 18+ mark on it and they want to avoid this. So they delated the ****** romances. There is no female female sex scene in ME2. You can try but it never ends in bed. I think it's wise. But what i want to say is that the sex scenes from ME1 were better then the ones from ME2. It's just my opinion.

[Wittand25]

Demoniszcze wrote...

the problem is, that many ****** people (wich i accept) wrote to BioWare that it's unfair that you can actualy sleap with a girl when beeing one, i mean the asari romance and you can't sleap with a guy when beeing one. BioWare doesn't want to do this because then the game would have 18+ mark on it and they want to avoid this. So they delated the ****** romances. There is no female female sex scene in ME2. You can try but it never ends in bed. I think it's wise. But what i want to say is that the sex scenes from ME1 were better then the ones from ME2. It's just my opinion.

Homosexual content does not atomatically lead to a higher age rating, that is a myth.
Second the only romance involving actual sex is the Miranda one (ok maybe also Jacob  ) the others dont show the sex they only imply it, so there would be no problem. Compare this to the DA scenes that showed the m/m,f/f and m/f sex way more explicit than any of the romances in ME2 and had the same rating.

[Schanez]

Wittand25 wrote...

Demoniszcze wrote...

the problem is, that many ****** people (wich i accept) wrote to BioWare that it's unfair that you can actualy sleap with a girl when beeing one, i mean the asari romance and you can't sleap with a guy when beeing one. BioWare doesn't want to do this because then the game would have 18+ mark on it and they want to avoid this. So they delated the ****** romances. There is no female female sex scene in ME2. You can try but it never ends in bed. I think it's wise. But what i want to say is that the sex scenes from ME1 were better then the ones from ME2. It's just my opinion.

Homosexual content does not atomatically lead to a higher age rating, that is a myth.
Second the only romance involving actual sex is the Miranda one (ok maybe also Jacob  ) the others dont show the sex they only imply it, so there would be no problem. Compare this to the DA scenes that showed the m/m,f/f and m/f sex way more explicit than any of the romances in ME2 and had the same rating.

I'm just writing what i rad on a BioWare site. Thay don't want to do it because it could lead to 18+ mark.

[Nomex11]

This thread is gay

[The Uncanny]

Nomex11 wrote...

This thread is gay

[SorenTrigg]

Demoniszcze wrote...

I'm just writing what i rad on a BioWare site. Thay don't want to do it because it could lead to 18+ mark.

Uhm...source?
And plus, it *is* already rated M. M is only for 18 and over.

[Siansonea]

Nomex11 wrote...

This thread is gay

*yawns*

[Ryzaki]

Honestly where the heck did that BS myth about gay content boosting age rating come from anyway? O_o

[Mimaiselphenai]

From Nowhereland.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Ryzaki wrote...

Honestly where the heck did that BS myth about gay content boosting age rating come from anyway? O_o

I think it stems from the tendency of North American bodies like the MPAA ratings board to rate a film harder for depictions of homosexual romance/sex than they do for similar heterosexual content. Something that might get R for straight content can potentially end up with NC-17 for gay content. See, for example, the discussion in This Film Is Not Yet Rated. Customs agents can similarly come down harder on gay-themed materials than they do for straight-themed. It's a double standard, really - the content quality is pretty much the same, regardless of what sex the actors are - but an established one, unfortunately.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 13 avril 2010 - 10:08 .

[Ryzaki]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Honestly where the heck did that BS myth about gay content boosting age rating come from anyway? O_o

I think it stems from the tendency of North American bodies like the MPAA ratings board to rate a film harder for depictions of homosexual romance/sex than they do for similar heterosexual content. Something that might get R for straight content can potentially end up with NC-17 for gay content. See, for example, the discussion in This Film Is Not Yet Rated. Customs agents can similarly come down harder on gay-themed materials than they do for straight-themed. It's a double standard, really - the content quality is pretty much the same, regardless of what sex the actors are - but an established one, unfortunately.

They do that for games too which makes me facepalm. Games that should be T get rated M and so on. Like honestly I hate NA at times. Need to get their bloody heads out of the sand.

But the fact remains that M/M in ME wouldn't boost the rating regardless. 

[The Uncanny]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Honestly where the heck did that BS myth about gay content boosting age rating come from anyway? O_o

I think it stems from the tendency of North American bodies like the MPAA ratings board to rate a film harder for depictions of homosexual romance/sex than they do for similar heterosexual content. Something that might get R for straight content can potentially end up with NC-17 for gay content. See, for example, the discussion in This Film Is Not Yet Rated. Customs agents can similarly come down harder on gay-themed materials than they do for straight-themed. It's a double standard, really - the content quality is pretty much the same, regardless of what sex the actors are - but an established one, unfortunately.

I've seen that movie. The level of hypocrisy is absolutely staggering. The bias against any form of mature depiction of homosexuality is sickening. And these people are utterly unaccountable! It's ridiculous. 

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Ryzaki wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Honestly where the heck did that BS myth about gay content boosting age rating come from anyway? O_o

I think it stems from the tendency of North American bodies like the MPAA ratings board to rate a film harder for depictions of homosexual romance/sex than they do for similar heterosexual content. Something that might get R for straight content can potentially end up with NC-17 for gay content. See, for example, the discussion in This Film Is Not Yet Rated. Customs agents can similarly come down harder on gay-themed materials than they do for straight-themed. It's a double standard, really - the content quality is pretty much the same, regardless of what sex the actors are - but an established one, unfortunately.

They do that for games too which makes me facepalm. Games that should be T get rated M and so on. Like honestly I hate NA at times. Need to get their bloody heads out of the sand.

But the fact remains that M/M in ME wouldn't boost the rating regardless. 

True enough. They could put back the sideboob and minor nudity as well as m/m options, and they'd still be well within the M rating.

[illerianna]

Ryzaki wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Honestly where the heck did that BS myth about gay content boosting age rating come from anyway? O_o

I think it stems from the tendency of North American bodies like the MPAA ratings board to rate a film harder for depictions of homosexual romance/sex than they do for similar heterosexual content. Something that might get R for straight content can potentially end up with NC-17 for gay content. See, for example, the discussion in This Film Is Not Yet Rated. Customs agents can similarly come down harder on gay-themed materials than they do for straight-themed. It's a double standard, really - the content quality is pretty much the same, regardless of what sex the actors are - but an established one, unfortunately.

They do that for games too which makes me facepalm. Games that should be T get rated M and so on. Like honestly I hate NA at times. Need to get their bloody heads out of the sand.

But the fact remains that M/M in ME wouldn't boost the rating regardless. 

Oh, how I love ratings.

Alice in Wonderland (2010): Rated PG for fantasy action/violence involving scary images and
situations, and for a smoking caterpillar.




Constantine (2005): Rated R for violence and demonic images.


They either base ratings on the dumbest things, or run out of ideas and start calling what they don't like "inappropriate" to get a rating that will keep things from corruptin our childrenz!

For the record: Constantine was probably one of the LEAST violent movies I have ever seen. Why it got an R, I will never know. I guess dem fake demonz be corruptin our childrenz to teh devil amirite?

[Ryzaki]

...Now I want to look for dumb ratings on video games....

*goes in search*

ROFLMAO They forgot about Kelly! XD 

In this action
role-playing game, players' objective is to defeat an alien enemy that
is silently abducting entire human colonies. Players must assemble a
team of henchmen, command a space ship, and travel to distant planets
across a futuristic galaxy. At its core, the game involves a combination
of conversation/interaction with characters, and ground-based (i.e.,
"run-and-gun") space battle: Players use assault rifles, submachine
guns, shotguns, and pistols to kill humans, robots, and aliens in the
frenetic third-person firefights. Some enemies emit large splashes of
blood when shot (particularly with "head shots"); several enemies lie
stagnant in pools of blood—factors for the Mature rating. Henchmen are
able to freeze and shatter enemies, engage in melee attacks, set robots
on fire, and use telekinesis to disable aliens. A handful of cutscenes
depict dramatic interrogations in which human characters are threatened,
punched, kicked, and shot (in the leg) by alien creatures. The game
contains themes of illicit drug use, addiction, and trafficking—often
focal points to the branching storylines; for example, "Morinth likes
dancing while on a drug called Hallex," "Narcotics flooded my
veins when I attacked," and "The asari injecting so many drugs into me
was terrifying." During the course of the game, players may enter a bar
where alien pole dancing exists (choreography highlighted on big-screen
monitors) or hear suggestive comments such as "krogan sexual
deviants enjoy salarian flexibility" and "if this is just about
sex, maybe you should just f**king say so." [Italics added]
Players can also choose to have "romantic encounters" with the
alien/human henchmen characters; this involves watching a guided
cutscene in which two characters flirt, kiss, and/or embrace: clothed
alien/human characters may prop a partner on top of a space console,
clear away the clutter from a bed-slab, unzip a future-blouse, or just
talk it out. Though an alien/human may gyrate her hips while on top
(fleeting—one-to-two seconds), actual sex is never depicted—the
camera cuts away to space furniture and ceilings.

 

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=28347


...That's not actually too bad. XD

Though I must have missed all this blood. Or maybe its just because I'm used to the ridculous amounts in DA.

Though yeah...Constantine didn't deserve an R. That movie was tame.

Gotta love  American. "OMG DEMONS! THINK OF THE CHILDRENS!!!" meanwhile they're telling said children that if they don't follow a set of rules in a roughly 2000 year old book they're going to hell where they'll burn in the pits of fire for all eternity. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 avril 2010 - 10:45 .