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Mass Effect is already rated M. ME1 had lesbian nudity in it, yet remained M and not AO. I don't think this is an issue of ratings. ME2 also has lesbian content that could have been easily avoided. Kelly would have easily been straight, for example. They are not afraid of having lesbian content, and if you consider Dragon Age, not afraid of having same sex content in general. We should be pushing for content in future Bioware games, rather than focusing on those which have already been released. Liara's romance will continue in ME3, we can be sure of that - there is your lesbian romance. If ME3 has new squad mates, they can make the new human male lead bisexual. Problem solved.

[Atomic Space Vixen]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...


Gay is a human word. That's my point. By human definition, yeah aliens can be gay. From our point of view they can be homosexual. Just like from our point of view, aliens can be ugly. And from theirs, we can be ugly. Within an alien culture though, they wouldn't necessarily follow the same thinking as us in terms of sexual attraction, or anything for that matter. So while WE may call two aliens of the same gender "gay," they may not.

The word "homosexual" (in relation to same-sex attraction) didn't exist until the 19th century, "gay" to describe homosexuality until the 20th. That doesn't mean there were no homosexuals prior to the 1800s.

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

 Do they stop and think "wow, I'm having sex with another male/female. I must be gay?" Or are they just following instinct?

All sexuality is instinct. It's just a matter of where that instinct is directed, or in the case of fetishes, misdirected.

Modifié par Atomic Space Vixen, 14 avril 2010 - 02:36 .

[Thicketford]

Mass Effect 1 was rated '12' in the UK. Just thought that was interesting considering it was rated 'M' in the US.



As for the thread topic itself, I am 100% in support of same sex romances in Mass Effect 2 & 3.

[Urdnot_Write]

Having even a potentially homosexual Male Shepard would make ME3 less appealing to the 360 FPSers who pick it up after Gears of War or Halo. I'm not against it, but I doubt it'll happen.

[Ziggy]

 

Urdnot_Write wrote...
Having even a potentially homosexual Male Shepard would make ME3 less appealing to the 360 FPSers who pick it up after Gears of War or Halo. I'm not against it, but I doubt it'll happen.

There really aren't that many people who would check whether a game has homosexual content and on that basis not buy it (see dragon age). 
Also that kind of thinking should not be catered for. Let them stick to their brainless FPS games - if bioware supports homosexuality they should follow their own paragon shep's example: "I won't let fear compromise who I am. We can [create a best selling game] and we don't have to sell our souls to do it." 
A tad melodramatic maybe but you get the point.

[Wittand25]

Urdnot_Write wrote...

Having even a potentially homosexual Male Shepard would make ME3 less appealing to the 360 FPSers who pick it up after Gears of War or Halo. I'm not against it, but I doubt it'll happen.

I believe most of the players would accept a m/m romance if Shepard cleary and unmistakely has to start the romance ( not even the most ardent supporters here would want a male npc ninja-romancing Shepard) and they get something like www.youtube.com/watch in return.

[lastpatriot]

Shepard is supposed to be the iconic hero and dedicated soldier. To allow for same-sex romance would destory the core values of the character he/she was created to be.



Were Bioware to change this aspect of the game for ME3, I for one would not buy it out of principal.

[NKKKK]

LOL ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Ryzaki]

lastpatriot wrote...

Shepard is supposed to be the iconic hero and dedicated soldier. To allow for same-sex romance would destory the core values of the character he/she was created to be.

Were Bioware to change this aspect of the game for ME3, I for one would not buy it out of principal.

Uh...too late. Same sex romances are already in the game. Or did LiaraxFemShep and FemShepxThe Consort and the onesided FemShepxSamara flow past your eyesight? 

[Wittand25]

Ryzaki wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Shepard is supposed to be the iconic hero and dedicated soldier. To allow for same-sex romance would destory the core values of the character he/she was created to be.

Were Bioware to change this aspect of the game for ME3, I for one would not buy it out of principal.

Uh...too late. Same sex romances are already in the game. Or did LiaraxFemShep and FemShepxThe Consort and the onesided FemShepxSamara flow past your eyesight? 

You forgot FemshepxKelly the stripping shrink

[spacehamsterZH]

Yeah... Femshep can definitely be played as a straight-up lesbian if you want.



Still, though, and I'm sure this has been said a million times, I'm just barging in on this thread without reading much of it - if your Maleshep is gay, maybe the reason he's not getting any of the male crew members in the sack is because they all happen to be straight. Doesn't mean you're being forced to play him as a straight character, he just doesn't have a love interest.

[Ryzaki]

Wittand25 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Shepard is supposed to be the iconic hero and dedicated soldier. To allow for same-sex romance would destory the core values of the character he/she was created to be.

Were Bioware to change this aspect of the game for ME3, I for one would not buy it out of principal.

Uh...too late. Same sex romances are already in the game. Or did LiaraxFemShep and FemShepxThe Consort and the onesided FemShepxSamara flow past your eyesight? 

You forgot FemshepxKelly the stripping shrink

I was trying to forget.

[FataliTensei]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Yeah... Femshep can definitely be played as a straight-up lesbian if you want.

Still, though, and I'm sure this has been said a million times, I'm just barging in on this thread without reading much of it - if your Maleshep is gay, maybe the reason he's not getting any of the male crew members in the sack is because they all happen to be straight. Doesn't mean you're being forced to play him as a straight character, he just doesn't have a love interest.

Not this again

[LiquidGrape]

lastpatriot wrote...

Shepard is supposed to be the iconic hero and dedicated soldier. To allow for same-sex romance would destory the core values of the character he/she was created to be.

Were Bioware to change this aspect of the game for ME3, I for one would not buy it out of principal.

[spacehamsterZH]

FataliTensei wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Doesn't mean you're being forced to play him as a straight character, he just doesn't have a love interest.

Not this again

I know, I know. Saying you want your gay Maleshep to have an LI in the game if straight males and females and bi/lesbian females get one makes perfect sense to me, I just don't understand why some people are acting as if BW is forcing a sexual orientation on their character or saying every single character should be romanceable by everyone. If Tali isn't into women, she isn't into women.

[FataliTensei]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Doesn't mean you're being forced to play him as a straight character, he just doesn't have a love interest.

Not this again

I know, I know. Saying you want your gay Maleshep to have an LI in the game if straight males and females and bi/lesbian females get one makes perfect sense to me, I just don't understand why some people are acting as if BW is forcing a sexual orientation on their character or saying every single character should be romanceable by everyone. If Tali isn't into women, she isn't into women.

Mainly the devs comments on the issue shows they're trying to force one on us, this "pre-defined" character nonsense is very much proof of that

[Wittand25]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Yeah... Femshep can definitely be played as a straight-up lesbian if you want.

Still, though, and I'm sure this has been said a million times, I'm just barging in on this thread without reading much of it - if your Maleshep is gay, maybe the reason he's not getting any of the male crew members in the sack is because they all happen to be straight. Doesn't mean you're being forced to play him as a straight character, he just doesn't have a love interest.

This is true and the reason why we want a m/m love intrest for ME3, or even better sooner.
This can be done either by having one of the existing LI revealing attraction to MShep (like Tali, who only got intrested in him in ME2 and was not so in ME1) or by introducing a new LI e.g. Hendel Mitra (a gay human biotic from one of the novels)

[spacehamsterZH]

FataliTensei wrote...
Mainly the devs comments on the issue
shows they're trying to force one on us, this "pre-defined" character
nonsense is very much proof of that

I've only read the comment that they want the game to be PG-13. Which is a load of horse-doodoo, of course. I wouldn't deny for a second that the motivations behind what sexual orientations are present in Mass Effect are the obvious "it's okay as long as both girls are hot" double standard, but if you ignore that and just look at what's actually in thegame, you can play Shepard as a gay male, it's just conspicuously difficult for him to get laid.

Wittand25 wrote...
This can be done either by having one of the existing LI revealing attraction to MShep (like Tali, who only got intrested in him in ME2 and was not so in ME1) or by introducing a new LI e.g. Hendel Mitra (a gay human biotic from one of the novels)

I actually thought Tali suddenly being attracted to Maleshep was beyond retarded too, so if male homosexual romance is introduced in ME3, I really hope it's done via a new character that's clearly established as being gay or bi and not with that suddenly being tacked on to a pre-existing character. The latter, just like Tali's attraction to Shepard, just reeks of cheap fanservice all over.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 14 avril 2010 - 01:52 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I've only read the comment that they want the game to be PG-13. Which is a load of horse-doodoo, of course. I wouldn't deny for a second that the motivations behind what sexual orientations are present in Mass Effect are the obvious "it's okay as long as both girls are hot" double standard, but if you ignore that and just look at what's actually in thegame, you can play Shepard as a gay male, it's just conspicuously difficult for him to get laid.

I actually thought Tali suddenly being attracted to Maleshep was beyond retarded too, so if male homosexual romance is introduced in ME3, I really hope it's done via a new character that's clearly established as being gay or bi and not with that suddenly being tacked on to a pre-existing character. The latter, just like Tali's attraction to Shepard, just reeks of cheap fanservice all over.

Read the FAQ in the first three posts of this thread, Spacehamster - it provides a pretty comprehensive overview of the issue as we see it.

Anywho, RE this:

...if you ignore that and just look at what's actually in thegame, you can
play Shepard as a gay male, it's just conspicuously difficult for him
to get laid.

The cool part about this game is that it's a game with writers.  They could easily - and seamlessly - add this, by adding to an existing character.  Maybe Tali's not into women, but we don't know that for sure.  But if the writers use the power of plot to plausibly establish that she is, then she is, and everyone wins.

Writing in a new character would be acceptable too, and it could work well, but I think there would have to be a much bigger introduction - like, "series of missions in an expansion" sort of deal.

I was thinking about Hendel on the way to work this morning, and he's still the best fit for a new addition, but I also decided that he would probably top Shep.  Which could be a pretty interesting dynamic, since so far, Shepard has been the most assertive one in all the romantic interactions thus far.

[spacehamsterZH]

TommyServo wrote...

Read the FAQ in the first three posts of this thread, Spacehamster - it provides a pretty comprehensive overview of the issue as we see it.

Uh *cough*, yeah, that would've helped.

I gotta agree Mazuka's explanation makes precious little sense. There's a vast difference between renegade and paragon Shepard, and they're always emphasizing how important your choices supposedly are. He/She's clearly not a pre-defined character. Not to mention the pre-defined sexual orientation somehow magically doesn't apply to Femshep.

[Ryzaki]

Top Shep? What is this a yaoi manga? :/

They could alternate you know.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 avril 2010 - 02:48 .

[lastpatriot]

LiquidGrape wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Shepard is supposed to be the iconic hero and dedicated soldier. To allow for same-sex romance would destory the core values of the character he/she was created to be.

Were Bioware to change this aspect of the game for ME3, I for one would not buy it out of principal.

Wow... that's just so sick!   AAGGGH, my eyes are burning!

Actually, I played my FemShep pretty much based on how I would actually act in the situations we're faced with in the game (yeah... I'm an RPG fan to the core).  With that being the case, I had no idea there were lesbian options unti I saw some of the threads on this site.

[Servo to the bitter end]

^^^Seriously confused by the formatting of this post.

That said, for people who are just coming into the discussion, please read the FAQ in the first three posts of this thread. No one expects you to drift through 200 pages, but those three posts are key. And if you like what you're seeing and support the inclusion of this content, join Fight For the Love! You can link there from the banner in my (and many other's) sig.

Modifié par TommyServo, 14 avril 2010 - 03:23 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

lastpatriot wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Shepard is supposed to be the iconic hero and dedicated soldier. To allow for same-sex romance would destory the core values of the character he/she was created to be.

Were Bioware to change this aspect of the game for ME3, I for one would not buy it out of principal.

Wow... that's just so sick!   AAGGGH, my eyes are burning!

Actually, I played my FemShep pretty much based on how I would actually act in the situations we're faced with in the game (yeah... I'm an RPG fan to the core).  With that being the case, I had no idea there were lesbian options unti I saw some of the threads on this site.

Not quite seeing how gay LI options would "destroy the core values of the character" Shep is, though. Especially since (as had been repeatedly stated) no one would be forced to play them through, and lesbian/bisexual Shepard already exists. I hadn't noticed my space marine become less competent at their job because of someone else's Liara/FemShep romance. Apparently you didn't notice it, either.

So what was the problem, again?

[lastpatriot]

Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.