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#6151
ElitePinecone

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The toggle was sadly missed :( And I do wonder how my squadmates stop bullets with their leather jackets/skin...



I think a lot of people wouldn't mind if Bioware came out and said frankly that they withheld s/s for financial reasons or because of the negative publicity that it would bring. But then a lot more people would probably find that standpoint appalling, which is why they have other public statements which often don't make a whole lot of sense (or indeed contradict each other).



It's a kind of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Whichever choice they end up making would probably offend somebody, so they've mostly kept silent and relied on some rather odd reasons.

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ElitePinecone wrote...

The toggle was sadly missed :( And I do wonder how my squadmates stop bullets with their leather jackets/skin...

I think a lot of people wouldn't mind if Bioware came out and said frankly that they withheld s/s for financial reasons or because of the negative publicity that it would bring. But then a lot more people would probably find that standpoint appalling, which is why they have other public statements which often don't make a whole lot of sense (or indeed contradict each other).

It's a kind of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Whichever choice they end up making would probably offend somebody, so they've mostly kept silent and relied on some rather odd reasons.


I personally would appreciate them just saying the real reason, instead replying to questions as to why it was left out with things like "Shepard is a pre-defined character", to me that's insulting

#6153
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I just thought of a way that same-sex content could be implemented that would allay the fears of the tween homophobe types. Perhaps in the character creation screens, along with choosing your combat specialization, background, bonus talents, etc., there could be a screen for Relationship Preference. There could be four options, Likes Men, Likes Women, Likes Both, and Solitary. That way, the game would never give Shepard dialogue options to pursue undesired relationships, though of course the NPCs behavior wouldn't change in this scenario. If the character was an existing Shepard from ME2, then based on the character's romantic past, some options would be unavailable. For instance, a Female Shepard that pursued Jacob would not have the 'Solitary' and 'Likes Women' options, but would still be able to choose 'Likes Men' and 'Likes Both' for ME3. What does everyone else think of this idea?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 01 mai 2010 - 05:44 .


#6154
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ElitePinecone wrote...

(And I do wonder how my squadmates stop bullets with their leather jackets/skin...



You don´t need armor; except for Grunt (who DOES wear armor) all have kinetic or biotic barriers.

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Siansonea II wrote...
I just thought of a way that same-sex content could be implemented that would allay the fears of the tween homophobe types. Perhaps in the character creation screens, along with choosing your combat specialization, background, bonus talents, etc., there could be a screen for Relationship Preference. There could be four options, Likes Men, Likes Women, Likes Both, and Solitary. That way, the game would never give Shepard dialogue options to pursue undesired relationships, though of course the NPCs behavior wouldn't change in this scenario. If the character was an existing Shepard from ME2, then based on the character's romantic past, some options would be unavailable. For instance, a Female Shepard that pursued Jacob would not have the 'Solitary' and 'Likes Women' options, but would still be able to choose 'Likes Men' and 'Likes Both' for ME3. What does everyone else think of this idea?

I actually suggested this myself in the past.  Have settings for Shep's sexual orientation.  I actually would prefer that myslef instead of color coded dialog wheel options. 

The word "homophobia" was coined about 30-40 years ago.  It is basically defined as someone that has a fear of homosexuals.
There are people that are against homosexuality other than fear.
There are people that find homosexual behaviour disgusting.
There are people that find homosexual behaviour against their religious beliefs.

So this idea would help cover concerns from a broad spectrum I would think.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 01 mai 2010 - 06:30 .


#6156
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Yep that would be preferable. Have a toggle that states whether or not your character is into Male/Female/Both/Solitary as Siansonea stated. This would also clear up some of the innuendo that is unnecessary from dialogue with some of the potential romance characters.






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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
I just thought of a way that same-sex content could be implemented that would allay the fears of the tween homophobe types. Perhaps in the character creation screens, along with choosing your combat specialization, background, bonus talents, etc., there could be a screen for Relationship Preference. There could be four options, Likes Men, Likes Women, Likes Both, and Solitary. That way, the game would never give Shepard dialogue options to pursue undesired relationships, though of course the NPCs behavior wouldn't change in this scenario. If the character was an existing Shepard from ME2, then based on the character's romantic past, some options would be unavailable. For instance, a Female Shepard that pursued Jacob would not have the 'Solitary' and 'Likes Women' options, but would still be able to choose 'Likes Men' and 'Likes Both' for ME3. What does everyone else think of this idea?

I actually suggested this myself in the past.  Have settings for Shep's sexual orientation.  I actually would prefer that myslef instead of color coded dialog wheel options.



If you make a petition for that tell me, I´ll sign.

#6158
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We have brought up the 'choosing orientation at the beginning' thing many times before.

Personally, I am very much against it. There should be no reason to have to choose that. Like has been said before, romances ARE avoidable. You are not forced into them, so why do you need to choose which ones are going to be open?

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Why not?

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You get to choose other aspects in the creation of Shepard. Male/Female, ruthless, spacer, sole survivor. Why not sexual orientation? You also have members here that would like LI's from both genders to proposition Shepard. This may facilitate that also. Why not choose in the beginning, instead of having a color coded dialog wheel?

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#6161
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Because, it basically amounts to being able to 'turn off gay content' which just seems insulting. They should just do what they have always done and just put it in. Like with Liara and Kelly, or the other games. Just put the content in, and people can just deal.



Why exactly do you want a way to turn it off, anyhow?

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SorenTrigg wrote...

Because, it basically amounts to being able to 'turn off gay content' which just seems insulting. They should just do what they have always done and just put it in. Like with Liara and Kelly, or the other games. Just put the content in, and people can just deal.

Why exactly do you want a way to turn it off, anyhow?




To silence everyone who says including gay content will mean a loss of sales.

I don´t see how it would be insulting, either. First, it´s not so much "turn it off" but more a way to further customize your Shepard.

Second, you could turn off hetero content too, so it would be even.B)

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Insulting how?

I turn off gay content, and other content that I don't have any interest in, all of the time. Why not turn off gay content here.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 01 mai 2010 - 08:52 .


#6164
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I hate to bring up this kind of argument...

But most of the renegade stuff makes me pretty uncomfortable and I have no interest in it. So, why should it even be able to come up then?

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You need to elaborate, because I am not following you.

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What does sexual orientation of the character have to do with renegade choices?

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...I am saying that if you think you should be able to toggle romances because you have no interest in a specific kind, why not do that with everything?

There is little point in it. Just deal with what is in the game.

#6168
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Think of it as changing your characters dialogue options. Bioware is unfortunately ambiguous in this regard and in Mass Effect you don't really know what your character will say.

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You choose the background and gender of your character. You can choose sexual orientation also. You are treated differently in some circumstances according to those choices. I see it as giving the player that much more flexibility with character creation, and possibly more replay value.

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Think of the advantages of the different scenarios that it could create also.

#6171
SorenTrigg

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It is different, though. Since you can pick an option that makes you treated the same in either case.

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Well, I could just imagine all of the different characters that I could create with this.



You don't see this as gaining broader support?



Kind of like violence settings. I want a little more violence, not a blood bath, but a little more. Some people don't want that, so have settings. default/high/excessive. Makes everyone happy.

#6173
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True and then those that get irritated with all romances in general never have to deal with them. Tis a win/win situation for everyone.

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SorenTrigg

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Or the people that get irritated by romances can just not do them instead of turning things off.

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SorenTrigg wrote...

Or the people that get irritated by romances can just not do them instead of turning things off.


True. Doesn't help that the dialogue can be vague at times though.