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[Ryzaki]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Not to mention that well due to the large amounts of retconning already in ME nothing is safe due to what happened in the past. <_<

Sorry just my bitterness speaking.

Edit: Also with the whole race only wants to reproduce therefore they should not tolerate same sex relationships. They wouldn't tolerate relations with other species for the same exact reason yet that is a option.

Tis only an option.

Also: Kaidan had already bisexual dialogue as did Ashley. I doubt it would be a character 180 to do so otherwise the idea wouldn't have been implemented in the first place.

Just a hypothetical out of curiosity Ryzaki.  If Bioware provided 2 new characters in ME3 that were male and female and both bisexual LI's, would that be satisfactory to you?  Just curious.  

Yeah of course it would. But I'm a big HP debater so my eyebrow twitches when anyone goes "I know more about the character than you do nevermind the fact that I'm not the writer!" <_<

I'm a big "We don't know anything other than established canon." 

And no JK's blasted interviews do not count as canon. You wouldn't believe the massive debates on that subject I've had on HP boards.

The thing is (I'm getting slightly off topic) there is so much about ME that is inconsistent and unknown.  It is sometimes hard to talk about the characters genetics, reproduction, biology, etc.  I start speculating in other threads about the Asari for example, and I eventually end up right where I started because we don't have enough information. lol

I have no problems with speculations! That's one of my favorite things to do!

Its when people start yammering about how their speculations are canon and factual and that everyone else is wrong that I just go. <_<

And yes there's a lot of things to speculate in the ME Universe.

Like we wondering if TIM is a Reaper for one thing. :innocent:

[Iehoa0083]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Iehoa0083, you *do* realize that the quarians are not struggling with numbers? Did you talk to Tali much in the first game?
They can only have so many children because of resources being so strained. If their numbers diminish, they allow more breeding to happen.
So it is not like they are all "Oh gods! We need every single able person to have as many kids as possible!"

Well, I actually said that they are short in number...But anyway, it is a interesting idea. After reviewing some data from the ME Wiki, I think you are right. Although they have only about 17 million population, the quarians are trying to maintain a so call "zero population growth". Therefore, it is completely possible that they would accept same sex relationship in their society for it does not put additional pressure on their population.  

[Nordic Einar]

Iehoa0083 wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

Iehoa0083, you *do* realize that the quarians are not struggling with numbers? Did you talk to Tali much in the first game?
They can only have so many children because of resources being so strained. If their numbers diminish, they allow more breeding to happen.
So it is not like they are all "Oh gods! We need every single able person to have as many kids as possible!"

Well, I actually said that they are short in number...But anyway, it is a interesting idea. After reviewing some data from the ME Wiki, I think you are right. Although they have only about 17 million population, the quarians are trying to maintain a so call "zero population growth". Therefore, it is completely possible that they would accept same sex relationship in their society for it does not put additional pressure on their population.  

There's also the possibility that they'll accept same-sex relationships in their society because they're an enlighted or otherwise non-bigotted race. Just sayin.

[Iehoa0083]

Ryzaki wrote...

[Edit: Also with the whole race only wants to reproduce therefore they should not tolerate same sex relationships. They wouldn't tolerate relations with other species for the same exact reason yet that is a option.

Tis only an option.

That would be true if cross species can not produce a quarian baby...But than again, I was wrong on the subject (please see my other response).

P.S. Now come to think of it, Tali also have a few possibly bisexual like lines in ME2. 

[Ryzaki]

Iehoa0083 wrote...

That would be true if cross species can not produce a quarian baby...But than again, I was wrong on the subject (please see my other response).

P.S. Now come to think of it, Tali also have a few possibly bisexual like lines in ME2. 

Oh its fine. At least you admit you're wrong. *huggles*

Though. I wonder how a Quarian gives birth? The old fashion way or do they have other...appendages? 

Great now I have tentacle monsters going on in my head.

[Iehoa0083]

Nordic Einar wrote...

Iehoa0083 wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

Iehoa0083, you *do* realize that the quarians are not struggling with numbers? Did you talk to Tali much in the first game?
They can only have so many children because of resources being so strained. If their numbers diminish, they allow more breeding to happen.
So it is not like they are all "Oh gods! We need every single able person to have as many kids as possible!"

Well, I actually said that they are short in number...But anyway, it is a interesting idea. After reviewing some data from the ME Wiki, I think you are right. Although they have only about 17 million population, the quarians are trying to maintain a so call "zero population growth". Therefore, it is completely possible that they would accept same sex relationship in their society for it does not put additional pressure on their population.  

There's also the possibility that they'll accept same-sex relationships in their society because they're an enlighted or otherwise non-bigotted race. Just sayin.

Well, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, even when it is not very enlightening. For example, it is usually illegal for quarians to have more than two children. This policy is quite inhumane and repressive I think, but considering the condition of the fleet, it has to be done.  

[Kryyptehk]

About the quarian not allowing same sex relationships because of a need for people to have children, which was pretty much disproven, you don't need to be straight to have children. A lesbian couple and a gay couple could get together and couple up, so that each would have a child for each couple. Or even use artificial insemination to achieve the same result. The quarians are a close group, I could see homosexual couples coming to an agreement like this, since they would more than likely see their child enough to avoid bitterness or resentment.

[The_KFD_Case]

Iehoa0083 wrote...

Well, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, even when it is not very enlightening. For example, it is usually illegal for quarians to have more than two children. This policy is quite inhumane and repressive I think, but considering the condition of the fleet, it has to be done.  

Of course it's inhumane. The quarians aren't humans!  Joking aside, I grasp the gist of what you are conveying.

[The_KFD_Case]

Kryyptehk wrote...

About the quarian not allowing same sex relationships because of a need for people to have children, which was pretty much disproven, you don't need to be straight to have children. A lesbian couple and a gay couple could get together and couple up, so that each would have a child for each couple. Or even use artificial insemination to achieve the same result. The quarians are a close group, I could see homosexual couples coming to an agreement like this, since they would more than likely see their child enough to avoid bitterness or resentment.

Precisely. Which was the point I was raising when I highlighted the Ancient Greek homosexual society in an earlier post. Although they may not have paired a gay couple and a lesbian couple, but rather simply had gay men marry women (regardless of their sexual orientation) and sired children with them while seeking out their preferred sexual partners amongst other men once those reproductive duties had been attended to.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 27 avril 2010 - 05:11 .

[Iehoa0083]

Ryzaki wrote...

Iehoa0083 wrote...

That would be true if cross species can not produce a quarian baby...But than again, I was wrong on the subject (please see my other response).

P.S. Now come to think of it, Tali also have a few possibly bisexual like lines in ME2. 

Oh its fine. At least you admit you're wrong. *huggles*

Though. I wonder how a Quarian gives birth? The old fashion way or do they have other...appendages? 

Great now I have tentacle monsters going on in my head.

Well, I'm only a human, I'm wrong from time to time 
Tentacles....hmmmm....that's an enticing thought 

[Iehoa0083]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Iehoa0083 wrote...

Well, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, even when it is not very enlightening. For example, it is usually illegal for quarians to have more than two children. This policy is quite inhumane and repressive I think, but considering the condition of the fleet, it has to be done.  

Of course it's inhumane. The quarians aren't humans!  Joking aside, I grasp the gist of what you are conveying.

Hehe, that was a good one 

[SirGladiator]

I think its pretty reasonable to assume that if you're going to try to have a child with Tali, its not going to be possible as either MaleShep or FemShep without an invention from Mordin or some other scientist, so the whole issue seems moot to me. Its not any easier at all for MaleShep to have a child with Tali than it is for FemShep, as both are incapable of it unless/until some kind of scientific advancement is made. Once Mordin decides to invent something, its obviously just as easy to make it work for FemShep as MaleShep. So while of course its true that there's no need for Tali to only be with someone she can have children with, the fact is she can't have children any easier with MaleShep than FemShep, so its all the same either way. Of course I do support that, I hope that Mordin invents something in ME3 that allows Shepard, male or female, to have a child with Tali, that is as it should be.

[Ryzaki]

SirGladiator wrote...

I think its pretty reasonable to assume that if you're going to try to have a child with Tali, its not going to be possible as either MaleShep or FemShep without an invention from Mordin or some other scientist, so the whole issue seems moot to me. Its not any easier at all for MaleShep to have a child with Tali than it is for FemShep, as both are incapable of it unless/until some kind of scientific advancement is made. Once Mordin decides to invent something, its obviously just as easy to make it work for FemShep as MaleShep. So while of course its true that there's no need for Tali to only be with someone she can have children with, the fact is she can't have children any easier with MaleShep than FemShep, so its all the same either way. Of course I do support that, I hope that Mordin invents something in ME3 that allows Shepard, male or female, to have a child with Tali, that is as it should be.

Wait wat? 

[The_KFD_Case]

Ryzaki wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I think its pretty reasonable to assume that if you're going to try to have a child with Tali, its not going to be possible as either MaleShep or FemShep without an invention from Mordin or some other scientist, so the whole issue seems moot to me. Its not any easier at all for MaleShep to have a child with Tali than it is for FemShep, as both are incapable of it unless/until some kind of scientific advancement is made. Once Mordin decides to invent something, its obviously just as easy to make it work for FemShep as MaleShep. So while of course its true that there's no need for Tali to only be with someone she can have children with, the fact is she can't have children any easier with MaleShep than FemShep, so its all the same either way. Of course I do support that, I hope that Mordin invents something in ME3 that allows Shepard, male or female, to have a child with Tali, that is as it should be.

Wait wat? 

The Tali love is spilling over. I think SirGladiator was expounding upon the commentary pertaining to quarians possibly being just as opposed to inter-species relationships as non-heterosexual relationships since neither allows for reproduction.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 27 avril 2010 - 05:26 .

[Ryzaki]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I think its pretty reasonable to assume that if you're going to try to have a child with Tali, its not going to be possible as either MaleShep or FemShep without an invention from Mordin or some other scientist, so the whole issue seems moot to me. Its not any easier at all for MaleShep to have a child with Tali than it is for FemShep, as both are incapable of it unless/until some kind of scientific advancement is made. Once Mordin decides to invent something, its obviously just as easy to make it work for FemShep as MaleShep. So while of course its true that there's no need for Tali to only be with someone she can have children with, the fact is she can't have children any easier with MaleShep than FemShep, so its all the same either way. Of course I do support that, I hope that Mordin invents something in ME3 that allows Shepard, male or female, to have a child with Tali, that is as it should be.

Wait wat? 

The Tali love is spilling over. I think SirGladiator was expounding upon the commentary pertaining to quarians possibly being just as opposed to inter-species relationships as non-heterosexual relationships since neither allows for reproduction.

Oh. I just heard the whole pregancy thing and started thinking about HP Mpreg fics.

[Sevrun]

ok, I'm confused and I'm NOT reading through 240 pages of stuff to try and capture the overall idea, so I'm just gonna ask.



Is/Was the overall idea of this thread that every LI should swing both ways based on the PC's inclination? I'm withholding any further opinion or comment until I have an answer, and consultation with a lawyer about the potential ramifications of everyone I'd potentially make cry. (You can NEVER be too politically correct) () denotes sarcastic comment. Just sayin.

[Iehoa0083]

Sevrun wrote...

ok, I'm confused and I'm NOT reading through 240 pages of stuff to try and capture the overall idea, so I'm just gonna ask.

Is/Was the overall idea of this thread that every LI should swing both ways based on the PC's inclination? I'm withholding any further opinion or comment until I have an answer, and consultation with a lawyer about the potential ramifications of everyone I'd potentially make cry. (You can NEVER be too politically correct) () denotes sarcastic comment. Just sayin.

I think the OP sums it up pretty good on what this thread is about or what he and other people are asking for....

[Kryyptehk]

The idea of the thread was to, essentially, make the LIs bisexual depending on if the character wants to romance them. But by making it impossible for you to claim you didn't see it coming, with colored dialogue choices that start the romance or by directly choosing who your character has a "crush" on.

Btw, if you would have looked at the first post, you would have known that. And nobody is going to cry no matter what you say. Seriously<_<

[Sevrun]

I dunno, some people get really touchy about this sorta thing. and yeah, you're right. If I'd actually read the OP I'd have had a clearer idea. I'll have to ask your forgiveness on that one, since my insomnia is keeping me awake, but not really thinking straight.



P.S. I was tryin to be sarcastic earlier, guess I'm more zombified than I Thought

[Kryyptehk]

Nah, it's just that if someone comes in warning people that he thinks he will make people cry, I get defensive. People tend to think they are more important than they are.



But like we said, you should look at the first post to get a clearer idea of what this thread is about. I am in no way suggesting you should read 200+ pages before posting lol

[Sevrun]

lmao Of course I'm important darn it! I bought this game and... oh wait. so did everyone else huh? I dunno, as far as what the first one was gettin at, I could kinda see the point of having perhaps one of each that'd go for one of their own so to speak. But I look at things like that as an array of statistics and what they're lookin for simply isn't supported by the numbers. Not all humans are willing to swing both ways so why should every human love interest in a game? 'Because it's a game' is a rather weak argument and 'Because I'm paying for it' would be every bit as arrogant as I probably sounded at first. I lean toward option C. If they're that interested in a piece of tail then go get a real one, cause just watchin ain't gonna get it done...



If it does, they've got other serious issues and should consult a medical professional IMMEDIATELY!

[Kryyptehk]

The thing about that is that I could easily see Jack or Tali as being LIs for FemShep. Tali kind of seems like she has a crush on Shepard and Jack mentions how she slept with a chick before.



And come on, I could totally see a Shepard/Jacob. The broHug! lol.

[Sevrun]

ok, the Shep/Jacob thing... nah. that actually makes my stomach roll. Mordin being potentially curios in that regard... while scary in it's own right not so much. Who'd wanna try beddin a hamster on coffee?



Tali kinda stands in the middle by her very mysterious and girlish crush on Shep... and yeah, I'll admit I actually kinda expected Jack to swing that way. I haven't really explored the romance options much... galaxy to save and all that (wife constantly leaning over my shoulder unless I play at 1 am )