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[FataliTensei]

The Uncanny wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...




The Camera Loves Dat Ass. <3

What's really scary is that on every new playthrough... I'd swear it gets bigger...

I knoooo right

[spacehamsterZH]

jlb524 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

if absolutely everyone wants to get into the main character's pants, it's just incredibly silly.

Doesn't this happen already?

It kinda does, yeah. Which is why every potential "love" constellation that isn't possible actually feels refreshing to me. Kasumi is my favorite character now because not only can she not be "romanced", she also rubs it in your face that she's attracted to the boring boyscout you probably hate. The way things are going, I predict that in ME3, we'll finally find out just why the mass relays are shaped like that as Femshep's face briefly contorts in a suggestive 5-second scene before the final confrontation with the Reapers - but Maleshep is totally not into that and only dry-humps Warren if they're confirmed females and keep their bras on.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 14 avril 2010 - 11:44 .

[Arik7]

spacehamsterZH wrote...
  but Maleshep is totally not into that and only dry-humps Warren if they're confirmed females and keep their bras on.

That sums up BioWare's ideology on "acceptable" romances in Mass Effect....  You can even have relations with giant lizards as long as they are opposite-sex.  That's where Casey Hudson "draws the line", as he puts it.

Modifié par Arik7, 15 avril 2010 - 12:02 .

[spacehamsterZH]

To be fair, romancing a mass relay is only half as much fun if you're male.



Just in case that joke required further elucidation. I'll let myself out now.

[jlb524]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Just in case that joke required further elucidation. I'll let myself out now.

What joke?

[spacehamsterZH]

jlb524 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Just in case that joke required further elucidation. I'll let myself out now.

What joke?

Why the mass relays are shaped that way. Half as much fun. If you're male. I'm gonna get banned if I explain this in any more detail.

[Ryzaki]

You Scored as True
Neutral[/b

]A True Neutral person has two faces- either these people are merely apathetic, preferring to focus their minds on more important things, or these people truly believe in a balance of all things. To these people, there can be no light without some darkness. These people also have no dedication to, or intrinsic distrust of, laws.
True Neutral
85%
Chaotic Good
70%
Lawful Evil
60%
Neutral Good
60%
Neutral Evil
50%
Chaotic Neutral
45%
Chaotic Evil
45%
Lawful Good
40%
Lawful Neutral
30%

Aw...

I'm true neutral. I guess you guys were right. I thought I would at least be neutral good.  

Quiz here for those who are bored.

http://quizfarm.com/...nment/index.php
Also LOL at the relay joke. I got it.

Heh here's another one: 

I
Am A: Chaotic Neutral Human Bard/Sorcerer (1st/1st Level)
Ability
Scores:
Strength-9
Dexterity-10
Constitution-11
Intelligence-9
Wisdom-10
Charisma-9
Alignment:Chaotic
Neutral A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is
an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn't
strive to protect others' freedom. He avoids authority, resents
restrictions, and challenges traditions. A chaotic neutral character
does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of
anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a
desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different
from himself suffer). A chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable,
but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off
a bridge as to cross it. Chaotic neutral is the best alignment you can
be because it represents true freedom from both society's restrictions
and a do-gooder's zeal. However, chaotic neutral can be a dangerous
alignment because it seeks to eliminate all authority, harmony, and
order in society.
Race:Humans
are the most adaptable of the common races. Short generations and a
penchant for migration and conquest have made them physically diverse as
well. Humans are often unorthodox in their dress, sporting unusual
hairstyles, fanciful clothes, tattoos, and the like.
Primary
class:Bards often serve as
negotiators, messengers, scouts, and spies. They love to accompany
heroes (and villains) to witness heroic (or villainous) deeds firsthand,
since a bard who can tell a story from personal experience earns renown
among his fellows. A bard casts arcane spells without any advance
preparation, much like a sorcerer. Bards also share some specialized
skills with rogues, and their knowledge of item lore is nearly
unmatched. A high Charisma score allows a bard to cast high-level
spells.
Secondary
class:Sorcerers are arcane
spellcasters who manipulate magic energy with imagination and talent
rather than studious discipline. They have no books, no mentors, no
theories just raw power that they direct at will. Sorcerers know fewer
spells than wizards do and acquire them more slowly, but they can cast
individual spells more often and have no need to prepare their
incantations ahead of time. Also unlike wizards, sorcerers cannot
specialize in a school of magic. Since sorcerers gain their powers
without undergoing the years of rigorous study that wizards go through,
they have more time to learn fighting skills and are proficient with
simple weapons. Charisma is very important for sorcerers; the higher
their value in this ability, the higher the spell level they can cast.
Find
out <a href='http://www.easydamus.../character.html'
target='mt'>What Kind of Dungeons and Dragons Character Would You
Be?, courtesy of Easydamus <a
href='mailto:zybstrski@excite.com'>(e-mail)


[b]Detailed
Results:

Alignment:
Lawful Good -----
XXXXXXXXXXXX (12)
Neutral Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXX (14)
Chaotic
Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (21)
Lawful Neutral --
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (20)
True Neutral ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
(22)
Chaotic Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (29)
Lawful
Evil ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXX (13)
Neutral Evil ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (15)
Chaotic
Evil ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (22)

Law & Chaos:
Law
----- XXXXXX (6)
Neutral - XXXXXXXX (8)
Chaos --- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
(15)

Good & Evil:
Good ---- XXXXXX
(6)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXXX (14)
Evil ---- XXXXXXX (7)

Race:
Human
---- XXXXXXXXXXXXX (13)
Dwarf ---- XXXXXXXX (8)
Elf ------ XXXXXX
(6)
Gnome ---- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Halfling - XXXXXXXX (8)
Half-Elf
- XXXXXXXX (8)
Half-Orc - XXXXXXXX (8)

class:
Barbarian
- (-6)
Bard ------ XXXX (4)
Cleric ---- (-6)
Druid -----
(0)
Fighter --- (0)
Monk ------ (-23)
Paladin --- (-17)
Ranger
---- (-4)
Rogue ----- XX (2)
Sorcerer -- XXXX (4)
Wizard ----
XXXX (4)

Hm...true neutral and chaotic neutral. Which one am I?

XD

http://easydamus.com/character.html

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 avril 2010 - 01:35 .

[Fade9wayz]

You Scored as Lawful EvilA Lawful
Evil person is someone who respects laws, customs, or traditions, but
will try to bend them to suit their own needs. These people have little
concern for others they hurt, being intrinsically self motivated.
Despite this, they value order and obedience to authority.

Lawful Evil 70%
Chaotic Good 60%
Chaotic Neutral 55%
Lawful Good 50%
Neutral Good 45%
True Neutral 40%
Neutral Evil 35%
Chaotic Evil 30%
Lawful Neutral 30%


Tsaa, not very surprised there. Eplains, my mostly renegon Sheps... Oh well, I should go

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 15 avril 2010 - 01:15 .

[Ryzaki]

Fade9wayz wrote...

You Scored as Lawful EvilA Lawful
Evil person is someone who respects laws, customs, or traditions, but
will try to bend them to suit their own needs. These people have little
concern for others they hurt, being intrinsically self motivated.
Despite this, they value order and obedience to authority.

Lawful Evil 70%
Chaotic Good 60%
Chaotic Neutral 55%
Lawful Good 50%
Neutral Good 45%
True Neutral 40%
Neutral Evil 35%
Chaotic Evil 30%
Lawful Neutral 30%


Tsaa, not very surprised there. Eplains, my mostly renegon Sheps... Oh well, I should go

Fun little quizzies. 

You're...evil. *gasps* I'm ashamed! Even if my evil score is higher than it should be. :innocent:


Edit: Arik you spoilsport.

Fine.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 avril 2010 - 01:50 .

[Arik7]

Please don't derail this thread.

[SorenTrigg]

Do any of you think it would even be possible for a new romancable character to be added to ME2?

Given how many crew members we have now, with Kasumi and Zaeed being added, and how both of the new characters lack dialogue wheels (maybe because they cannot actually HAVE dialogue wheels).

[Ryzaki]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Do any of you think it would even be possible for a new romancable character to be added to ME2?
Given how many crew members we have now, with Kasumi and Zaeed being added, and how both of the new characters lack dialogue wheels (maybe because they cannot actually HAVE dialogue wheels).

Probably not. The cost factor of bringing in someone to voice all the dialogue would be high and wouldn't have a very high return anyways. So our best bet is probably ME3 to be hoenst.

[Brako Shepard]

Of course same sex relationships should be allowed in games.



Personally I thought the love scene in Mass Effect 2 (I have seen Tali's and Jack's) was done very tastefully, and could very well have suited both gay and straight gamer cutscenes for there characters.

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fade9wayz wrote...

You Scored as Lawful EvilA Lawful
Evil person is someone who respects laws, customs, or traditions, but
will try to bend them to suit their own needs. These people have little
concern for others they hurt, being intrinsically self motivated.
Despite this, they value order and obedience to authority.

Lawful Evil 70%
Chaotic Good 60%
Chaotic Neutral 55%
Lawful Good 50%
Neutral Good 45%
True Neutral 40%
Neutral Evil 35%
Chaotic Evil 30%
Lawful Neutral 30%


Tsaa, not very surprised there. Eplains, my mostly renegon Sheps... Oh well, I should go

Fun little quizzies. 

You're...evil. *gasps* I'm ashamed! Even if my evil score is higher than it should be. :innocent:


Edit: Arik you spoilsport.

Fine.

Pssst, I'm Neutral Good.:innocent:

[SirGladiator]

For a totally new character I agree, it would be considerably more difficult. To simply put the romances back in that were cut out, would be a breeze. All it would take is for the guy who made them cut them out to change his mind, and they could put them back quite easily. Probably if he does ultimately relent they will include it as part of a future DLC.



If they were to make one of the existing characters into an LI, such as Zaeed or Kasumi, that would be not as easy as simply putting back what was once already there, but it would certainly be much easier than bringing in a whole new character and getting interactions with the other teammates and such. It would simply require bringing one VA in for some lines, they could probably find a way to do that without too much difficulty. So ultimately it just depends on what they want to do, and of course what they're allowed to do.

[Wittand25]

There are several things that Bioware could do to resolve the matter in my mind
I will list them with what I consider the pro and con for them
Before the release of ME3:

• Make a patch for ME1 that opens (and contains the few missing things for) the same-sex-romance in ME1 and allows it to be carry on through the trilogy.
• Make a patch (DLC) that opens (and contains the missing things for) one of the LI per gender in ME2 to have a same-sex romance and allow that romance to be carried over to ME3.
• Create  new crewmates of both genders that serve as same-sex romance options
• Make a patch(DLC) that creates a male counterpart to Kelly Chambers and works as a semi-romance for Shepard regardless of gender

Pro and Cons of the various options before the release of ME3:

• Pro: the LIs from ME1 are fan-favourites and the romances would be part of every game of the trilogy. Contra: Some would object that this is retconning and also quite some work for an old game, so it is unlikely to happen unless EA can get the rights for ME1 from Microsoft, decides to bring it to other consoles and has the required work done alongside porting the game (or while making an enchanted directors cut as promotion for ME3).
• Pro: It is the current game and has a team already working on DLC, so it is less work Contra: Some see it as retconning and fanservice, although I am sure that most of the resulting forum activity could be dealt with an statement that those romances were planned from the beginning but made DLC because of time constraints
• Pro: No retconnning and more content for everyone. Contra: Much work and the Normandy is already overflowing with squadmates, so unless those new npcs replace some of the existing ones (like if you recruit the (bi- )or homosexual new crewmember Zaeed or Kasumi leave the crew permanently) there would be problem with space. The work would also mean short of an Awakening like expansion this would not happen.
• Pro: No retconning and female Shepards get a male fling to which evens out the gender ratio of available flings. Contra: Not a real and complete romance but better than nothing.

Modifié par Wittand25, 15 avril 2010 - 02:15 .

[catabuca]

When I argue for s/s options I'm generally a) bemoaning the lack of them to date (and BW's awful PR), and only really asking for them to be included in ME3.

Whether there will be a 'romance' or 'relationship' dlc pack for ME2 is a grey area: BW have expressed tentative interest, but I don't think it can be construed as something that will happen. And if it did, I believe the only way to include s/s content in it would be through the inclusion of a new character, and I don't think that will happen. If there is going to be a relationship pack for ME2 I think it will be to merely extend the current romances (and probably be bundled with other content, and not actually called a 'romance' pack). Of course, what the heck do I know?

I firmly stand by my contention that the best way (both in terms of pleasing fans - because come on, we know Tali & Garrus were fanservice - and in terms of story progression and ease of implementation) for s/s content to be included in ME3 is by opening up Ashley and Kaidan as s/s options. That does not mean removing their hetero romances, but adding s/s ones. I understand Collider's thoughts against this, but I disagree with his argument (and neither of us are ever going to convince the other to change our minds, so no point trying anymore ).

For anyone else who's vaguely interested in my reasoning:

Why I support Ashley/Kaidan for s/s LIs in ME3:
1) If all LIs to date across both games make a return in some capacity as romancable in ME3 (barring their gruesome death) that gives us a hefty total of 9 people who want to jump Shep's bones (albeit split 5/5 between mShep/fShep). If new characters are added to that list in ME3 the place is going to get a little crowded with pheromones.*

2) Ashley/Kaidan's interest in a s/s Shepard could be handled through storytelling in a very convincing and tender way (a way that would also ensure their romances were different for m/f Shep - thus avoiding 'cut&paste' issues). With the gap of the 2nd game, the passage of time, the passage of the events of ME2, and the threat of impending doom could lead to Ash/Kaidan feeling able to open up and admit their feelings to Shep. This works well with the trilogy arc of personal growth.**

3) Doing it this way would feel natural to those players of the whole series (of course, with the caveats that it need be written well so only those who want to access it need to), as it shows growth and progression, through characters we recognise. For those players new to ME3 it would appear as natural as 2 new characters turning up, who appear to have a history with Shep, and who are available to romance by both genders. For those who have played ME2 but not 1, the lack of contact with Ash/Kaidan in ME2 leaves their past relationships shrouded in mystery.***

* If the added character/s is/are merely like Kelly then there won't have really been an addition of a s/s LI in ME3.
** I believe it is this gap during ME2 that could really make it work, and that is also why I don't think it could work as well for any of the squad in ME2.
*** The exact thing that so many of us hated about ME2 - not being able to
interact with Ash/Kaidan so much, or to
explain ourselves - could be a saving grace because whatever it left
unsaid can still be written in ME3.

[Siansonea]

catabuca wrote...

When I argue for s/s options I'm generally a) bemoaning the lack of them to date (and BW's awful PR), and only really asking for them to be included in ME3.

Whether there will be a 'romance' or 'relationship' dlc pack for ME2 is a grey area: BW have expressed tentative interest, but I don't think it can be construed as something that will happen. And if it did, I believe the only way to include s/s content in it would be through the inclusion of a new character, and I don't think that will happen. If there is going to be a relationship pack for ME2 I think it will be to merely extend the current romances (and probably be bundled with other content, and not actually called a 'romance' pack). Of course, what the heck do I know?

I firmly stand by my contention that the best way (both in terms of pleasing fans - because come on, we know Tali & Garrus were fanservice - and in terms of story progression and ease of implementation) for s/s content to be included in ME3 is by opening up Ashley and Kaidan as s/s options. That does not mean removing their hetero romances, but adding s/s ones. I understand Collider's thoughts against this, but I disagree with his argument (and neither of us are ever going to convince the other to change our minds, so no point trying anymore ).

For anyone else who's vaguely interested in my reasoning:

Why I support Ashley/Kaidan for s/s LIs in ME3:
1) If all LIs to date across both games make a return in some capacity as romancable in ME3 (barring their gruesome death) that gives us a hefty total of 9 people who want to jump Shep's bones (albeit split 5/5 between mShep/fShep). If new characters are added to that list in ME3 the place is going to get a little crowded with pheromones.*

2) Ashley/Kaidan's interest in a s/s Shepard could be handled through storytelling in a very convincing and tender way (a way that would also ensure their romances were different for m/f Shep - thus avoiding 'cut&paste' issues). With the gap of the 2nd game, the passage of time, the passage of the events of ME2, and the threat of impending doom could lead to Ash/Kaidan feeling able to open up and admit their feelings to Shep. This works well with the trilogy arc of personal growth.**

3) Doing it this way would feel natural to those players of the whole series (of course, with the caveats that it need be written well so only those who want to access it need to), as it shows growth and progression, through characters we recognise. For those players new to ME3 it would appear as natural as 2 new characters turning up, who appear to have a history with Shep, and who are available to romance by both genders. For those who have played ME2 but not 1, the lack of contact with Ash/Kaidan in ME2 leaves their past relationships shrouded in mystery.***

* If the added character/s is/are merely like Kelly then there won't have really been an addition of a s/s LI in ME3.
** I believe it is this gap during ME2 that could really make it work, and that is also why I don't think it could work as well for any of the squad in ME2.
*** The exact thing that so many of us hated about ME2 - not being able to
interact with Ash/Kaidan so much, or to
explain ourselves - could be a saving grace because whatever it left
unsaid can still be written in ME3.

I agree with this.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Zevran hits on everyone, though, and it's not entirely out of character; I didn't find it especially jarring with either sex of Warden, because he was easy enough to shut down if you weren't interested or were pursuing someone else. Yeah, he comments on your looks a lot but to me it didn't comes across as being because he was bisexual or even particularly sexually aggressive - he's just a manipulative little bastard, by upbringing and training, trying to swing events in his favour.

There's nothing saying that an ME character, especially an established one, would act in the same way if open as a s/s LI. Certainly none of them currently flirt or are as free with the complements as Zevran is. Please, though, no more assassins.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 15 avril 2010 - 03:49 .

[catabuca]

I, personally, think it's pretty weak to say 'I don't like someone of the same sex hitting on my character'. You can't control what others do to you in life, all you can control is how you react. As long as BW write in enough options for people to react in realistic (yet unbigoted) ways there really isn't a problem.

Where there is an issue is there not being enough clear options to say yes or no to advances in the first place. You could let Zevran down easily. Trying to navigate a platonic friendship with Jacob was another matter altogether.

[Wittand25]

catabuca wrote...

When I argue for s/s options I'm generally a) bemoaning the lack of them to date (and BW's awful PR), and only really asking for them to be included in ME3.

Whether there will be a 'romance' or 'relationship' dlc pack for ME2 is a grey area: BW have expressed tentative interest, but I don't think it can be construed as something that will happen. And if it did, I believe the only way to include s/s content in it would be through the inclusion of a new character, and I don't think that will happen. If there is going to be a relationship pack for ME2 I think it will be to merely extend the current romances (and probably be bundled with other content, and not actually called a 'romance' pack). Of course, what the heck do I know?

I firmly stand by my contention that the best way (both in terms of pleasing fans - because come on, we know Tali & Garrus were fanservice - and in terms of story progression and ease of implementation) for s/s content to be included in ME3 is by opening up Ashley and Kaidan as s/s options. That does not mean removing their hetero romances, but adding s/s ones. I understand Collider's thoughts against this, but I disagree with his argument (and neither of us are ever going to convince the other to change our minds, so no point trying anymore ).

For anyone else who's vaguely interested in my reasoning:

Why I support Ashley/Kaidan for s/s LIs in ME3:
1) If all LIs to date across both games make a return in some capacity as romancable in ME3 (barring their gruesome death) that gives us a hefty total of 9 people who want to jump Shep's bones (albeit split 5/5 between mShep/fShep). If new characters are added to that list in ME3 the place is going to get a little crowded with pheromones.*

2) Ashley/Kaidan's interest in a s/s Shepard could be handled through storytelling in a very convincing and tender way (a way that would also ensure their romances were different for m/f Shep - thus avoiding 'cut&paste' issues). With the gap of the 2nd game, the passage of time, the passage of the events of ME2, and the threat of impending doom could lead to Ash/Kaidan feeling able to open up and admit their feelings to Shep. This works well with the trilogy arc of personal growth.**

3) Doing it this way would feel natural to those players of the whole series (of course, with the caveats that it need be written well so only those who want to access it need to), as it shows growth and progression, through characters we recognise. For those players new to ME3 it would appear as natural as 2 new characters turning up, who appear to have a history with Shep, and who are available to romance by both genders. For those who have played ME2 but not 1, the lack of contact with Ash/Kaidan in ME2 leaves their past relationships shrouded in mystery.***

* If the added character/s is/are merely like Kelly then there won't have really been an addition of a s/s LI in ME3.
** I believe it is this gap during ME2 that could really make it work, and that is also why I don't think it could work as well for any of the squad in ME2.
*** The exact thing that so many of us hated about ME2 - not being able to
interact with Ash/Kaidan so much, or to
explain ourselves - could be a saving grace because whatever it left
unsaid can still be written in ME3.

Ash/Kaidan present the problem that they are not available for a s/s romance for players that did not play through the other two games. I agree that they would be ideal canditates for the s/s romance in ME3 iexept for that.
Ofcourse this can also be an argument for making them the options and allowing newly created Shepards to determine key decisions of the past. That way the gay/lesbian option would be totaly optional and completly avoidable for those who dont want it.
The male Kelly Chambers I only mentioned as fix for ME2. Relativly easy and cheap to produce and implement, but still an offer to players wanting m/m content. Having someone like Kelly in ME3 without also having a proper and completly developed romance too would be nearly as bad as having no option at all.

Modifié par Wittand25, 15 avril 2010 - 04:09 .

[catabuca]

Wittand25 wrote...

Ash/Kaidan present the problem that they are not available for a s/s romance for players that did not play through the other two games. I agree that they would be ideal canditates for the s/s romance in ME3 iexept for that.
Ofcourse this can also be an argument for making them the options and allowing newly created Shepards to determine key decisions of the past. That way the gay/lesbian option would be totaly optional and completly avoidable for those who dont want it.
The male Kelly Chambers I only mentioned as fix for ME2. Relativly easy and cheap to produce and implement, but still an offer to players wanting m/m content. Having someone like Kelly in ME3 without also having a proper and completly developed romance too would be nearly as bad as having no option at all.

Oh wait, so does ME2 'kill' Ash for fShep and Kaidan for mShep if you don't import? That is a very good point actually, and one I had totally overlooked (I've only played imported Sheps, all of whom saved Kaidan).

Well, yes, I think one of the reasons I'll never play a fresh ME2 game is the lack of control over ME1 decisions. I recognise perhaps BW could only go so far in a realistic way (without resorting to a screen full of check boxes just after facial reconstruction), but it was lacking.

I freely admit that doesn't make good sense for new players then, who haven't had the opportunity to save K/A. A technical reason rather than a story reason, but a reason nonetheless. That's not to say there couldn't be a way around it, but still. Woe.

(I'm still going to advocate it though, because it is my preferred method of implementing s/s.)

[Temper_Graniteskul]

catabuca wrote...

I, personally, think it's pretty weak to say 'I don't like someone of the same sex hitting on my character'. You can't control what others do to you in life, all you can control is how you react. As long as BW write in enough options for people to react in realistic (yet unbigoted) ways there really isn't a problem.

Where there is an issue is there not being enough clear options to say yes or no to advances in the first place. You could let Zevran down easily. Trying to navigate a platonic friendship with Jacob was another matter altogether.

True enough. I think there are a lot of people in favour of all romances being PC intiated, and very few of them starting out as aggressively flirtatious on either side of the conversation (oh hai, Jacob). There's a distinction to be drawn between kind of flirty and being hit on, I think, and as a general rule aggressive pursuit should probably be sparingly done by NPCs.

With Zevran too, I think there's something of a double standard that does wander into 'I don't like that guy hitting on my guy' territory. As a character, he's just as aggressive with female Wardens as he is with male ones, so I have some difficulty sympathizing with males who are uncomfortable with it when it likely would have passed without comment if he only did it to female Wardens. Suck it up, buttercup.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Wittand25 wrote...

Ash/Kaidan present the problem that they are not available for a s/s romance for players that did not play through the other two games. I agree that they would be ideal canditates for the s/s romance in ME3 iexept for that.
Ofcourse this can also be an argument for making them the options and allowing newly created Shepards to determine key decisions of the past. That way the gay/lesbian option would be totaly optional and completly avoidable for those who dont want it.
The male Kelly Chambers I only mentioned as fix for ME2. Relativly easy and cheap to produce and implement, but still an offer to players wanting m/m content. Having someone like Kelly in ME3 without also having a proper and completly developed romance too would be nearly as bad as having no option at all.

I think there's a lot to be said for allowing new players to make key choices from past stories rather than saddling them with the same group of defaults. The awkward conversation Shep has with Jacob and Miranda right at the start of ME2 would have been a good place to put that - you have half a dozen or so options with the binary choices (Wrex died on Virmire, Wrex didn't die) and maybe a third neutral or smartass answer to enable the Renegade Shepard choices that Bioware made by default for the character.

I still think it would have been more entertaining if Kelly Chambers in ME2 could have been either male or female, depending on the conversation Shepard had with TIM. The name doesn't indicate one way or the other - you could have had a 50/50 shot of getting either a female or a male Kelly. Probably too late now, though.