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[uzivatel]

Atomic Space Vixen wrote...

Because that doesn't happen in any other thread at all. 

How does that make anything better?

Mass Effect was already re-written to remove them. This thread isn't telling BW to re-write the story but letting them know that the re-writing they've already done isn't kosher.

Its their game and as such they are the ones who make the decision. There is nothing wrong about it...

SorenTrigg wrote...

So, uzivatel, why exactly are you so against this thread existing?
Just because we are suggesting something we would like to be in the game?

Its more wondering about what do you expect to achieve by keeping this thread alive (other than making baby Jesus cry).

Modifié par uzivatel, 15 avril 2010 - 09:57 .

[FataliTensei]

uzivatel wrote...

Atomic Space Vixen wrote...

Because that doesn't happen in any other thread at all. 

How does that make anything better?

Mass Effect was already re-written to remove them. This thread isn't telling BW to re-write the story but letting them know that the re-writing they've already done isn't kosher.

Its their game and as such they are the ones who make the decision. There is nothing wrong about it...

SorenTrigg wrote...

So, uzivatel, why exactly are you so against this thread existing?
Just because we are suggesting something we would like to be in the game?

Its more wondering about what do you expect to achieve by keeping this thread alive (other than making baby Jesus cry).

isn't it kinda obvious why we keep this thread alive

[Some Geth]

FataliTensei wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

Atomic Space Vixen wrote...

Because that doesn't happen in any other thread at all. 

How does that make anything better?

Mass Effect was already re-written to remove them. This thread isn't telling BW to re-write the story but letting them know that the re-writing they've already done isn't kosher.

Its their game and as such they are the ones who make the decision. There is nothing wrong about it...

SorenTrigg wrote...

So, uzivatel, why exactly are you so against this thread existing?
Just because we are suggesting something we would like to be in the game?

Its more wondering about what do you expect to achieve by keeping this thread alive (other than making baby Jesus cry).

isn't it kinda obvious why we keep this thread alive

To make baby ninja cry 

[uzivatel]

FataliTensei wrote...

isn't it kinda obvious why we keep this thread alive 

Support group? 

Modifié par uzivatel, 15 avril 2010 - 10:28 .

[The Uncanny]

Just to reiterate what Stanley Woo posted back on page 142 of this very thread:

No, nothing said on the forums will force BioWare to do anything. It does, however, give us an idea of what some of our players would like to see in a future product. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing people's wishlists for future products.

I believe that supporters are also asking for additions to the romance options available, and not replacements. As in, "in addition to the romance we've already seen in Mass Effect, we'd like to have the option of same sex romances for our Shepard." If this is the case, it's a valid request, so let's please keep this thread as civil and mature as we can. Thank you all for your participation over the last 142 pages. I'll let it keep going as long as there's something to discuss and as long as people can stay mature about it.

[125632]

it still makes me laugh how most queers just romanced jack

[The Uncanny]

[catabuca]

Hey uzivetal - I hope you're posting in all the wishlist threads, because, you know, I hear there are hundreds of forum posters actually asking BioWare to consider alterations, additions and so on for ME3.



Then you'd better ask everyone who has an "I support X" banner in their signature to remove it because I bet the writers already know which characters they're going to bring back in ME3. No point fans expressing an opinion or a desire there either.



Also, while you're at it, don't ever lobby your MP/Congressperson/Senator/or-other-location-specific-representative, because they've already been voted in, now they can do what they want, there's no point trying to change that.

[LiquidGrape]

If I may, uzivatel; the gist of your argument seems to be;

"Everything is perfect. Discourse is superfluos."

- Frankly, you're the model citizen of North Korea.
Your faultless overlords are sure to reward your drone-like loyalty.

[catabuca]

125632 wrote...

it still makes me laugh how most queers just romanced jack

I trust you have a handy pie chart to hand with your figures backing up that claim, sonny jim.

[FataliTensei]

catabuca wrote...

125632 wrote...

it still makes me laugh how most queers just romanced jack

I trust you have a handy pie chart to hand with your figures backing up that claim, sonny jim.

Do they ever?

[LiquidGrape]

FataliTensei wrote...

catabuca wrote...

125632 wrote...

it still makes me laugh how most queers just romanced jack

I trust you have a handy pie chart to hand with your figures backing up that claim, sonny jim.

Do they ever?

[125632]

LiquidGrape wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

catabuca wrote...

125632 wrote...

it still makes me laugh how most queers just romanced jack

I trust you have a handy pie chart to hand with your figures backing up that claim, sonny jim.

Do they ever?

supporting same sex romance and jack in me3, lol

[LiquidGrape]

125632 wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

catabuca wrote...

125632 wrote...

it still makes me laugh how most queers just romanced jack

I trust you have a handy pie chart to hand with your figures backing up that claim, sonny jim.

Do they ever?

supporting same sex romance and jack in me3, lol

Your brilliant deduction; a single instance proves your point.
Sad thing is, I'm not a "queer".
- I suggest you go back to school and learn a thing or two about egalitarian social structures.
You might pick up on a few things people of sound mind decided on a couple of decades ago.
Time to catch up. You're making a scene.

[SirGladiator]

I imagine that all the LIs, including Jack, will be back in some fashion in ME3. Maybe not all of them will be actual teammates, who knows, but they would almost have to be back in some fashion, because naturally anybody who had them as an LI would want the relationship to continue into ME3. I definitely want Tali, Jack, and Miranda all back (and fully available to both Sheps, of course), in addition to Liara and Ashley who we know will be back as well (and certainly Ashley will be fully available to my FemShep, as she was in ME1 and ME2, thanks to the ME1 mod) .

[uzivatel]

catabuca wrote...

Hey uzivatel - I hope you're posting in all the wishlist threads, because, you know, I hear there are hundreds of forum posters actually asking BioWare to consider alterations, additions and so on for ME3.

Many of those people in the wishlist thread demand gameplay changes, which is fine by me.

Then you'd better ask everyone who has an "I support X" banner in their signature to remove it because I bet the writers already know which characters they're going to bring back in ME3.

Are you saying there is way to show your opinion without creating 200+ page thread in general discussion? ridiculous... 

Also, while you're at it, don't ever lobby your MP/Congressperson/Senator/or-other-location-specific-representative, because they've already been voted in, now they can do what they want, there's no point trying to change that.

Well, thats basically how things do work around here 
That said, video games are not about democracy. The same goes for books or movies.

Modifié par uzivatel, 16 avril 2010 - 07:11 .

[Wittand25]

uzivatel wrote...
That said, video games are not about democracy. The same goes for books or movies.

You are right they are a buisness, and this thread is a way to show Bioware that there is a market and demand for this kind of content and that the majority of their fanbasae is supportive of the inclusion of such content, see the poll or compare the size of the support and the opposition group.
The lenght of this thread does not even come from supporters bumping or spamming in favour of the subject, because we dont usually do that (unlike the other major threads in the spoiler section), but because from time to time someone new like you comes in and starts a discussion or because some new article or information on the topic of s/s in ME gets published and discussed here.

[uzivatel]

Wittand25 wrote...

You are right they are a buisness, and this thread is a way to show Bioware that there is a market and demand for this kind of content and that the majority of their fanbasae is supportive of the inclusion of such content, see the poll or compare the size of the support and the opposition group.

I would like to think about games more like an art form (as far as writing and design are concerned, anyway) 

Modifié par uzivatel, 16 avril 2010 - 12:04 .

[spacehamsterZH]

uzivatel wrote...
]I would like to think about games more like an art form (as far as writing and design are concerned, anyway) 

Any art form that involves some sort of direct and explicit audience interaction requires the artist to take into account how his/her audience is composed because it influences what they will expect. If the artistic intention behind Mass Effect is for as many people to be able to identify with Commander Shepard, and a large part of the audience could identify with him/her significantly better if it were possible to play him/her as a homosexual, then this is worth considering for purely artistic reasons. I would be inclined to agree with you when we're talking about purely narrative art forms like movies, novels or comic books, and that's part of the reason why I don't like the idea of an existing NPC's sexual orientation being deliberately changed. But the point of videogames as an art form isn't just to tell a story, especially for an RPG, it's what it offers the players in terms of how they can interact with the world and influence events that happen around them. Reading these forums, I find that a lot of people place a bit too much emphasis on the romance options for my tastes, but that's not limited to this thread, it's all over the place.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 16 avril 2010 - 12:22 .

[Tirigon]

uzivatel wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

You are right they are a buisness, and this thread is a way to show Bioware that there is a market and demand for this kind of content and that the majority of their fanbasae is supportive of the inclusion of such content, see the poll or compare the size of the support and the opposition group.

I would like to think about games more like an art form (as far as writing and design are concerned, anyway) 

Art should advance humanity, and ignoring homosexuality doesn´t do that.
Showing it as a completely normal thing does, as it could possibly increase the customers tolerance towards others.

[uzivatel]

Tirigon wrote...

Art should advance humanity, and ignoring homosexuality doesn´t do that.
Showing it as a completely normal thing does, as it could possibly increase the customers tolerance towards others.

Are you serious?

spacehamsterZH wrote...

If the artistic intention behind Mass Effect is for as many people to be able to identify with Commander Shepard, and a large part of the audience could identify with him/her significantly better if it were possible to play him/her as a homosexual, then this is worth considering for purely artistic reasons. I would be inclined to agree with you when we're talking about purely narrative art forms like movies, novels or comic books, and that's part of the reason why I don't like the idea of an existing NPC's sexual orientation being deliberately changed. But the point of videogames as an art form isn't just to tell a story, especially for an RPG, it's what it offers the players in terms of how they can interact with the world and influence events that happen around them. Reading these forums, I find that a lot of people place a bit too much emphasis on the romance options for my tastes, but that's not limited to this thread, it's all over the place.

I believe they do know their intentions way better than we do. 
That said, I guess BioWare never intended us to really identify with Shepard. They have restricted our "freedoms" even compared to some of the older games in order to make the game feel more cinematic and story-centric.

Modifié par uzivatel, 16 avril 2010 - 01:14 .

[spacehamsterZH]

uzivatel wrote...I believe they do know their intentions way better than we do.

If that's what you "believe", then maybe you should stop wasting everybody's time with your assumptions about their intentions. Just a thought. Sorry I tried to take you seriously, won't happen again.

[uzivatel]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

If that's what you "believe", then maybe you should stop wasting everybody's time with your assumptions about their intentions. Just a thought. Sorry I tried to take you seriously, won't happen again.

I believe Americans have some saying about kettle and pot...

Modifié par uzivatel, 16 avril 2010 - 02:07 .

[MagicalSarai]

Somewhere this thread took a turn from supporting the same sex romances... to where it's just people trying to either defend why they want it, or people saying that there is no reason for this thread... or people making no sense whatsoever.



To get this somewhat towards a topic... I really liked an idea that was brought up in some of the earlier pages of this thread: Making the relationship options more clear. Either by color, or heck, ME has always had some sort of way to let you know what you are doing. Why not a little [Romance] before whatever speech choice will start you down that path. That way, when you click it, you know full well... "I'm starting a romance with this character." For that matter, you could even have three options: [Romance], [Platonic], [Rejection]... to really make it clear for people who are "uneasy" about this sort of thing. (why you should be uneasy about some fictional characters? I don't know.)



As it has been said many time... this is the modern world, and something like same sex romance shouldn't be stressed as an issue. It's not like I go around worrying about who every other person and who they are sleeping with, or dating, or marrying. I don't look at two hillbillies and say... well that's wrong. Doesn't affect the greater structure of the world, and it won't affect the greater story arc of ME3... thus no reason for people to get so bent out of shape.



My two cents, yet again.