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Erode_The_Soul wrote...

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Actually from what I remember the outrage was mostly about the fact that it was 100% hardcore pornography where you could control every movement in graphic, juicy detail. There's no outrage like outrage over things that don't exist.


I'm pretty sure it was even called a rape simulator at one point. Never underestimate a journalists' ability to blow things out of proportion -- and this is in NO WAY limited to the folks at Fox News.


Oh yeah. :lol: "Porn simulator!" You have have completel control during the sexual acts! Its lewd and explicit!

*rolls*

The bolded QFT.

True but Fox News does it so badly that its hysterical. :lol:

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Ryzaki wrote...

Oh yeah. :lol: "Porn simulator!" You have have completel control during the sexual acts! Its lewd and explicit!

*rolls*

The bolded QFT.

True but Fox News does it so badly that its hysterical. :lol:


That used to be the case, but now every single one of them does it. <_<
None worse so than anyone else; they're all equally terrible, IMO.

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To decrease the off-topic ness of my question a little. I'm going to put it in this thread.



Does anyone know if there was any ruckus/controversy/protest over the same sex romances in Dragon Age similar to the noise Fox News made over ME1?

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Erode_The_Soul wrote...
That used to be the case, but now every single one of them does it. <_<
None worse so than anyone else; they're all equally terrible, IMO.



Yeah news has certainly gone down the tubes. Now its mostly sensatialist garbage. Give me the bloody truth once in a while. <_<

jon0945 wrote...

To decrease the off-topic ness of my
question a little. I'm going to put it in this thread.

Does
anyone know if there was any ruckus/controversy/protest over the same
sex romances in Dragon Age similar to the noise Fox News made over
ME1?


None that I saw. Other than some amusing article
that I don't think anyone took seriously.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 avril 2010 - 08:16 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah news has certainly gone down the tubes. Now its mostly sensatialist garbage. Give me the bloody truth once in a while. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]




"Truth?!"

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"You can't handle the truth!"

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 23 avril 2010 - 08:22 .


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LiquidGrape wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah news has certainly gone down the tubes. Now its mostly sensatialist garbage. Give me the bloody truth once in a while. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]




"Truth?!"

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"You can't handle the truth!"


:crying:

Yes I can.

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spacehamsterZH wrote...

I don't like the idea of characters being intentionally changed to appease the part of the fanbase that mistakes these games for dating sims. I feel the same way about Tali and Garrus suddenly being "revealed to be" attracted to their respective opposite sex Shepards. It cheapens not only these characters but the game as a whole because I'm left with the feeling that there's really no particular vision behind who these characters are and they'll be changed for stupid reasons. Sorry. I wouldn't have one bit of a problem with the idea of any of these characters being homosexual or bi if it had always been an established part of their personalities, but if it's tacked on after the fact because people are demanding it, it feels to me like the writers don't really give a damn who these characters are.


Or how about the idea that Ash and Kaiden had worked with Shepard on the Normandy prior to Mass Effect? We don't know how long they'd been in the same crew together, we just know where the story picks up. Tali and Garrus are perfectly logical romance options AFTER Mass Effect, because you (playing the character of shepard) not only recruit and spend the entire game with them... but you know them since their introduction into the mythos. Thus, when you die and return... it allows for the ability of romantic feelings to have developed upon seeing one another again, fighting for life of death, and finally realizing that in a whole galaxy of chaos... this is the one person you've been able to count on for two games now. I think it doesn't cheapen the character at all, if anything it makes them stronger. By making them go for either Shepard, it allows this sort of depth on both sides of the spectrum, rather than having people go: "oh! oh no, he's completely straight..." or "no way would she be into women!" May I ask why? It's freaking space! If we're tolerant (as a majority of people seem to be) of s/s relationships, in our current day world, then why would a world so much more advanced... why would it be so repressed? I see nothing wrong with it.

As for people confusing it with a dating sim? Well that argument carries just about as much weight as the "Avatar was a crappy film" argument. You can say it, but results say otherwise. Now can it be improved upon? Of course... no denying that. However, Mass Effect is far better written and takes care with this notion far better than many other games out there.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Actually from what I remember the outrage was mostly about the fact that it was 100% hardcore pornography where you could control every movement in graphic, juicy detail. There's no outrage like outrage over things that don't exist.


I'm pretty sure it was even called a rape simulator at one point. Never underestimate a journalists' ability to blow things out of proportion -- and this is in NO WAY limited to the folks at Fox News.


Oh yeah. :lol: "Porn simulator!" You have have completel control during the sexual acts! Its lewd and explicit!


Can you imagine how many copies Mass Effect WOULD have sold if that was the case? Every male between the ages of 12-60 would have been trying to get their hands on a copy. Posted Image

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jon0945 wrote...

To decrease the off-topic ness of my question a little. I'm going to put it in this thread.

Does anyone know if there was any ruckus/controversy/protest over the same sex romances in Dragon Age similar to the noise Fox News made over ME1?



None that I´m aware of.

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MagicalSarai wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Actually from what I remember the outrage was mostly about the fact that it was 100% hardcore pornography where you could control every movement in graphic, juicy detail. There's no outrage like outrage over things that don't exist.


I'm pretty sure it was even called a rape simulator at one point. Never underestimate a journalists' ability to blow things out of proportion -- and this is in NO WAY limited to the folks at Fox News.


Oh yeah. :lol: "Porn simulator!" You have have completel control during the sexual acts! Its lewd and explicit!


Can you imagine how many copies Mass Effect WOULD have sold if that was the case? Every male between the ages of 12-60 would have been trying to get their hands on a copy. Posted Image


Heck if that porn simulator included MShepxKaidan I would have been trying to get a copy too. :innocent:

Though it wouldn't have been wasy to find due to the ridculousness of most game stores not carring AO games. <_<

And ME would have had to be PC exclusive because for some mindboggling reason Microsoft and Sony won't allow AO games on their system. :pinched:

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I admit, it was the term 'dating sim' that I found especially irritating. I've seen it used in a couple of different places, and always in a context that sought to dismiss any discussion of (or calls for improvement for) the romances in ME as somehow 'not what ME is about.' I don't know if it's just shooter fans who are annoyed at any mention of non-combat that clutters up their game, or people who genuinely think the people who discuss this aspect of the games are desperate basement-dwellers who can't get a date, or what.

I mean, if you want to point at a straw man that needs to be set on fire, it's that one. 'Dating sim' Miranda's ass. <_<

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It would at some more variety to the game.

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i'd love to see a same sex romance in mass effect. thanks for asking!

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 Me too! It's only fair. And I don't see how any reasonable argument against including the option can be made.

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Hattie wrote...

 Me too! It's only fair. And I don't see how any reasonable argument against including the option can be made.


What about "Homosexuality is a sin and gays will burn in hell after they die of AIDS!!!" ?

[irony off]


I think that´s how some of the people who are against same sex romances think.

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Tirigon wrote...

Hattie wrote...

 Me too! It's only fair. And I don't see how any reasonable argument against including the option can be made.


What about "Homosexuality is a sin and gays will burn in hell after they die of AIDS!!!" ?

[irony off]


I think that´s how some of the people who are against same sex romances think.


Well that's hardly reasonable now is it.
I've yet to see a genuine reasoned argument against including same sex romances as a clear option and I don't find that surprising as I don't believe one exists.
The only arguments anyone has are baseless and unreasoned and that's all they can be because that's all homophobia is.

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I remember a while back Microsoft instituted a ban on XBL usernames that indicated the user's homosexuality. Users with names like that were often attacked via headset and on forums, and they wanted to put a stop to all the drama. I wouldn't be surprised if the decision not to include m/m homosexuality in Mass Effect had something to do with it. They are primarily intended as 360 games, and there's a homophobia problem in that fanbase.

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spacehamsterZH wrote...

I remember a while back Microsoft instituted a ban on XBL usernames that indicated the user's homosexuality. Users with names like that were often attacked via headset and on forums, and they wanted to put a stop to all the drama. I wouldn't be surprised if the decision not to include m/m homosexuality in Mass Effect had something to do with it. They are primarily intended as 360 games, and there's a homophobia problem in that fanbase.

Fable 1+2 are games for the X-Box (2 even exclusive for the console) and have homosexuality.
And regarding the usernames Microsoft now allows the terms gay, lesbian and some others aslong as they are not used in an derogative way in usernames and profiles.

Modifié par Wittand25, 24 avril 2010 - 12:22 .


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Wittand25 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I remember a while back Microsoft instituted a ban on XBL usernames that indicated the user's homosexuality. Users with names like that were often attacked via headset and on forums, and they wanted to put a stop to all the drama. I wouldn't be surprised if the decision not to include m/m homosexuality in Mass Effect had something to do with it. They are primarily intended as 360 games, and there's a homophobia problem in that fanbase.

Fable 1+2 are games for the X-Box (2 even exclusive for the console) and have homosexuality..


Male on male? "Hot lesbians" don't count, ME has that too...

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spacehamsterZH wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I remember a while back Microsoft instituted a ban on XBL usernames that indicated the user's homosexuality. Users with names like that were often attacked via headset and on forums, and they wanted to put a stop to all the drama. I wouldn't be surprised if the decision not to include m/m homosexuality in Mass Effect had something to do with it. They are primarily intended as 360 games, and there's a homophobia problem in that fanbase.

Fable 1+2 are games for the X-Box (2 even exclusive for the console) and have homosexuality..


Male on male? "Hot lesbians" don't count, ME has that too...


Yes, in both fables you can marry a man even if you're another man and your status screen even lists your sexuality, gay if you've only slept with a man, bi if you've slept with both a man and woman and straight is you've slept with only a woman, the same for females, just vice-versa

in fable 2 there's even a quest where you go find a boyfriend for some guy

granted neither the men or women in fable are particularly...appealing in any way :sick:

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Em23 wrote...

I've yet to see a genuine reasoned argument against including same sex romances as a clear option and I don't find that surprising as I don't believe one exists.
The only arguments anyone has are baseless and unreasoned and that's all they can be because that's all homophobia is.


There isn't a good reason why it shouldn't be included.  No one on these forums has yet to supply one and I don't think anyone will be able to.  

People that are against it (though, mostly they are just against the m/m stuff) are just disgusted by it or fearful of it and pull crap reasons out of their behind to try to justify it.  Disgust and fear are not usually considered good reasons for not wanting content.  There are things in ME2 that disgust me or make me 'unconfortable' but I can deal with it...I'm a big girl.

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jlb524 wrote...
There are things in ME2 that disgust me or make me 'unconfortable' but I can deal with it...I'm a big girl.


Having to do all that planet scanning in every playthrough makes me want to run and hide.
Behind the sofa.
With my hands over my eyes.

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Well many people wouldn´t buy the game if it has homosexuality in it for fear it could "infect" them.



As long as these are more than the ones who want it, companies are likely to follow the idiots.

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Em23 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Hattie wrote...
Me too! It's only fair. And I don't see how any reasonable argument against including the option can be made.

What about "Homosexuality is a sin and gays will burn in hell after they die of AIDS!!!" ?
[irony off]
I think that´s how some of the people who are against same sex romances think.

Well that's hardly reasonable now is it.
I've yet to see a genuine reasoned argument against including same sex romances as a clear option and I don't find that surprising as I don't believe one exists.
The only arguments anyone has are baseless and unreasoned and that's all they can be because that's all homophobia is.

I think some people in this thread do not bother to take into account a person's upbringing as to that person's thoughts about homosexuality.  There are also other factors as well, including but not limited to the community and surroundings that this invidual grew up with. 

In other words, just because a person is against s/s romance in the game or homosexuality in general, does not make him/her a hateful person.  It could also be ignorance, what values that his/her parents taught, peer pressure, age, etc... These values and experiences are learned and still with that person into adulthood. 

Younger people also display less openess that will often times change as they grow older and become more mature and see things from a different perspecive. 

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Most of those who say they wouldn't buy the game or that its "ruined" are bs-ing anyways. They'd probably do the "ew" and wangst on the forums until they realize that no one cares and then return to playing the game.