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[SorenTrigg]

But...gay content is already in the game with Liara and Kelly. We do not need to suddenly have a toggle to turn off things.

[John23593]

:happy: I THINK THATS WELL GOOD IDEAR

Em23 wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...
How is it increasing the options if it is just giving you the option of turning things off?

because of this, sad but true i think

Hattie wrote...
With that option however, they could be less cautious and have other characters of the same gender hitting on you and stuff like with straight romances now instead of being stifled by you having to say carefully constructed unambiguous sentences. It'd make it more free.
I think bioware shouldn't care about people who are so homophobic they get offended by the in game option but apparently they do and maybe this is a way around that.

[John23593]

I THINK WHEN MAKE UR PERSON U CAN CHANGE HIS HIGHT SO HOW TALL THEY R AND THERE AGE SO U HAVE A 20 YEAR OLD TO A 90 YEAR OLD

AND **** LIKE THAT AND THEY GO ON DATES AND **** AND I LIKE THE IDEAR OF MAKING UR PERSON LIKES MAN OR WOMAN OR BOTH WELL GOOD IDEAR

[Sago_mulch]

MAKE ME3 A DATING SIM.
MAKE THE GAME MORE CONTROVERSAL BY HAVING HOMOSEXUALS TOO, HAVE TALK SHOWS TALK ABOUT FILTHY VIDEO GAMES RUINING SOCIETY. REAP THE MONEY LIKE THE REAPERS REAP ORGANICS HERP DERP.
ALSO, WATCH THIS STUNNING DEBATE ON VIDEO GAMES;

[John23593]

SO MAKING THEM GAY OR NOT

[Sago_mulch]

I DON'T KNOW, SEEING BIOWARE WRITE THEIR OWN STORIES.

WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT.

[Nomen Mendax]

Tirigon wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

Because, it basically amounts to being able to 'turn off gay content' which just seems insulting. They should just do what they have always done and just put it in. Like with Liara and Kelly, or the other games. Just put the content in, and people can just deal.

Why exactly do you want a way to turn it off, anyhow?

To silence everyone who says including gay content will mean a loss of sales. [NM's italics]

I don´t see how it would be insulting, either. First, it´s not so much "turn it off" but more a way to further customize your Shepard.

Second, you could turn off hetero content too, so it would be even.

But why would having a toggle silence people who say including gay content will mean a loss of sales?  I think there are two people groups of people who don't want ss (well mm really) content in the game.  The first group is those who think it is icky, and you'd think that most of those people could be convinced that the ss choices would be made pretty obvious and easy to avoid. 

Then there are the people who think homosexuality is immoral.  You can't mollify them with toggles or colours or any of that stuff, because they won't buy the game because it would be promoting, or at least condoning homosexuality.  And given their worldview (ignoring the underlying lunatic bigotry) they are right not to buy it.  For example I wouldn't buy the game if Shepard could choose to rape someone (and I'm frankly uncomfortable with being able to recruit Morinth).  So I don't think any idea you come up with is going to mean anything to that sort of people, which I think means either convincing BW that they won't lose money from it, or that they should take a chance because it's the right thing to do.

As an aside, while we don't really know BW's motivation for not including ss romances I think most people (certainly me) assume that it has somehing to do with worrying about loss of business.  My feeling is that it is more to do with the ME franchise in general than the games in particular

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

Could you give an example of what kind of stuff you would see being different?

I can think of one instance where having a sexual orientation flag would change the dialogue from an NPC. When Aria tells you to "find a nice man/woman and relax", she could suggest an appropriate gender for your selected orientation.

Or if you're solitary you could snap back at her that you don't need such silly distractions.

Of course this would end up being a ridculous amount of work so this is probably a better idea for another game series by BioWare.

[Siansonea]

I'm sure BioWare believes that those of us who support the inclusion of same-sex content won't go to the extreme of passing on the game altogether if it is excluded, whereas they probably assume the anti-gay group absolutely will not buy the games if there is even a rumor that there is digital man-on-man action. Anybody who is halfway relaxed about the topic would not let the exclusion of same-sex content keep them from enjoying an otherwise great game. Bioware knows this, so they allow the irrational types to have their way, and the rest of us just have to deal with it.

Personally I think it's a pretty cowardly stance, but from a money standpoint, I guess I somewhat understand it. It would be nice if they had the guts to take a progressive stand on the issue, but so far the are 0 for 2. Or maybe 0.5 for 2 (because of Kelly and Liara).

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

But...gay content is already in the game with Liara and Kelly. We do not need to suddenly have a toggle to turn off things.

I have to say I don't understand why you find this compromise idea so offensive. In a perfect world it wouldn't be necessary, but that's not the world we live in. Like it or not, the anti-gay consumers exist. BioWare isn't going to suddenly reverse their position on same-sex issues for the sake of being progressive. They're going to protect their financial interest in the intellectual property. We can't fault them for that aspect of it, at least. Compromise of some sort is probably the only way the content will be implemented at all. We can rail at the wrongheadedness of our fellow humans all we want, but it won't change anything, and it certainly won't make us seem reasonable in the eyes of the people making decisions at BioWare.

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

Could you give an example of what kind of stuff you would see being different?

I can think of one instance where having a sexual orientation flag would change the dialogue from an NPC. When Aria tells you to "find a nice man/woman and relax", she could suggest an appropriate gender for your selected orientation.

Or if you're solitary you could snap back at her that you don't need such silly distractions.

Of course this would end up being a ridculous amount of work so this is probably a better idea for another game series by BioWare.

Exactly. The options wouldn't really change much NPC dialogue, but it might change a few lines of Shepard's dialogue, and perhaps create a whole different feel between playthroughs that are romance-focused and comraderie-focused. If these options existed, I would probably use them. My Significant Six Shepards would fall on different sides of the issue. Devon and Simone would be open to both sexes, Leah would be open to men, Ashley would be solitary, Martin would only like men, and Ethan would only like women. My internal idea for these characters fall along these lines, it would be cool if I could have another way to clearly define that about them rather than just leaving it as an idea I have for the characters. It doesn't have to be 'bad' thing.

[SorenTrigg]

I just do not see them putting in a bunch of alternate dialogue depending on what you choose, especially since they already remove the same sex romances from the first game due to time issues.



And while you do not see a downside to it, *all* I can see are downsides to it.

[Ziggy]

SorenTrigg wrote...

I just do not see them putting in a bunch of alternate dialogue depending on what you choose, especially since they already remove the same sex romances from the first game due to time issues.

And while you do not see a downside to it, *all* I can see are downsides to it.

Somehow i don't think time issues were the reason ss romance got axed.

[SorenTrigg]

They were. They ran out of time, and s/s romances were the 'less likely to be seen' so they got removed. One of the people that worked on the game made a comment on the other Bioware forum about it. I linked to it in one of the past pages.

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

I just do not see them putting in a bunch of alternate dialogue depending on what you choose, especially since they already remove the same sex romances from the first game due to time issues.

And while you do not see a downside to it, *all* I can see are downsides to it.

I guess you just want it your way, huh? For my part, I think compromise is always the best way to resolve a contentious issue. Being too inflexible on issues like this is a recipe for disappointment, in my opinion.

[SorenTrigg]

I would go dig the comment up again, but I am too tired tonight.
As for the content in the first game, it was not completely finished, but it is there, mostly. Just a couple 'ma'ams' and 'sirs' that were out of place, and the m/m one missing the final animation. As far as I know, from what I have seen of the videos.

And of course I wish for it my way. I mean, that is what everyone here is doing, really. Hence why it is a 'I wish they would do this' thread.

I just do not feel the need to compromise on this topic. Gay content is already in the game. They have put gay content in past games (m/m included), so why should Mass Effect have to have a toggle for any gay content (other than Liara and Kelly) put in in the future?

Modifié par SorenTrigg, 02 mai 2010 - 05:20 .

[Ziggy]

In that case why didn't they just say that instead of those silly 'shep is a predetermined character who is not gay' and 'asari aren't female so it's not ss' lines?

If it is a time thing though then all we can do is hope they find the time in me3.

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

I would go dig the comment up again, but I am too tired tonight.
As for the content in the first game, it was not completely finished, but it is there, mostly. Just a couple 'ma'ams' and 'sirs' that were out of place, and the m/m one missing the final animation. As far as I know, from what I have seen of the videos.

And of course I wish for it my way. I mean, that is what everyone here is doing, really. Hence why it is a 'I wish they would do this' thread.

I just do not feel the need to compromise on this topic. Gay content is already in the game. They have put gay content in past games (m/m included), so why should Mass Effect have to have a toggle for any gay content (other than Liara and Kelly) put in in the future?

For what it's worth, you and I pretty much agree on this issue. I think you're right, I think I'm right. But I know my right is usually somebody else's wrong. I can lament their stupidity or whatever, but I have enough compassion for my fellow humans that I am willing to make some sacrifices to ease their concerns, even if I think their concerns are nonsense.

[Siansonea]

And the time thing is a copout/BS answer. If it WAS a time issue, they could have issued a DLC for it. Especially since they were thisclose to finishing it. Political spin, that's all that was.

[SorenTrigg]

The main reason why I do not feel it is needed to compromise is because it is something optional.

If it bothers them, they can just not do it. Like with all of the current romances.

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

The main reason why I do not feel it is needed to compromise is because it is something optional.
If it bothers them, they can just not do it. Like with all of the current romances.

Yes they can. Reasonable, rational people everywhere will agree with this statement. But this is not a reasonable, rational group we're talking about, so logic is out the window on this one. Anti-gay sentiments are very emotional in nature, and the only way to accommodate this group is to address it from an emotional standpoint. Giving them the peace of mind to lock it out really costs nothing in the grand scheme of things, and shows that we are willing to treat their desires as valid, if they'll extend us the same courtesy.