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[Wittand25]

You know if they do a DLC with s/s romances for ME2 they could or maybe even should create a new options section labeled DLC similar to what DA has where you can enable or disable every DLC (Normandy crash site, Kasumi, Zeead, s/s-romance, ...)for an playthrough that way everybody is happy. Just to single out the s/s romance could be taken by many in a wrong way.

If we are talking about ME3 there would be more elegant options to enable s/s content than an toggle in the options. E.g. Shepard has early in the game a conversation with Dr. Chakwas,Joker or another npc, during this talk Shepard can comment on his/her sexual preferance which enables the s/s LI.

[KalosCast]

Wittand25 wrote...

You know if they do a DLC with s/s romances for ME2 they could or maybe even should create a new options section labeled DLC similar to what DA has where you can enable or disable every DLC (Normandy crash site, Kasumi, Zeead, s/s-romance, ...)for an playthrough that way everybody is happy. Just to single out the s/s romance could be taken by many in a wrong way.
If we are talking about ME3 there would be more elegant options to enable s/s content than an toggle in the options. E.g. Shepard has early in the game a conversation with Dr. Chakwas,Joker or another npc, during this talk Shepard can comment on his/her sexual preferance which enables the s/s LI.

Were it to be added, I would prefer it to be in ME3, since if it was in ME2 we would either af to add ANOTHER unneeded squad member or have Thane (or whoever) suddenly be like "oh, I actually forgot I was bi until just now. Isn't that silly?"

Having you comment on it to an NPC to start up a flag would be even more awkward. Just ignoring that it would be some serious characterization wiplash ("you know how I dated Ashley? Thought she was a dude, my bad") the only other option would be Shepard coming out about something everyone already knows in the case of FemShep with Liara ("you know how I seduced that lady? Totally into ladies [possibly dudes
too] thought you should know") or StraightShep ("you know how I've exhibited nothing but heterosexuality? I'm heterosexual, thought you should know.")

[Wittand25]

It would not be that blunt (though I agree it could cause some problems with imported Shepards)

I was more thinking about something like this:
NPC (if shepard had a romance in either ME1 or 2):  "I remember that you are not opposed to fraternisation"
NPC (if Shepard had no romance in ME 1 and ME2):" You always kept a professional distance to the crew "

Shepard can now give five different answers labeled as (for imorted Shepards the unsuiting answers could be greyed out):
on the left site of the dialog wheel:
[take chance with right man] (enables s/s romance if Shepard is male, no effect if shepard is female)
[take change with right woman](enables s/s romance if Shepard is female, no effect if shepard is male)
[take chance with the right person](enables s/s romance)
on the right site of the dialog wheel:
[mission is most imortant] (no effect on romance options but awards paragon points)
[keep out of my personal live] (no effect on the romance options but awards renegade points)

what Shepard actually says for all of these five options could be written in a way to work with both the npc questions.

[KalosCast]

OR...

Call me crazy here, but it could be handled exactly the same way as all of the other LI options are, as in it's based off of how you interact with your squadmates. Though I wouldn't mind some sort of pre-relationship warning flag, since I didn't even realize I was gonna sex anyone on my initial play-through before it was too late... I was just being nice, I swear. Damn my lack of sexuality.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yeah I had that problem in Mass Effect. Was intentionally trying to romance Ashley, then I somehow managed to play my cards right with Liara, then I let the game choose for me and it was like "You gonna go with LIara" and I was like nooooooooooooo, damnit I ****ed up my pro-Human character.



But then I didn't really care enough to reload a save.

[Tirigon]

slimgrin wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

I think the main reason why people feel that way, is because why exactly should we have to accommodate people who oppose same sex romances?
There should be no reason to compromise for *same treatment*.

I get that sometimes you have to compromise, but why in this case? There are already heterosexual romances. People will lose *nothing* if same sex romances are put in. So, why?

You are ignoring the bias of the majority. It's not fair, but that is why you have to compromise.

I think you´re right that a lousy compromise is still better than nothing.

But in general you should avoid compromises with homophobes, just like you shouldn´t compromise with racists or religious fundamentalists, because a compromise means you accept part of the other´s opinion.

And one should NOT accept homophobe opinions.

[KalosCast]

Tirigon wrote...

I think you´re right that a lousy compromise is still better than nothing.

But in general you should avoid compromises with homophobes, just like you shouldn´t compromise with racists or religious fundamentalists, because a compromise means you accept part of the other´s opinion.

And one should NOT accept homophobe opinions.

This This This This

Compromising with homophobia (which I sincerely doubt is the majority) is exactly the same as compromisng with any sort of other irrational hatred of naturally occurring traits. But if Mirandas blatant T&A shots, as well as Samaras sweater-cows in your face every shot aren't pandering to the straight base, then a single tasteful s/s LI (a real one, not Liara... which only applies to FemShep anyway) can't even come close to "playing to the minority".

I'm not arguing that the lack of them is compromising with homophobia, just that the ways people want to implement them clearly are. If they don't show up in ME3, it's because either "Shep is an established character" (somehow), "We didnt' have any gay males on the team to help write a realisitc LI" (they've got a blue-skinned monogendered alien babe in SFX though), or whatever horrible excuse they're using at the moment. (Or my current excuse of "Garrus is bi, he just likes femboys", because it makes me giggle).

Modifié par KalosCast, 03 mai 2010 - 09:29 .

[Tirigon]

Nordic Einar wrote...

I'd like to point out, yet again, that Bioware games have always sold extremely well. This includes games that have included S/S Romances. Unless you can cite a dependable source that inclusion of S/S content hurts sales this argument from you is baseless. As has been brought up many times, DA:O sold extremely well, despite including S/S romances. Indeed, they even included very abrasive S/S romances. Zevran hit on everything that moved - people got over it.

You can keep claiming that this is how it is - that doesn't make it true. Back up your sources and stop informing us that we're just being naive - because as it stands the only support I see for your position is your own words.

Funnily, Zevran is even the character with the biggest fanbase.

[Tirigon]

slimgrin wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

Only FemShep should be gay/bisexual. It would be wrong to make Male Shep gay/bisexual.

Lol. Every straight man's dream, right?

*looks at himself*

Yes. That´s why I mostly play lesbian or bisexual women in DAOB)


I think Male Shep should have the chance to be gay or bi, too, however.

Not only because I could RP another character, but more important because others might enjoy a gay Maleshep more and they should be able to play their favourite characters, too.

Modifié par Tirigon, 03 mai 2010 - 09:39 .

[Huojin]

A bunch of people wrote...

Actually, Martin brings up a semi-valid point. Same sex relationships may never spread to men in this game. Is that considered unfair, just fanservice?
...

Fanservice and unfair. (Probably depends on who you ask. I personally think its both but that's just me).
...
I believe it's just unfair. As for the fanservice... well i doubt that the majority of the male players would complain about a f/f love scene. I would even go so far and say: It would sell even better.

Of course it's both.

All over the Media industry you have white straight men dominating, broadcasting f/f (usually insultingly badly done; obviously only done for wet dreams of aforementioned males) relationships and kissing without anyone batting an eyelash (at least here). You get two guys together and suddenly everyone has messed their pants. And by "everyone" I mean a few hysterics (really, furore about Media-portrayed same sex relationships is pretty low in the UK these days and generally down to fundies rather than... people who just want to get on with their lives and ignore people who aren't harming anyone else ¬¬).

And yeah, it's just unfair; you're excluding a fair amount of the fanbase this way///denying them the full possibilities of the game.    If a LI is going to be included, why not include it for everyone? Why ignore any percentage of the fanbase?

  I'm a pansexual genderqueer/biological female (leaning towards male end of things)... I always RP male characters unless there's a specific plot line I want to go down, and I always RP homosexual relationships (Fable 2, Dragon Age, ME1 [in my DREAMS] and yes, even Sims XD) - both m/m and f/f - unless I need an achievement. And yes, 'need' is an appropriate word   

So uh yeah... I'm not getting everything I could from my ME1 PT.  I enjoy the LI part of the game, and I prefer to play a straight MAN if it's forced that way, but the straight female path is just so dull for me. I may not identify with either (straight/female) NOW, but I *have* lived most of my life that way; my personal playing preferences mean I just don't get anything out of a straight female PT. I don't identify with it, I don't enjoy it, and  I only did it in DA:O to be queen 

You're also ignoring yaoi fangirls who like RPGs//women who like slash. They'll buy it for gay.  And there's nothing wrong with that; men can get off on lezzybeans, why can't women get their boylove? 

You can make your Shep look pretty much the way you want (You can make the women look a little trans, at least, covering the trans. preference). You can pick the class, background, appearance, race (Yes I have a badass Asian Shep)  personality etc. why not sexuality? If it really bothers people to have a same-gender pixel character come on to them, and to be able to turn them down with no butt-touching or negative consequences, why not flag the sexuality at the start and then it won't come up ever again? 

You can choose whether to pursue the LI storyline or not, as far as I understand it (Maybe I am playing wrong D:). Technically, this also covers the asexual preference - you're not forced to pursue a LI, and you CAN reject people (can't you!?)

I also don't understand this thing people have with it not being what the majority wants : heterosexual is still - as far as I know - the most 'usual' sexual preference. Other sexualities are always going to be in the minority; this doesn't mean you should just ignore them.  It's like saying X is an ethnic minority, therefore they won't be included.  Childfree homosexual couples have more disposable income than heteros anyway... if I was running a company, I'd work to accomodate them to get some of that lovely free money   It's a fair enough % of the fanbase that wants it, and it's NOT limited to homosexual players so...what?

 If you put a gay man in, is he going to automatically subject your Male!Shep to buttrape? Err... no.  Is a female LI going to just grab your boobs inappropriately ? I
sure hope not. 
As has been said: nobody loses anything with this as an addition, it only enriches the experience for the rest of us. Why is that wrong?  Wherein lies the problem? Regardless of your playing
preferences, any argument against this whole idea is incredibly
illogical. 

DaeJi wrote

No, most of us would like the former bisexual squadmates to be reimplemented, this includes, Tali, Thane, Jack and Kaidan.

GTFO. Thane was bi?  I knew about Kaidan & Tali (IDC about Jack) but Thane? Man... high levels of sadness.   I agree that it would be weird to just have DLC that suddenly brings that up but uh... Thane just amazing and I'm not sure I'd care that much (gods, I'm so shallow. I apologise).

Modifié par Huojin, 03 mai 2010 - 09:44 .

[Tirigon]

Huojin wrote...

As has been said: nobody loses anything with this as an addition, it only enriches the experience for the rest of us. Why is that wrong?  Wherein lies the problem? Regardless of your playing preferences, any argument against this whole idea is incredibly
illogical. 

Unfortunately, many people (and by some funny chance every homophobe) don´t think like that, if they think at all.

[Huojin]

Tirigon wrote...

Huojin wrote...

As has
been said: nobody loses anything with this as an addition, it only
enriches the experience for the rest of us. Why is that wrong?  Wherein
lies the problem? Regardless of your playing preferences, any argument
against this whole idea is incredibly
illogical. 

Unfortunately, many people (and by some funny chance every homophobe) don´t think like that, if they think at all.

I know, and I agree with you and the other posts here; NOBODY should be pandering to what these kind of people want. It's like claiming that "most gamers are white men" and then not allowing the player to pick an Asian or black skin tone/face structure/nose type/lip shape. 

Why not just give me generic white male heterosexual Shepherd #297529863423946 if it's going to play out like this?

Funnily enough it's the failure in sensible business logic that bothers me the most. 

I grew up with a lot of ignorant people (despite being English born and bred, having an Asian mother meant that not only did I get a lot of homophobic/transphobic abuse, but a lot of racism too.  I just laugh it off now out of habit.   I probably shouldn't but ah, if I didn't do that I'd probably be in prison for murder XD

[Huojin]

Adriano87 wrote...

Thane isn't Bi

and I oppose adding homos matters in Mass Effect III

*pats you on the head*

Modifié par Huojin, 03 mai 2010 - 09:52 .

[Wittand25]

Huojin wrote...
GTFO. Thane was bi?  I knew about Kaidan & Tali (IDC about Jack) but Thane? Man... high levels of sadness.   I agree that it would be weird to just have DLC that suddenly brings that up but uh... Thane just amazing and I'm not sure I'd care that much (gods, I'm so shallow. I apologise).

I think in the audiofiles you can find unused dialog of mordin explaining the dangers of licking thane to a male shepard, so there is a strong clue that thane was once considert an option for both Shepards.
and I would be more than ready to purchase a DLC that simply removes the gender check from the Thane romance (and maybe adjusts the romance scene, because if you use the savegame editor to see MShep/Thane, Shepard is licking Thane´s nose instead of kissing him).

[Ryzaki]

Wittand25 wrote...

Huojin wrote...
GTFO. Thane was bi?  I knew about Kaidan & Tali (IDC about Jack) but Thane? Man... high levels of sadness.   I agree that it would be weird to just have DLC that suddenly brings that up but uh... Thane just amazing and I'm not sure I'd care that much (gods, I'm so shallow. I apologise).

I think in the audiofiles you can find unused dialog of mordin explaining the dangers of licking thane to a male shepard, so there is a strong clue that thane was once considert an option for both Shepards.
and I would be more than ready to purchase a DLC that simply removes the gender check from the Thane romance (and maybe adjusts the romance scene, because if you use the savegame editor to see MShep/Thane, Shepard is licking Thane´s nose instead of kissing him).

Hey maybe Shepard was trying to get high.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Adriano87 wrote...
and I oppose adding homos matters in Mass Effect III

And in regards to the cut bisexual romances, I would say they should only impliment those who seem clearer in that regard in game IE Jack.  Perhaps Tali as her dialogue is confusing as well.

[Tirigon]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...


And in regards to the cut bisexual romances, I would say they should only impliment those who seem clearer in that regard in game IE Jack.  Perhaps Tali as her dialogue is confusing as well.

Tali actually flirts with your FemShep. I had romanced her mith a male Shep and part of the dialogue you get as FemShep is the same. I was not only disappointed but also surprised that you just had no dialogue choices leading to the romance. They just removed half of Tali´s dialogue for females and didn´t even alter the rest.........

[Onyx Jaguar]

Again, its like these people are coming in trying to get one of you guys banned on one of them banned.



At least this one doesn't really make much sense.

[Tirigon]

@ Adriano: Homosexuality is natural (it wouldn´t exist otherwise) and it´s only immoral if you have screwed and intolerant moral views.



So please stop saying that and just stay out of the thread........

[Ryzaki]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Again, its like these people are coming in trying to get one of you guys banned on one of them banned.

At least this one doesn't really make much sense.

Hey at least he's not that wall of text troll.

Anyways. Yeah there was a weird glitch in the french version of the game where during the latter parts of the FemShepxThane romance MShep would say FemShep's lines.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yeah you just described me. But whats wrong with hedonism?



/parks a car infront of the train

[Ryzaki]

*snipped* fine no respond to trolls.

Anyways MshepxKaidan had some funny dialogue. The serving under me line was gold.

Alas. What could have been. *tears*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 mai 2010 - 10:37 .