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[Ryzaki]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Sevrun wrote...

I dunno, as far as what the first one was gettin at, I could kinda see the point of having perhaps one of each that'd go for one of their own so to speak. But I look at things like that as an array of statistics and what they're lookin for simply isn't supported by the numbers. Not all humans are willing to swing both waysso why should every human love interest in a game? 'Because it's a game' is a rather weak argument and 'Because I'm paying for it' would be every bit as arrogant as I probably sounded at first. I lean toward option C. If they're that interested in a piece of tail then go get a real one, cause just watchin ain't gonna get it done...

If it does, they've got other serious issues and should consult a medical professional IMMEDIATELY!

'Realism' isn't an argument for exclusion, and honestly it seems like the only people who bring it up are those who already get to see the orientation(s) they're interested in (hetero, maybe two-chicks-if-they're-hot). No, not everyone's gay or bi - but you know how many people are some variant of amoral sexy (not quite shoeless) god of war? Perishingly few. How about warrior-monks with a rack that defies gravity? Even fewer. Soulful, ex-assassins with tragic past and future? I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. And this boatload of improbable, jaded, jerky dysfunctionals somehow doesn't murder one another in their sleep, and a quarter of them are willing to bang their commander. Yes, this scenario is totally likely to happen, and is very proportionately representative of real-world human characteristics.

<_<

Please, stop bringing up 'realism' to try and excuse why meaningful gay/bi options aren't there (outside of Liara for FemShep, and only in ME1), but all manner of other improbable characters or characterizations are. Particularly since no one who brings up this argument uses it against the existing hetero LIs. In a created universe with characters and events that defy the odds in every way, somehow sexual orientation is the quality that needs to be represented in-game with fidelity to IRL statistics? Your priviledge is showing.

Edited because I really should quote the post I was replying to. Yay sleepiness.

Also Temper there is too much truth in this post. <3

[Tirigon]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Anyone feel like cuddling with Grunt?

Sure.
However, Grunt is one of the few characters who should be female-only LI.
As much as I´m for homosexual romances I really can´t imagine a gay Krogan. I would imagine Krogan to be the kind of people to whom sex without chance of reproduction is insane and idiotic.

[Ryzaki]

Tirigon wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Anyone feel like cuddling with Grunt?

Sure.
However, Grunt is one of the few characters who should be female-only LI.
As much as I´m for homosexual romances I really can´t imagine a gay Krogan. I would imagine Krogan to be the kind of people to whom sex without chance of reproduction is insane and idiotic.

Truth a gay Krogan due to the whole genophage issue would be pretty much out there.

[Siansonea]

Krogan seem pretty uninterested in recreational sex in general. They don't even live in the same camps as their females (conveniently enough for the art people). I get the impression that they have an instinct to reproduce, but it is limited to actually producing offspring, not anything romantic. Much like salarians. Sure, we see a few krogan/asari pairings, but given what Mordin says about asari being 'strangely intriguing' even to a species like his, I think it has more to do with asari powers of seduction than krogan susceptibility to seduction.

[Tirigon]

Siansonea II wrote...

Krogan seem pretty uninterested in recreational sex in general. They don't even live in the same camps as their females (conveniently enough for the art people). I get the impression that they have an instinct to reproduce, but it is limited to actually producing offspring, not anything romantic. Much like salarians. Sure, we see a few krogan/asari pairings, but given what Mordin says about asari being 'strangely intriguing' even to a species like his, I think it has more to do with asari powers of seduction than krogan susceptibility to seduction.

That´s why Grunt has to be a female-only LI.

[SorenTrigg]

You do realize that having a krogan as a female love interest (or as a love interest for either sex) is silly if you go by your own logic?

If they only wish to have sex to reproduce, then why would they at all ever be interested in a human female? It is not like they would have any hope of reproducing.

If you continue to go by your logic, it makes some sense that they would be willing to mate with asari, since an asari can still reproduce, even if it does not come out a krogan.



I am just saying your logic is kind of silly. I actually *do* want a krogan LI myself...I adore Wrex.

[Siansonea]

Tirigon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Krogan seem pretty uninterested in recreational sex in general. They don't even live in the same camps as their females (conveniently enough for the art people). I get the impression that they have an instinct to reproduce, but it is limited to actually producing offspring, not anything romantic. Much like salarians. Sure, we see a few krogan/asari pairings, but given what Mordin says about asari being 'strangely intriguing' even to a species like his, I think it has more to do with asari powers of seduction than krogan susceptibility to seduction.

That´s why Grunt has to be a female-only LI.

I can't even see a krogan going for a female human though. Asari are a xenophilic species, humans and krogan theoretically are not.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 27 avril 2010 - 07:50 .

[Ryzaki]

SorenTrigg wrote...

You do realize that having a krogan as a female love interest (or as a love interest for either sex) is silly if you go by your own logic?
If they only wish to have sex to reproduce, then why would they at all ever be interested in a human female? It is not like they would have any hope of reproducing.
If you continue to go by your logic, it makes some sense that they would be willing to mate with asari, since an asari can still reproduce, even if it does not come out a krogan.

I am just saying your logic is kind of silly. I actually *do* want a krogan LI myself...I adore Wrex.

Ah true. Krogan should be Krogan only LI. And since Shep's not a Krogan...

Then again there was that proposal Shep got. So we know some Krogan are interested in him/her.

[Tirigon]

Ryzaki wrote...


Then again there was that proposal Shep got. So we know some Krogan are interested in him/her.

This.

I worry more that Grunt as LI might count as pedophilia, after all he´s only a week old when you recruit him.

Sucks.
Let´s get Wrex back then. He´s more badass anyways.

[SorenTrigg]

The proposal was less to do with Shepard being a human (the other camp may not even know she is a human), and more do to with 'Holy hell! Shepard killed a thresher maw on foot! I need some of those genetics.'

[Tirigon]

@ Soren and Johnny:



I guess you´re both right.



Just don´t destroy my hopes for a Krogan LI, I´m sure BioWare will take care of that themselves by not including one.

[Tirigon]

@ Johnny: they will be called TURIAN - we shall be shocked to discover the reason we never see Turian women is just that there are none.

[Tirigon]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Yes, but this all male Asari spinnoff could solve the m/m issue.

So could all male turians. And Garrus is nice.

[Siansonea]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I still think that it would be kinda neat to discover an all male bisexual Asari cousin genetic spinnoff in ME3 on some distant planet.

And don't give me any BS Siansonea II about it not making sense, because the Asari don't make sense anyway.

Aw, darn. I was so ready to give you a whole schpiel.

I think an all-male race could be done, but they would have to have some sort of symbiotic relationship with other species so that their offspring could be gestated. Basically they would have to work like an incubus, in that their sperm can fertilize the eggs of other species, and essentially 'hijack' the DNA of the mother species so that the child is a genetically randomized but otherwise species-specific child. Much like the asari themselves, though the situation is much less complicated with them since they are the mother species.

[LiquidGrape]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Let me say that first of all, I don't want to touch the topic as to whether the Asari are female or not.  I personally feel that they defy classification.

[Siansonea]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I still think that it would be kinda neat to discover an all male bisexual Asari cousin genetic spinnoff in ME3 on some distant planet.

And don't give me any BS Siansonea II about it not making sense, because the Asari don't make sense anyway.

Aw, darn. I was so ready to give you a whole schpiel.

I think an all-male race could be done, but they would have to have some sort of symbiotic relationship with other species so that their offspring could be gestated. Basically they would have to work like an incubus, in that their sperm can fertilize the eggs of other species, and essentially 'hijack' the DNA of the mother species so that the child is a genetically randomized but otherwise species-specific child. Much like the asari themselves, though the situation is much less complicated with them since they are the mother species.

Let me say that first of all, I don't want to touch the topic as to whether the Asari are female or not.  I personally feel that they defy classification.

Now with that out of the way, AFAIK we don't know that there exists an egg, or that it even gets fertilized with the Asari do we?

I get the impression from when the topic comes up that most species utilize a form of sexual reproduction (krogan testicles, etc.) or in the case of asari a form of parthenogenesis (which may or may not utilize 'eggs' as we know them). But cellular biology is cellular biology, and I think that there has to be some sort of nascent cell that grows into the adult specimen, and it is convenient to call such cells eggs, regarless of biological difference among different species.

I think a red-skinned "handsome devil" all male race would be nifty, and a nod to the incubus concept. If they could impregnate other species, their species would have no need for females. I posted about this before in this thread, I think. I envisioned them co-evolving on Thessia with the asari, but being extremely long-lived and having such a small total population, they would be virtually unknown outside of Thessia. I think it could be cool. Of course such an alien couldn't impregnate a male alien, so that kind of leaves out a procreative relationship with a human male. They could still have romantic relationships with them though.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 27 avril 2010 - 08:46 .

[The_KFD_Case]

LiquidGrape wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Let me say that first of all, I don't want to touch the topic as to whether the Asari are female or not.  I personally feel that they defy classification.

That is nothing short of "pure win" IMO.

[Tirigon]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Ever heard of plastic surgery?!

Oh, and it was failed surgery. Samara is probably the ugliest asari in the game.

Modifié par Tirigon, 27 avril 2010 - 09:04 .

[The_KFD_Case]

Siansonea II wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I still think that it would be kinda neat to discover an all male bisexual Asari cousin genetic spinnoff in ME3 on some distant planet.

And don't give me any BS Siansonea II about it not making sense, because the Asari don't make sense anyway.

Aw, darn. I was so ready to give you a whole schpiel.

I think an all-male race could be done, but they would have to have some sort of symbiotic relationship with other species so that their offspring could be gestated. Basically they would have to work like an incubus, in that their sperm can fertilize the eggs of other species, and essentially 'hijack' the DNA of the mother species so that the child is a genetically randomized but otherwise species-specific child. Much like the asari themselves, though the situation is much less complicated with them since they are the mother species.

Let me say that first of all, I don't want to touch the topic as to whether the Asari are female or not.  I personally feel that they defy classification.

Now with that out of the way, AFAIK we don't know that there exists an egg, or that it even gets fertilized with the Asari do we?

I get the impression from when the topic comes up that most species utilize a form of sexual reproduction (krogan testicles, etc.) or in the case of asari a form of parthenogenesis (which may or may not utilize 'eggs' as we know them). But cellular biology is cellular biology, and I think that there has to be some sort of nascent cell that grows into the adult specimen, and it is convenient to call such cells eggs, regarless of biological difference among different species.

I think a red-skinned "handsome devil" all male race would be nifty, and a nod to the incubus concept. If they could impregnate other species, their species would have no need for females. I posted about this before in this thread, I think. I envisioned them co-evolving on Thessia with the asari, but being extremely long-lived and having such a small total population, they would be virtually unknown outside of Thessia. I think it could be cool. Of course such an alien couldn't impregnate a male alien, so that kind of leaves out a procreative relationship with a human male. They could still have romantic relationships with them though.

Such a scenario raises at least one or two potentially major hurdles: 1) The shape, size, etc. of the child has to be such that they are able to be carried to term by the "alien" mother (ex. if the baby is the size of a baby elephant it would likely kill a human female before she is able to give birth, thus risking the life of the unborn infant). 2) The "alien" mother(s) would have to be able to be kept close at hand - either via peaceful means or more...pro-active methods. Even if the offspring had some sort of inate biological homing beacon similar to doves on Earth, given the vast distances involved in space how would a young child without proper knowledge, guidance and resources of an adult make it through the space travelling process? Sure, a few stow aways might make it but it seems a very precarious means by which to secure the survival of one's species. That then brings us back to either persuading the pregnant "alien" mothers to stick around near or on the "red skinned, handsome devil, all male race's" homeworld. Or having them kept forcibly confined to that homeworld against their will. It may not be impossible yet it does create far more problematic hurdles to overcome than is the case with the often perceived "female" Asari even if they seem to defy traditional human gender identification.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 27 avril 2010 - 09:19 .