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[SorenTrigg]

Well, yes, but asking them to give us the option to turn off content instead of them making dialogue clearer is kind of silly.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'd prefer alternate dialogue, sort of how it is based on Gender

EDIT:  more options, options, options galore

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 01 mai 2010 - 09:41 .

[SorenTrigg]

We can have options without having to lose other options. Hence why the content can just be there without needing a toggle.

[AlanC9]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

You choose the background and gender of your character. You can choose sexual orientation also. You are treated differently in some circumstances according to those choices. I see it as giving the player that much more flexibility with character creation, and possibly more replay value.

Are you seriously suggesting that people should treat a gay or bi Shepard differently from a straight one, even if the player has picked identical dialog options to that point? Seriously?

You have to set background stuff  like spacer before playing because that stuff, um, happened before the game starts.  There's no way around that. But why handle more stuff that way than you absolutely have to?

Modifié par AlanC9, 01 mai 2010 - 10:20 .

[SorenTrigg]

Could you give an example of what kind of stuff you would see being different?

[Hattie]

Your shep wouldn't flirt with characters you don't want her/him to for starters (Jacob)
Though they shouldn't do that anyway.

The only differences should be with your own sheps romance stuff. I think it's a decent idea - makes up for not being able to use body language and stuff to show you're not interested and avoid the awkward rejection. I don't think they'd do it though.

Modifié par Hattie, 02 mai 2010 - 01:34 .

[SorenTrigg]

Hattie, the thing with Jacob is only the tone of Hale's voice when she is talking to him.
If you want that changed based on options we select, that would mean multiple versions of specific lines would need to be recorded.

Modifié par SorenTrigg, 02 mai 2010 - 01:53 .

[Hattie]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Hattie, the thing with Jacob is only the tone of Hale's voice when she is talking to him.
If you want that changed based on options we select, that would mean multiple versions of specific lines would need to be recorded.

You're right. It was like they decided for you that femshep liked him and that's that. They shouldn't do that period and it has nothing to do with the suggestion  sorry.

edit: although if they did let you choose your sexual orientation they'd be forced to make normal dialogue non flirty for the reasons you stated so bonus.

Modifié par Hattie, 02 mai 2010 - 02:08 .

[SorenTrigg]

Ooorrr...they could just make dialogue neutral unless you choose the stuff that IS romance dialogue.

Like I said before, turning off content is silly to ask for when we should instead be asking for clearer dialogue.

[ElitePinecone]

I think the idea of choosing Shep's orientation at the start, while strange for some people, would probably be the best solution to implement s/s in the game,



Soren has raised the point that many people don't like renegade options and they don't want them to be in the game. I would argue that most people would buy an RPG game expecting there to be some unpalatable options available, and would be fairly OK with those options being in there (murder, torture, etc) - in exactly the same way that there are also good/paragon/lightside options. But a lot of people, unfortunately, don't treat sexuality with the same open mindedness. Including s/s romances without a 'toggle' would turn a lot of people off the game and probably ignite a media frenzy that Bioware just doesn't want to deal with.



In a perfect world, of course, I would argue that all dialogue should be available and players should be able to decide in-game who they romance (without using an option at the start). But this isn't a perfect world, and an options screen is a way to guarantee that people who wish to see s/s can see it, and those who don't (and who would kick up a storm otherwise) remain happy enough to actually buy the game.



When we're dealing with financial realities (such as who would and wouldn't buy the game), a solution such as this is the better option. We get the best of both worlds (and more customisation, to boot) without impacting on the game's appeal to a broader audience, which is surely of great importance to EA/Bioware.

[Hattie]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Ooorrr...they could just make dialogue neutral unless you choose the stuff that IS romance dialogue.
Like I said before, turning off content is silly to ask for when we should instead be asking for clearer dialogue.

With that option however, they could be less cautious and have other characters of the same gender hitting on you and stuff like with straight romances now instead of being stifled by you having to say carefully constructed unambiguous sentences. It'd make it more free.
I think bioware shouldn't care about people who are so homophobic they get offended by the in game option but apparently they do and maybe this is a way around that.

Modifié par Hattie, 02 mai 2010 - 02:35 .

[SorenTrigg]

But it is not more options. It is *limiting* options.

More options would just be putting in all of the content.

[darth_lopez]

more options for the win

[SorenTrigg]

How is it increasing the options if it is just giving you the option of turning things off?

Sure, there are more variations, but...so? The options are already limited if all of the content is in there without toggles.

Example.

I go and romance Garrus. I cannot romance the other characters.

I play a second time and romance Jack. I cannot romance the other characters.



Replayability!

[SorenTrigg]

You just seem to be misunderstanding my examples.

I am saying that what you have been touting as more options makes little sense given how the game works already.

You are saying that having to choose your orientation at the beginning gives you more options and the chance to replay the game and see things differently.

But you already have to do that in the romance department. You can only romance one character at a time (no matter orientation).

So what would be the point?

Aside from alternate dialogues depending on your orientation, which I am fairly against...because, why? I mean, I do not get treated differently for being an infiltrator.

[Siansonea]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
I just thought of a way that same-sex content could be implemented that would allay the fears of the tween homophobe types. Perhaps in the character creation screens, along with choosing your combat specialization, background, bonus talents, etc., there could be a screen for Relationship Preference. There could be four options, Likes Men, Likes Women, Likes Both, and Solitary. That way, the game would never give Shepard dialogue options to pursue undesired relationships, though of course the NPCs behavior wouldn't change in this scenario. If the character was an existing Shepard from ME2, then based on the character's romantic past, some options would be unavailable. For instance, a Female Shepard that pursued Jacob would not have the 'Solitary' and 'Likes Women' options, but would still be able to choose 'Likes Men' and 'Likes Both' for ME3. What does everyone else think of this idea?

I actually suggested this myself in the past.  Have settings for Shep's sexual orientation.  I actually would prefer that myslef instead of color coded dialog wheel options. 

The word "homophobia" was coined about 30-40 years ago.  It is basically defined as someone that has a fear of homosexuals.
There are people that are against homosexuality other than fear.
There are people that find homosexual behaviour disgusting.
There are people that find homosexual behaviour against their religious beliefs.

So this idea would help cover concerns from a broad spectrum I would think.

Well, until they come up with an umbrella term that means "opposes homosexuality", I'm going to stick with homophobia as a catchall term, even if some of the individuals don't actually 'fear' homosexuality. Is there a better word?

[Ziggy]

SorenTrigg wrote...
How is it increasing the options if it is just giving you the option of turning things off?

because of this, sad but true i think

Hattie wrote...
With that option however, they could be less cautious and have other characters of the same gender hitting on you and stuff like with straight romances now instead of being stifled by you having to say carefully constructed unambiguous sentences. It'd make it more free.
I think bioware shouldn't care about people who are so homophobic they get offended by the in game option but apparently they do and maybe this is a way around that.

Modifié par Em23, 02 mai 2010 - 03:34 .

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Because, it basically amounts to being able to 'turn off gay content' which just seems insulting. They should just do what they have always done and just put it in. Like with Liara and Kelly, or the other games. Just put the content in, and people can just deal.

Why exactly do you want a way to turn it off, anyhow?

I am trying to find a sort of compromise, so that the people who are adamantly against the content can relax and enjoy the game without fear of stepping on a gay land mine somewhere in the game. I agree it's a bit silly, but some people are not very rational about this subject.

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Could you give an example of what kind of stuff you would see being different?

I can think of one instance where having a sexual orientation flag would change the dialogue from an NPC. When Aria tells you to "find a nice man/woman and relax", she could suggest an appropriate gender for your selected orientation.

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

But it is not more options. It is *limiting* options.
More options would just be putting in all of the content.

It's just giving the player the option to limit the content. Obviously if they select the bisexual option, none of Shepard's dialogue choices are locked out. If a player just doesn't want to be bothered by romance considerations but still wants to pursue in-depth conversations with the crew, they can select the Solitary option. I don't think giving the player the ability to customize their Shepard's dialogue limitations is any way offensive, though in a perfect world it wouldn't be necessary.