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[Apophis2412]

RobbertDewulf wrote...

What do I care? It's just a game, c'mon get a life (or a partner of the same sex).

ME is a part of life.

[Derekki83]

Im hoping more romance/sexual actions on the next game Mass effect 3 (?)

There is many people on my ship that i would like to get in my capin and have some quality time with them.



-Shepard

[Jewsapalewsa]

Sylwia94 wrote...

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

Sylwia94 wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...

Sylwia94 wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...

Sylwia94 wrote...

 I fully agree with OP and support this thread 100%. If anyone want know full view about this matter just read first post in my thread. . I still think it's disgusting sexism or hipocrisy if they added lesbians but don't added gays. We want have choice in sexual orientation of Male Shepard in the same way as Female Shepard has! 
 
 And if anyone wants to repeat this nonsense like that "they includes f/f but no m/m because F/Fs are more accepted by society" just please don't say anything and stop compromising yourself. We all except some teen boys knows it's bull**** and most of girls want see m/m same as boys f/f, so it's just depend by gender of person who speak and in matters more serious(like adoption or marriage) than seeing two guys/girls making out, homosexual ppls always have same rights irrespective of their gender, so it's bull**** in all matters.

I hope after this thread BW finally will see what they customers want and give us what we want in ME2 and in future also in ME3! 

 Perhaps f/f was included because most players are heterosexual males?

Yes, and thats why I feel discriminated as heterosexual girl... Nowaday much of us play games too.

Discrimination would imply they didn't include m/m because they are homophobic.

In reality I think they didn't include it because the game would have sold less. That is not discrimination, but just a business descision.

Nonsense, it's up to player what he/she does and no one will don't buy that good game just because you can be gay. In rl you can be gay too and did you kill yourself because you can? Just like rl you should have a choice. An sorry but for me if they did f/f option to satisfy male players but don't did m/m option to satisfy female players fot me it's sexism, hipocrysy or whatever you want call it. If you wanna repaet nonsenses just look on DAO, this game are selling very, very good and does matter you can be gay there.

This is not nonsense.  Just because You don't agree with it doesn't change it from a business decision to discrimination.  It is still a business decision.  You could aregue that it is a bad one, but you can't say it is not a business decision.

But you said it's a bussiness decision, not BioWare. After succes of DAO they surely noticed that more options will bring more customers, not inversely.

True, I have never heard BioWare oficially state that it was a business decision.  I still think that you are overreacting by calling the discriminitory and sexist.  I think people have the right to make a decision based on what they think is right, and not be ridiculed for the samllest thing that could be construed as bigoted.  When every women who loses out on a promotion to a man says it is because the boss is sexist, it starts to sound like a joke when a real instance of sexism has occured. 

[Jewsapalewsa]

RobbertDewulf wrote...

What do I care? It's just a game, c'mon get a life (or a partner of the same sex).

You're so right, what kid of a loser gets onto these forums and posts about this pointless stuff.... oh wait that would be all of us, including you.  We're all just big losers who need to get a life.

[didymos1120]

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

I laughed so hard.  You are just asking for the hate to come pouring at you.  I can see your point.  It is a fairly accepted theory that homosexuality is an inborn genetic trait, and it could be "cured with the proper gene therapy, but the majority of the world can't handle such a suggestion. 

It's known that it's not a simple Mendelian trait.  So we're talking many genes at any number of loci, with an unknown number of alleles for each, tangled up in complex gene networks governing brain/CNS  development and with likely various subtle endocrine effects involved, probably in both mother and child. Oh, yeah, and don't forget potential epigenetic factors. So a "cure" is... rather unlikely, even if gene therapy becomes ubiquitous.    Also, unecessary.

[mothbanquet]

RobbertDewulf wrote...

What do I care? It's just a game, c'mon get a life (or a partner of the same sex).

You seem to care enough to contribute, though to which side of the argument I'm not too sure.

Modifié par mothbanquet, 26 février 2010 - 02:01 .

[didymos1120]

Wittand25 wrote...

To everyone :
Please stop the discussion of real life homosexuality and keep to discussing homosexuality in context of the game. Derrailing over such issues has got some incarnations of this thread closed and I dont want to this to happen again.

Sorry, you're right.  I didn't catch this before I replied.

[didymos1120]

Octorox wrote...

 wow this thread grows fast! Anyway, I definitely, from the beginning, support same sex romances in ME3, even it means that as a straight Shepard those romances are barred from me or if gay characters hit on my Shepard. If they made Tali bi in ME2 via DLC I'd deal with it. It is just a game. I agree that the fun factor outweighs canon or any theories I have about the nature of the ME world or the nature of specific characters within. I guess I just see the relationships aspect as more of a story thing than a gameplay thing (trust me, I love great, fun gameplay, and I think ME has it, as well as Mario ) but opening up these previously heterosexual characters to players of the same sex wouldn't really kill the story for anyone anyway, I got a bit carried away and played devil's advocate for a bit. I lend my support and hope Bioware does something for the gay community in the future.

We've had our disagreements, Octo, but you're good people, man.

[cutthecameras]

Jewsapalewsa wrote...


Wait are you chastizing me, or agreeing with me.   Don't toy with me woman!!! (I assume, but I could be wrong.)

lol. All I'm saying, to you and anyone else speculating, is that there is little point in doing so. All this thread is for is to talk about ways on how to implement s/s romance in the ME universe. It's been removed from the games in the past and we're not even demanding an explanation as to why, we're just here to talk about how it would be best to go about including these options in any upcoming ME games. We don't believe the addition of such content would have any negative effects.

RobbertDewulf wrote...

What do I care? It's just a game, c'mon get a life (or a partner of the same sex).

Hahaha, me and my girlfriend were both very disappointed at the exclusion of same-sex partners for our Shepards.

[Jewsapalewsa]

didymos1120 wrote...

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

I laughed so hard.  You are just asking for the hate to come pouring at you.  I can see your point.  It is a fairly accepted theory that homosexuality is an inborn genetic trait, and it could be "cured with the proper gene therapy, but the majority of the world can't handle such a suggestion. 

It's known that it's not a simple Mendelian trait.  So we're talking many genes at any number of loci, with an unknown number of alleles for each, tangled up in complex gene networks governing brain/CNS  development and with likely various subtle endocrine effects involved, probably in both mother and child. Oh, yeah, and don't forget potential epigenetic factors. So a "cure" is... rather unlikely, even if gene therapy becomes ubiquitous.    Also, unecessary.

We're manipulating dark energy, creating black holes with our mind, and using the sponatiously tangible omni-tool to shoot a bose-einstein condensate at our enemies to snap freeze them, and you're worried that the technology we are working on today might not leap enough hurtles?  I think that if we get to that point, we can genetically give a human a shin beak with a surly disposion, much less cure homosexuality.  But I do agree that it would be unnecessary.

[mothbanquet]

Well youngsters, it's nice to see people acting all civil like and it's certainly good for the thread.  Hopefully this (for the most part) measured and balanced debate will give BioWare some food for thought.  It may make a difference, it may not but I'm sure they will respect the opinions of their fans provided they raise valid points, which in my humble opinion, have been raised thus far.

This isn't about winning or losing in the end, this is about trying to restore common sense.

Kudos to you all!

Modifié par mothbanquet, 26 février 2010 - 02:10 .

[mothbanquet]

didymos1120 wrote...

Octorox wrote...

 wow this thread grows fast! Anyway, I definitely, from the beginning, support same sex romances in ME3, even it means that as a straight Shepard those romances are barred from me or if gay characters hit on my Shepard. If they made Tali bi in ME2 via DLC I'd deal with it. It is just a game. I agree that the fun factor outweighs canon or any theories I have about the nature of the ME world or the nature of specific characters within. I guess I just see the relationships aspect as more of a story thing than a gameplay thing (trust me, I love great, fun gameplay, and I think ME has it, as well as Mario ) but opening up these previously heterosexual characters to players of the same sex wouldn't really kill the story for anyone anyway, I got a bit carried away and played devil's advocate for a bit. I lend my support and hope Bioware does something for the gay community in the future.

We've had our disagreements, Octo, but you're good people, man.

That's what we need more of.  Spread the Tali love guys!

Oh sh*t, wrong thread

[Apophis2412]

mothbanquet wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Octorox wrote...

 wow this thread grows fast! Anyway, I definitely, from the beginning, support same sex romances in ME3, even it means that as a straight Shepard those romances are barred from me or if gay characters hit on my Shepard. If they made Tali bi in ME2 via DLC I'd deal with it. It is just a game. I agree that the fun factor outweighs canon or any theories I have about the nature of the ME world or the nature of specific characters within. I guess I just see the relationships aspect as more of a story thing than a gameplay thing (trust me, I love great, fun gameplay, and I think ME has it, as well as Mario ) but opening up these previously heterosexual characters to players of the same sex wouldn't really kill the story for anyone anyway, I got a bit carried away and played devil's advocate for a bit. I lend my support and hope Bioware does something for the gay community in the future.

We've had our disagreements, Octo, but you're good people, man.

That's what we need more of.  Spread the Tali love guys!

Oh sh*t, wrong thread

Not if they make Tali bisexual in ME3.

[mothbanquet]

Apophis2412 wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

That's what we need more of.  Spread the Tali love guys!

Oh sh*t, wrong thread

Not if they make Tali bisexual in ME3.

I agree, everyone should experience her sweet, warm loveliness no matter their gender!!

[didymos1120]

Apophis2412 wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Octorox wrote...

 wow this thread grows fast! Anyway, I definitely, from the beginning, support same sex romances in ME3, even it means that as a straight Shepard those romances are barred from me or if gay characters hit on my Shepard. If they made Tali bi in ME2 via DLC I'd deal with it. It is just a game. I agree that the fun factor outweighs canon or any theories I have about the nature of the ME world or the nature of specific characters within. I guess I just see the relationships aspect as more of a story thing than a gameplay thing (trust me, I love great, fun gameplay, and I think ME has it, as well as Mario ) but opening up these previously heterosexual characters to players of the same sex wouldn't really kill the story for anyone anyway, I got a bit carried away and played devil's advocate for a bit. I lend my support and hope Bioware does something for the gay community in the future.

We've had our disagreements, Octo, but you're good people, man.

That's what we need more of.  Spread the Tali love guys!

Oh sh*t, wrong thread

Not if they make Tali bisexual in ME3.

Wouldn't that just spread the Tali love even further? 


....OK, proposal: we need to stop using the words "Tali" and "spread" in the same sentence.  It could get out hand, fast. Or in hand, if that's how you roll.

[mothbanquet]

didymos1120 wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...

Not if they make Tali bisexual in ME3.

Wouldn't that just spread the Tali love even further? 

....OK, proposal: we need to stop using the words "Tali" and "spread" in the same sentence.  It could get out hand, fast. Or in hand, if that's how you roll.

Haha. YEAAAH!!!  Now this thread is gettin interesting!  And to think, I thought I could keep up with the intellectual undertones.  I proved myself wrong.

[Jewsapalewsa]

All aboard the Tali Train, next stop talipron!!



Sorry got a little carried away there.

[Ryzaki]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

OMG personal preference! OMGNOWAI!

Did you not read the bolded. And ME2 isn't my idea of a great book either. Then again I'm more of a fantasy girl when it comes to my books.

Girl? Hmm, you remind me of Maria then.

There are many different genres of books, television, and movies, but story-driven video games are practically non existent. If there's a large fanbase/demand for dramas, why can't there be more games like Heavy Rain?

Never said I wouldn't like it if there were. But lets be honest something like Halo, Modern Warfare, Rockband, A wii game, will mostly outsell it and corporations go were the money is. Sad but true. If those kind of games made a chuckload of money like those games do you can beat your sweet a*** there would be a lot of them.

Heck I'm a Suikoden Tatics girl. You think I'm not sad there's not many games like that? 

[Sylwia94]

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

Sylwia94 wrote...

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

Sylwia94 wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...

Sylwia94 wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...

Sylwia94 wrote...

 I fully agree with OP and support this thread 100%. If anyone want know full view about this matter just read first post in my thread. . I still think it's disgusting sexism or hipocrisy if they added lesbians but don't added gays. We want have choice in sexual orientation of Male Shepard in the same way as Female Shepard has! 
 
 And if anyone wants to repeat this nonsense like that "they includes f/f but no m/m because F/Fs are more accepted by society" just please don't say anything and stop compromising yourself. We all except some teen boys knows it's bull**** and most of girls want see m/m same as boys f/f, so it's just depend by gender of person who speak and in matters more serious(like adoption or marriage) than seeing two guys/girls making out, homosexual ppls always have same rights irrespective of their gender, so it's bull**** in all matters.

I hope after this thread BW finally will see what they customers want and give us what we want in ME2 and in future also in ME3! 

 Perhaps f/f was included because most players are heterosexual males?

Yes, and thats why I feel discriminated as heterosexual girl... Nowaday much of us play games too.

Discrimination would imply they didn't include m/m because they are homophobic.

In reality I think they didn't include it because the game would have sold less. That is not discrimination, but just a business descision.

Nonsense, it's up to player what he/she does and no one will don't buy that good game just because you can be gay. In rl you can be gay too and did you kill yourself because you can? Just like rl you should have a choice. An sorry but for me if they did f/f option to satisfy male players but don't did m/m option to satisfy female players fot me it's sexism, hipocrysy or whatever you want call it. If you wanna repaet nonsenses just look on DAO, this game are selling very, very good and does matter you can be gay there.

This is not nonsense.  Just because You don't agree with it doesn't change it from a business decision to discrimination.  It is still a business decision.  You could aregue that it is a bad one, but you can't say it is not a business decision.

But you said it's a bussiness decision, not BioWare. After succes of DAO they surely noticed that more options will bring more customers, not inversely.

True, I have never heard BioWare oficially state that it was a business decision.  I still think that you are overreacting by calling the discriminitory and sexist.  I think people have the right to make a decision based on what they think is right, and not be ridiculed for the samllest thing that could be construed as bigoted.  When every women who loses out on a promotion to a man says it is because the boss is sexist, it starts to sound like a joke when a real instance of sexism has occured. 

When women who loses out on a promotion to a man with lower qualifications thats probally sexism but if they have same qualifications it's just feminist-bull****. I'm not feminist and I don't see sexism everywhere but that fact producers always focus on male sexuality is true and clearly visible in ME2. look no one shout about sexism or whathever after ME1 where you can romance with "blue-skinned alien women" as female, because it's only one option and she don't even be a normal women, just alien. But after ME2 where as women you can choose sexual orientation and as men you have no choice, many ppls feel dissapointment or discriminated what is clearly visible on this forum and many other places in internet. Many of us just don't understand why they don't added m/m when they added f/f and many of us treat it like sexism, even mans noticed it because someone in pw to me said:

" (...) I really think it's about the world being sexist.(...)So, once more, we've got the proof that women is still being treated as
a sexual object, a public fetish. That's a shame, but that's how I
understand this. "


Maybe it's sounds radical but I can't disagree with him, they added f/f romances to satisfy guys and they didn't added m/m to satisfy girls, Yes, it's only game and no, I don't use games to "please my sexuality" but this game is supossed to be perfect and I feel dissapointed now. As I said before, it's not a problem for me when games do not contains same sex romances(only few contains) but if game with so many choices do not allow male character to choose sexual orientation, while allow female character to do it, it's for me sign of sexism. I tired to write it clear, you can disagree but you don't be a girl, so you probally won't understand my point of view, at least try please.  

Modifié par Sylwia94, 26 février 2010 - 03:15 .

[FKA_Servo]

Sylwia94 wrote...

When women who loses out on a promotion to a man with lower qualifications thats probally sexism but if they have same qualifications it's just feminist-bull****. I'm not feminist and I don't see sexism everywhere but that fact producers always focus on male sexuality is true and clearly visible in ME2. look no one shout about sexism or whathever after ME1 where you can romance with "blue-skinned alien women" as female, because it's only one option and she don't even be a normal women, just alien. But after ME2 where as women you can choose sexual orientation and as men you have no choice, many ppls feel dissapointment or discriminated what is clearly visible on this forum and many other places in internet. Many of us just don't understand why they don't added m/m when they added f/f and many of us treat it like sexism, even mans noticed it because someone in pw to me said:

A couple of things for everyone.  Please do not post quote pyramids - edit that stuff!  It makes a thread hard to read.

Second - this thread is about Mass Effect.  It's not about other games, so unless your example is relevant to the discussion of s/s romance in Mass Effect (and none of the Heavy Rain tangents have been), leave it.

This also is not a thread where we call Bioware names. 

And finally, this isn't really the place to discuss real-life issues.  If you want to start a discussion on homophobia or the male gaze in the off-topic forum, that would be great, and I can assure you that a lot of us would want to join in.  :happy:

But please - keep it to Mass Effect.  We're defending the inclusion of this stuff and brainstorming ways to implement that work well in the context of Mass Effect's story.

Also, again - if you're interested in the topic and want to discuss it in a less public forum, or you want to express your support for it, please join our group!  You can link there from the banner in my signature.

Modifié par TommyServo, 26 février 2010 - 04:27 .

[Apophis2412]

TommyServo wrote...


And finally, this isn't really the place to discuss real-life issues.  If you want to start a discussion on homophobia or the male gaze in the off-topic forum, that would be great, and I can assure you that a lot of us would want to join in.  :happy:

Guess what I just did. (http://social.biowar...index/1446744/1)

[FKA_Servo]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Guess what I just did. (http://social.biowar...index/1446744/1)

 /highfive

[tyddrwsau]

catabuca wrote...

I support this topic.

My preference, for the way it is implemented into ME3, is that it should be implemented in exactly the same way as hetero relationship options. No DLC, no 'crush' import screen, and no coloured text (although I am in agreement that the current way conversations are handled in the game, for hetero relationships in this case, are flawed, and players are seemingly 'pushed' into a relationship whether they want one or not - this would have to be addressed across the board, and not just for gay content).

I'd be happy to have same-sex romance added to ME2, but there are a number of reasons why I'd rather see it in an expansion instead of DLC. One, character DLC has pretty large file size. You don't want to know how horribly long it took me to download Zaeed at home (and since cellular wireless is the only way I can get any kind of broadband at home, there's also a pesky bandwidth cap I have to worry about). Having additional romance content integrated with more material also means even more "new stuff" to enjoy.

In response to the various folks who have said that viewing same-sex sexual activity is a turn-off... I think it's fair to say that for most people, sexual activities that don't suit their orientation is usually a turn-off. Other folks from Fight For the Love have said it before, but I'll repeat: the emphasis is on romantic content, here, not explicit sexual material. I'm certainly not looking for smut or a titillation factor from a video game - but a variety of compelling romantic subplots appeals to me very much. Similarly, when hubby and I go out with friend couples, I get happy feelings in response to their various "isn't that sweet!" behaviour, but I don't imagine their private life. I can consume media that represents romantic stories, and enjoy it, but it's the romance and not some sort of sexy feeling that makes this so.

Related to this, I'd be very very pleased if BioWare includes elements of romances in ME3 (or ME2 expansion) that transcend this formula: 1) Shepard and X meet   2) Brief getting-to-know-you period  3) sex scene just before endgame!  4) done now.   

[didymos1120]

tyddrwsau wrote...
I'd be happy to have same-sex romance added to ME2, but there are a number of reasons why I'd rather see it in an expansion instead of DLC.

See, I want it the other way.  So how 'bout we, er, go both ways? 

Modifié par didymos1120, 26 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[FKA_Servo]

I think anyone in favor of having it in would like a quick DLC option to add a character or unlock an existing one.  I really think the best way to do it though would be an expansion, especially if adding a new character.  A full expansion would allow the character to be fleshed out while adding LOTS of content that every player of every disposition can enjoy.