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[SorenTrigg]

I have never done it myself, but, it is mostly due to some of the dialogue in Mass Effect being ambiguous, so if you think you are being nice, sometimes you end up doing more than that.

[SorenTrigg]

That *is* something that gets irritating. Getting locked out of things just because you do not want to have a relationship with the character.

That was actually something I liked about Dragon Age, since it did seem to have some just deep friendship interactions instead of relationship for some characters.

[Siansonea]

I also really dislike the Paragon=Romance paradigm. There has to be a better way to implement romance options. Yes, being 'nice' is often the way to initiating a romantic connection with someone, but I would argue that with characters like Jack, being a bit Renegade would be more effective. Jack doesn't respect someone who comes off as too nice.

Romance should be a left-side of the dialogue wheel option. Green text (green means GO) in the center-left position on the wheel should be the standard. The option should be open if Shepard either has a high enough Paragon or Renegade score, depending on the character being romanced, and variable according to the character being romanced. For instance, romancing Miranda should require a relatively modest Paragon OR Renegade, but romancing Samara should require a very high Paragon score, and romancing Jack should require a very high Renegade score.

[jlb524]

SorenTrigg wrote...

I have never done it myself, but, it is mostly due to some of the dialogue in Mass Effect being ambiguous, so if you think you are being nice, sometimes you end up doing more than that.

In Mass Effect?  I thought it was always clear as day.  I have yet to accidently romance Kaidan, Jacob, Thane, or Garrus in all my ME games.

I've romanced Liara though on purpose.

[Collider]

jlb524 wrote...

How do people 'accidentally' romance characters? I'm curious. I've never done this and I've played every BioWare game out there. Am I doing something wrong?

As male Shepard you get locked into the Ashley romance just for being nice to her. Or at least just for not being a ******.

[Spatchmo]

Collider wrote...


As male Shepard you get locked into the Ashley romance just for being nice to her. Or at least just for not being a ******.

At least there is an easy way out of that romance, though. A terribly cruel, but easy way out.

[Collider]

Spatchmo wrote...

Collider wrote...


As male Shepard you get locked into the Ashley romance just for being nice to her. Or at least just for not being a ******.

At least there is an easy way out of that romance, though. A terribly cruel, but easy way out.

Fortunately for me I never save Ashley.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

How do people 'accidentally' romance characters? I'm curious. I've never done this and I've played every BioWare game out there. Am I doing something wrong?

As male Shepard you get locked into the Ashley romance just for being nice to her. Or at least just for not being a ******.

I played through once as a male and didn't have a problem with avoiding her.   I guess I was a ******, though I never felt like it.

Kaidan's really easy to avoid romancing, IMO.

[ScotGaymer]

I have found actually it is quite easy to "romance" certain characters without actually really realising your doing it.



Tali's romance is fairly obvious. Jack is sorta in the middle But Miranda god her romance comes out of nowhere. I mean honestly. One minute u think ur being friends the next she is peeling off her jump suit wanting to get wit ya.



Yikes.



I ran.



Fast.



Straight to Tali. Lol.

[Atomic Space Vixen]

I found it was pretty easy to see where the dialogue was going, which is why my Paragon Shepard didn't romance anyone. It hasn't been two years for her, so she's not going to just move on.
In fact, it would have been nice to see this as a dialogue option. If anything, if Shepard romanced anyone in ME1, then they could have made "I still love Liara/Kaiden/Ashley" a Paragon choice and "Screw Liara/Kaiden/Ashley, I'm getting myself some of you" a Renegade choice - possibly with "Liara/Kaiden/Ashley moved on, perhaps I should try to do so too" the neutral option. Not that I know if Liara or Ashley moved on or not, I've only played through once so far and that was my Kaiden romance import.

Modifié par Atomic Space Vixen, 17 avril 2010 - 06:11 .

[Walrusninja]

I had probs with Jack frankly. Was like "hi dude-thing" she was like "die". You keep being nice and then she gets all emotional and asks you if you like her. Unless you say "yup totally dude" she hates you forever. There is no way to avoid that , that I've found, wooot! Basement Jack is angry I guess.

[AlanC9]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Furthermore, what 'real costs' are there, anyhow?
I mean, DA did not really lose sales or anything.
If it is just making people uncomfortable, so what? People need to learn to deal, it is not like a virtual bisexual person is going to make them gay.

I might have given the wrong impression back there. Sure, they need to learn to deal, and in the long run, they will. Or they'll just withdraw to enclaves and gripe about how bad things are nowadays. But even if we think these folks are going to lose, and ought to lose, we can still have a little empathy for them, no? They're the ones who are going to pay the price, as popular culture inevitably becomes hostile to them.

As for the short term, I dunno what companies should do. ME sales might have been hurt in a way that DA's weren't; just the tone of the two boards has convinced me that the ME fanbase is a lot less mature than DA's. Maybe it's a shooter thing? If I was running Bio, I would probably have taken a small financial hit rather than cater to those folks. But that's easy for me to say, as someone with no responsibility.

[SirGladiator]

Its actually the opposite, the guy who cut our romances out may have somehow 'thought' he was doing a good thing from a business standpoint, but given the huge controversy and the fact that DA ended up having much bigger sales than ME2, its safe to say that it wasn't a 'choose the romances or choose more sales', it was actually 'cut the romances or get more sales'. ME2 was reviewed so much better than DA, its so superior in so many different ways, that for it to not have sold twice as many copies is a surprise, the fact that it actually sold way LESS is nothing short of shocking, and its because they upset a majority of their fanbase by cutting out the romances. Maybe 10 or 20 years ago it might've made good business sense to do something like that, but not today.

[Ryzaki]

What? ME2 didn't sell less because of the lack of s/s romances! I'm not saying it necessarily sold more either tbh. But I think it was more of the fact that the sequel was so different from the first one and if that 6.6 million number is true it sold more.

[Walrusninja]

Dragon Age was across PC , 360 and PS3 , slight helper in the sales dept. Just saying:)

[Zinoviy]

The whole "-gamename- sold more" straw man is sort of old, since the "data" can be so easily manipulated to make one's argument look better.

[Wittand25]

Walrusninja wrote...

Dragon Age was across PC , 360 and PS3 , slight helper in the sales dept. Just saying:)

DA sold nearly as many times as ME1 on the 360 alone (1.13 millions compared to 1.17 in the first 23 weeks in amerika according to vgchartz ), not counting the other platforms.
But I agree with the poster above me, those numbers are both inacurate and can be easily manipulated so they should not be threated as anything but an educated quess.

[sw33ts]

Atomic Space Vixen wrote...

I found it was pretty easy to see where the dialogue was going, which is why my Paragon Shepard didn't romance anyone. It hasn't been two years for her, so she's not going to just move on.
In fact, it would have been nice to see this as a dialogue option. If anything, if Shepard romanced anyone in ME1, then they could have made "I still love Liara/Kaiden/Ashley" a Paragon choice and "Screw Liara/Kaiden/Ashley, I'm getting myself some of you" a Renegade choice - possibly with "Liara/Kaiden/Ashley moved on, perhaps I should try to do so too" the neutral option. Not that I know if Liara or Ashley moved on or not, I've only played through once so far and that was my Kaiden romance import.

That would've been nice when I first played it I was gonna cheat on liara and i would've used the whole "screw liara" bit even as a mostly paragon shep.

[Atomic Space Vixen]

I have to agree that I don't think the romance options affected sales much, if at all. I suspect it's more likely that the market is saturated with shooters, whereas a really good and more traditional western-style (as opposed to Japanese-style) RPG is much harder to find.

Which, to me, makes cutting out same-sex romance to further try to appeal to that demographic that much more sad.

[catabuca]

Ryzaki wrote...
Shepard wants his Kaidan. Poor MShep. Doomed to be the only gay guy in the Mass Effect universe.

This

[DanaScu]

jlb524 wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

I have never done it myself, but, it is mostly due to some of the dialogue in Mass Effect being ambiguous, so if you think you are being nice, sometimes you end up doing more than that.

In Mass Effect?  I thought it was always clear as day.  I have yet to accidently romance Kaidan, Jacob, Thane, or Garrus in all my ME games.

I've romanced Liara though on purpose.

My Shepard was being a paragon/nice to Jacob and the conversation started heading in a direction I didn't intend. I end up mostly completely ignoring him except for his loyalty quest, since I don't want to romance him. Or Garrus, but that one was easy to see before you went there. In ME, my femshep had a visit from Kaidan to inform her she had to choose between himself and Liara. Since I had had no intention of romancing Kaidan and had no idea how he ended up getting romantic interest from paragon/friendly discussions, it wasn't a hard decision. I haven't had problems with Zevran; either romance or rejection. I've noticed that being nice to Alastair seems to put a romance on track, even though my fempc had no intentions of doing that, being interested in the bard and all....

[MagicalSarai]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Collider wrote...
It's really hard to fathom how people can be genuinely uncomfortable of being hit by the same sex in a video game. Unless you are forced to return flirts, which you aren't, it should not be a problem. At most you turn them down and move on.

I would prefer my Shepard to not be propositioned by the same sex in the video game .  I don't think that this is asking too much on my part.  Uncomfortable?  Maybe...maybe not, but is it necessary?  I don't think it is.

It's called realism... in life people come up to you and hit on you... others are more tactful. You can't say... I want every character to act like: x, y and z... because that's just not being realistic. You'll have people that are blunt, people that are shy... those that openly say "I want to jump your bones" and others who will long for you, but never hint at it or even make a pass. If that's the way life is... it's the way that the characters in a game should be, to give it more hints of realism. I personally find it to be amusing when a character comes on to my PC. Zevran was many of my points of chuckling, just because he was overly flirtacious.

I just know that if every romance option had to be started by... talking and randomly bringing up Shep's "interest" in them... it would be boring. Some people should come out and say it first, others should hit on femShep (cause she's a sexy beech ) and others femShep should have to hit on or make a pass at... it's like reality. Makes it fun... in my personal opinion.