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[Wittand25]

I am late for the incubus discussion, but you know that is actully not needed to go that far. A hermephrodisic species that is just male gendered would be completly sufficent. Breeding with Shepard is not an issue because half of the LI in ME2 cannot breed with him/her already.

[Tirigon]

Stop the discussion about how an all male species can scientifically exist.

It´s a game. It doesn´t need to be logical - FTL travel and Mass Effect is mere fantasy anyways.



I just want same sex romances and lots of hot asari, and a mod to play an asari Shepard.



If I would want to know about reproduction I would read my notices of biology education again.

[Tirigon]

Oh and I want a romanceable Krogan and Legion as LI.

[Wittand25]

It is definatly intresting, and such a race would be great in a book or some other medium that offers enough time and space to set them up properly, but we must not forget that the ME games are rather fast paced computer games so they dont offer much time and space for such complicated stories.
The simpler a solution for the inclusion of m/m (either in an discount way like f/f is with the asari or by simply making a truely bi(******)sexual companion of a species with two sexes) the better the chance that the solution is implented in the games.

[tyddrwsau]

My hubby keeps suggesting that I should read Octavia Butler's Lilith's Brood and Ursula LeGuin's Left Hand of Darkness as science fiction that provide exceptional treatment of alien gender and related social constructs. That seems on-point for the current discussion of possible Male-iens for Mass Effect.



I've got to say that I appreciate good scifi for its potential for creating such varied biologies. Still, why should the Mass Effect writing team go to crazy lengths to create a gratuitous new type of alien for the sake of providing same-sex romance options? If the only same-sex relationships available are with sentient space hermaphrodites or aliens I'd be disappointed. "Oh, you can have same-sex relationships, just not with your own kind," isn't a great message. I guess it's marginally better than "you don't exist!" or "it's not gay if it's with an Asari!"



Implementing the writing on characters already floated as bi in the development process, and polishing that up, or creating a new character would be less work and better meta.

[Sevrun]

look folks, what you're up against isn't Bioware not wanting it, the game universe not supporting it, or even my cynical nature. (joking on the last part ) It's simple economics, if you want ME3 to be more about Shep being Captain James (Jane) T. Kirk of the U.S.S. Enterprise then you're going to have to offer enough of an economic incentive that Bioware will make more money than it thinks it may lose. I don't doubt for a second that they've crunched the numbers and come up with the reality that there are people who would NOT buy the game if this were in it. That being said, you need to find a way to substantially shift the profit margin in your favor, and I have to say you're already on the losing end as I'm guess most if not all bought ME1 or ME2 or both... so they know you'll buy ME3 even if they don't.



All this dance about how the story could/couldn't support it doesn't matter. You make enough impact on the bottom line, positive or negative and Bioware will tie itself in knots to give you what you want, just like they did with DA:O.



I don't particularly care one way or the other, I largely ignore romance in my RPGs simply because I have to deal with enough of that already in real life. It's called being married to a hopeless romantic (BLECH) I just don't want it pushed into the primary story where I _HAVE_ to deal with some character being gay. Commander Shepard has more important issues than what ya'll do in the damn bedroom

[The_KFD_Case]

tyddrwsau wrote...

My hubby keeps suggesting that I should read Octavia Butler's Lilith's Brood and Ursula LeGuin's Left Hand of Darkness as science fiction that provide exceptional treatment of alien gender and related social constructs. That seems on-point for the current discussion of possible Male-iens for Mass Effect.

I've got to say that I appreciate good scifi for its potential for creating such varied biologies. Still, why should the Mass Effect writing team go to crazy lengths to create a gratuitous new type of alien for the sake of providing same-sex romance options? If the only same-sex relationships available are with sentient space hermaphrodites or aliens I'd be disappointed. "Oh, you can have same-sex relationships, just not with your own kind," isn't a great message. I guess it's marginally better than "you don't exist!" or "it's not gay if it's with an Asari!"

Implementing the writing on characters already floated as bi in the development process, and polishing that up, or creating a new character would be less work and better meta.

I agree with what you have written except for one assumption raised therein: Just because bi-and-homosexual LIs are not overtly available in ME2 (if one chooses to ignore Kelly Chambers IIRC), that in and of itself does not necessarily constitute a case of BioWare pretending that bi-sexuals and/or homosexuals do not exist. While that is one possible explanation it is only one; there is at least one other possible explanation - and possibly more - which could be that BioWare genuinely did not envision ME2's cast as being of that/those sexual orientation(s).

It is my understanding that there are individuals whom feel put out by this course of action yet for those people to claim that because BioWare did not include openly bi-sexual/homosexual characters it must unequivocally mean that they are acting in a bigoted manner strikes me as being highly arrogant. They are presuming to know the inner thought processes and company decisions of BioWare staff. Unless some of these people have the ear of relevant BioWare staff, and said BioWare staff spoke to them in confidence confirming those charges, it isn't proven. Now before someone accuses me of being guilty of the very same thing, let me point out that I am not stating unequivocally that the alternative scenario I have presented above is the fact of the matter. I freely acknowledge that I do not empirically know why certain decisions were made (or not made), and thus I remain open to various possibilities such as the two options described above.

As stated in a previous post I comprehend the logic of allowing various characters to be romance-able by either gender of Shepard in regards to catering to various player tastes and persuasions, yet I continue to remain of the opinion that the final call ought to be made by the creator(s) of the character(s) in question. Not public mobs and parliaments of the street. Nor soulless corporate hacks either for that matter.

[Siansonea]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

tyddrwsau wrote...

My hubby keeps suggesting that I should read Octavia Butler's Lilith's Brood and Ursula LeGuin's Left Hand of Darkness as science fiction that provide exceptional treatment of alien gender and related social constructs. That seems on-point for the current discussion of possible Male-iens for Mass Effect.

I've got to say that I appreciate good scifi for its potential for creating such varied biologies. Still, why should the Mass Effect writing team go to crazy lengths to create a gratuitous new type of alien for the sake of providing same-sex romance options? If the only same-sex relationships available are with sentient space hermaphrodites or aliens I'd be disappointed. "Oh, you can have same-sex relationships, just not with your own kind," isn't a great message. I guess it's marginally better than "you don't exist!" or "it's not gay if it's with an Asari!"

Implementing the writing on characters already floated as bi in the development process, and polishing that up, or creating a new character would be less work and better meta.

I agree with what you have written except for one assumption raised therein: Just because bi-and-homosexual LIs are not overtly available in ME2 (if one chooses to ignore Kelly Chambers IIRC), that in and of itself does not necessarily constitute a case of BioWare pretending that bi-sexuals and/or homosexuals do not exist. While that is one possible explanation it is only one; there is at least one other possible explanation - and possibly more - which could be that BioWare genuinely did not envision ME2's cast as being of that/those sexual orientation(s).

It is my understanding that there are individuals whom feel put out by this course of action yet for those people to claim that because BioWare did not include openly bi-sexual/homosexual characters it must unequivocally mean that they are acting in a bigoted manner strikes me as being highly arrogant. They are presuming to know the inner thought processes and company decisions of BioWare staff. Unless some of these people have the ear of relevant BioWare staff, and said BioWare staff spoke to them in confidence confirming those charges, it isn't proven. Now before someone accuses me of being guilty of the very same thing, let me point out that I am not stating unequivocally that the alternative scenario I have presented above is the fact of the matter. I freely acknowledge that I do not empirically know why certain decisions were made (or not made), and thus I remain open to various possibilities such as the two options described above.

As stated in a previous post I comprehend the logic of allowing various characters to be romance-able by either gender of Shepard in regards to catering to various player tastes and persuasions, yet I continue to remain of the opinion that the final call ought to be made by the creator(s) of the character(s) in question. Not public mobs and parliaments of the street. Nor soulless corporate hacks either for that matter.

Ultimately, the reason BioWare didn't include same sex romance options in their game isn't that important. What is important is that they know that such content is desired by a significant number of their customers, and hopefully reverse their position on the matter. Certainly it is possible that BioWare didn't envision their characters this way, but I'm sure they also didn't originally envision Garrus and Tali as romance options. Enough people asked for it that they included it in ME2. Hopefully, they will see the initiative to include same-sex options as significant enough to make them reconsider and include the content in ME3 or downloadable content.

[Taiko Roshi]

WOW, this dead horse is still getting a flogging.

What is important is that they know that such content is desired by a significant number of their customers

Right. .0000001% of the player base is a "significant part of the player base". Just because a very small minority loves to spam posts in a thread on a redundant subject does not a "significant number of customers" make.

[Ryzaki]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

WOW, this dead horse is still getting a flogging.

FYI if you think a topic is beating a dead horse its not usually the brightiest idea to bump the thread to say so. Just sayin'

What is important is that they know that such content is desired by a significant number of their customers

Right. .0000001% of the player base is a "significant part of the player base". Just because a very small minority loves to spam posts in a thread on a redundant subject does not a "significant number of customers" make.

True we may not be that big of a number. But its a far greater number than that ridculously small estimate. Maybe if you said something around 1 - 5% (at least) you'd have been accurate. Honestly though you don't like the topic why don't you ignore it? I never understood going into a thread (the only thread on the subject nonetheless) and pretty much going "stop posting guys!" 

And btw even if we were only that number there would only be a whopping 6 people in the FFTL group. Seeing as that's not true.  

*Note: This is counting the amount of ME2 copies shipped (I.E. 6 million). So yeah.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 avril 2010 - 02:34 .

[The Uncanny]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

WOW, this dead horse is still getting a flogging.

*Sigh*

Do I really have to dig out the Woo quote again?

Okay, here we go...

Just to reiterate what Stanley Woo posted back on page 142 of this very thread:

No, nothing said on the forums will force BioWare to do anything. It does, however, give us an idea of what some of our players would like to see in a future product. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing people's wishlists for future products.

I believe that supporters are also asking for additions to the romance options available, and not replacements. As in, "in addition to the romance we've already seen in Mass Effect, we'd like to have the option of same sex romances for our Shepard." If this is the case, it's a valid request, so let's please keep this thread as civil and mature as we can. Thank you all for your participation over the last 142 pages. I'll let it keep going as long as there's something to discuss and as long as people can stay mature about it.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 30 avril 2010 - 02:40 .

[Siansonea]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

WOW, this dead horse is still getting a flogging.

What is important is that they know that such content is desired by a significant number of their customers

Right. .0000001% of the player base is a "significant part of the player base". Just because a very small minority loves to spam posts in a thread on a redundant subject does not a "significant number of customers" make.

Never underestimate the power of relentless posting. I'm sure thanks to the Talimancer movement, Tali will be featured even more prominently in ME3. Never mind that the Talimancer minority's emphatic lust turns many of the rest of us off a great deal. Since I will have to endure yet more yammering by Everybody's Favorite Quarian Minx in ME3, it would be nice if BioWare gave the rest of us something else to focus on in our playthroughs.

My first thought when I played ME2 the first time was "Gee, I wish I had seen as much of Liara and Kaidan as I did Tali". Seriously, every time Shepard turns around, there she is. <_<

[AlanC9]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

WOW, this dead horse is still getting a flogging.

What is important is that they know that such content is desired by a significant number of their customers

Right. .0000001% of the player base is a "significant part of the player base". Just because a very small minority loves to spam posts in a thread on a redundant subject does not a "significant number of customers" make.

This from a guy who's still pushing a class-action suit against Bio/EA because of Dragon Age bugs? Dude, some folks have the right to talk about dead horses... but you don't.

Edit: but I'm kind of glad you're on the wrong side of this issue too.

Modifié par AlanC9, 30 avril 2010 - 03:22 .

[Taiko Roshi]

AlanC9 wrote...


This from a guy who's still pushing a class-action suit against Bio/EA because of Dragon Age bugs? Dude, some folks have the right to talk about dead horses... but you don't.

Edit: but I'm kind of glad you're on the wrong side of this issue too.

Opinions are opinions. I'm on the right side of this issue. That is the problem with flogging a dead horse, after awhile you grow oblivious to the fact that its dead Jim. But then again, there is no reasoning with closed minded progressives is there, this thread proves that point. Enjoy your latte.

Modifié par Taiko Roshi, 30 avril 2010 - 04:24 .

[Brako Shepard]

Wiat...



Someone is sueing EA/BioWare because of bugs in a game?

[Ziggy]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...


This from a guy who's still pushing a class-action suit against Bio/EA because of Dragon Age bugs? Dude, some folks have the right to talk about dead horses... but you don't.

Edit: but I'm kind of glad you're on the wrong side of this issue too.

Opinions are opinions. I'm on the right side of this issue. That is the problem with flogging a dead horse, after awhile you grow oblivious to the fact that its dead Jim. But then again, there is no reasoning with closed minded progressives is there, this thread proves that point. Enjoy your latte.

Your post is full of contradictions. I do enjoy a good latte though.

[Taiko Roshi]

Brako Shepard wrote...

Wiat...

Someone is sueing EA/BioWare because of bugs in a game?

No. Its for not fixing the bugs in the game. Bravo, nice way to try and deflect the issue at hand.

[AlanC9]

Taiko Roshi wrote...
Enjoy your latte.

I'm guessing that was an attempted insult. Where would someone have to be from for that to actually work?

As for the rest ... look, there's nothing wrong with having an unenlightened opinion. Without folks like you there's no debate, after all. But since you're trying to recruit folks to the mother of all lost causes, calling this thread a dead horse reveals a deep disconnect from reality.

Or are you only partial to your own hopeless causes?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Brako Shepard wrote...

Wiat...

Someone is sueing EA/BioWare because of bugs in a game?

No. Its for not fixing the bugs in the game. Bravo, nice way to try and deflect the issue at hand.

Bioware has never done a good job with this.  Plus its all code on a disc unless there is copyright infringement, you have no standing on suing them for not fixing what is already completed.  They are under no obligation.

As long as it doesn't damage your computer anyway.

[Tirigon]

Taiko Roshi wrote...
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*Spam removed*

I rather don´t do anything good for a race that spawned people like you.

Modifié par Tirigon, 30 avril 2010 - 02:53 .

[Hattie]

Tirigon, it's not worth it. Ignore the troll and he will get bored and go away.

[Tirigon]

Hattie wrote...

Tirigon, it's not worth it. Ignore the troll and he will get bored and go away.

It´s just too hard. I don´t know why but I have a hard time accepting that humanity can be so f*cked up.......

Well report him if you didn´t do it already. Maybe that helps.

[Hattie]

Tirigon wrote...

Hattie wrote...

Tirigon, it's not worth it. Ignore the troll and he will get bored and go away.

It´s just too hard. I don´t know why but I have a hard time accepting that humanity can be so f*cked up.......

Well report him if you didn´t do it already. Maybe that helps.

Done. I completely understand, but he's just trying to provoke you and derail the thread. Don't give him what he wants.