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[Onyx Jaguar]

Ryzaki wrote...

*snipped* fine no respond to trolls.

Anyways MshepxKaidan had some funny dialogue. The serving under me line was gold.

Alas. What could have been. *tears*

Awwww, I was gonna reply to what you said... rofl

[Onyx Jaguar]

rynluna wrote...

@Adriano...

What's the point of your latest post? It has nothing to do with adding s/s romance to ME3.

Everyone else...use the fancy red button. : )

Shh, I want to see where this goes.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yes we should learn hedonism from good teachers, that way we all become flexible and awesome. It is something I have failed in, and thusly I have turned into Andrew Ryan.

[Tirigon]

Adriano87 wrote...
the real freedom is not to be disturbed by unnatural events, to bearing the pains and avoiding the pleasure as much as possible ... and do what is rational

For you maybe, and then I wish you to be happy with your way of living.

But don´t pretend it´s the only way to live. If others want to lead their life differently it is their right.



And now let´s get back to including lesbian romances in ME, all right?

[ElitePinecone]

I hate being in a different timezone to most posters on this topic Overnight at least 8 pages appeared...



Regarding Bioware's deliberate/non-deliberate exclusion of true s/s content in the ME games, the conflicting and contradictory statements by Bioware employees makes me believe that it's a deliberate marketing strategy rather than an oversight or a 'defined view' kind of character. I'd be very happy for someone to find evidence to the contrary, or for Bioware to say otherwise, but until then it appears to be a deliberate choice to be cautious with their market appeal. The 'reasons' they've given seem (as a poster said above) to be nothing more than marketing spin designed to cover up a lack of any real response.



Disappointing? Yes. But surely predictable in the hunt for a broad market for their product.

[Huojin]

Adriano87 wrote...

I pray the Universe, to stop Bioware from putting UNNATURAL, IRRATIONAL & IMMORAL Homoseksuel containing topics in ME3

!!!

You can't say "homoseksuels" are irrational and immoral and then PRAY TO THE UNIVERSE!!!

Wittand25 wrote...

Huojin wrote...
GTFO. Thane
was bi?  I knew about Kaidan & Tali (IDC about Jack) but Thane?
Man... high levels of sadness.   I agree that it would be weird to just
have DLC that suddenly brings that up but uh... Thane just amazing and
I'm not sure I'd care that much (gods, I'm so shallow. I apologise).

I
think in the audiofiles you can find unused dialog of mordin explaining
the dangers of licking thane to a male shepard, so there is a strong
clue that thane was once considert an option for both Shepards.
and
I would be more than ready to purchase a DLC that simply removes the
gender check from the Thane romance (and maybe adjusts the romance
scene, because if you use the savegame editor to see MShep/Thane,
Shepard is licking Thane´s nose instead of kissing him).

......... Bioware, I am disappoint.  You know, I would actually purchase DLC that did this (providing it was appropriately priced...haha).

Tirigon wrote...

And now let´s get back to including lesbian romances in ME, all right?

Err manlove too. Don't let us forget the manlove [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] equality and all that XD  ATM I'm not so keen on any of the female LIs. Maybe it'll change the further I go but at the moment they're all pretty 'meh'.  Games generally don't do a great job when it comes to female characters anyway... at least the BW women have proper personalities 9_9

[Tirigon]

Huojin wrote...

Err manlove too. Don't let us forget the manlove [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] equality and all that XD 

True. But Adriano is probably male so I dumbed it down to something straight males can enjoy too:wub:
We may not over-challenge the minds of others, right?

ATM I'm not so keen on any of the female LIs. Maybe it'll change the further I go but at the moment they're all pretty 'meh'.  Games generally don't do a great job when it comes to female characters anyway... at least the BW women have proper personalities 9_9

True. Tali isn´t too bad, but not seeing her face hurts her a bit as a LI.

And the others... Meh.

Garrus and Thane are by far more interesting.

Come to think of it, Jacob sucks too so maybe it´s that all the human LIs are boring?:innocent:

[Huojin]

Tirigon wrote...

True. Tali isn´t too bad, but not seeing her face hurts her a bit as a LI.

And the others... Meh.

Garrus and Thane are by far more interesting.

Come to think of it, Jacob sucks too so maybe it´s that all the human LIs are boring?:innocent:

Well I'm only just nearing the end of ME1 (yeahhhh, so I'm behind everyone in the world, apparently) but I uh, kinda cheated and rented ME2 for a couple of weeks to taste it. Yup, before I'd cleared ME1 and yup spoilers but I didn't care. I was intruiged by the scaly green man, OK?!

I can't really say anything for/against Jacob; Thane was so I looked him up on YT. I like Tali as a character but uh yeah, as a LI is a bit too creepy for me. Maybe if you have a gas mask fetish or something... IDK.

I love Garrus to pieces though, I was very pleased to find out he was a LI in ME2.  He's actually the only reason I've got a F!Shep....

Modifié par Huojin, 03 mai 2010 - 11:15 .

[Ziggy]

Siansonea II wrote...

Em23 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
If you think about it, Bioware is accomodating both sides this way, not just one side. That is also how it can be received.

That's my point though. I don't think bioware wants to be seen to be accommodating homophobia.
They want to do it, but not so they have to admit that's what they're doing.

What I don't get is why people act like it's a cardinal sin for BioWare to accommodate these consumers. Compromise is not a dirty word, people. Having the content present at all would be a victory, and they could answer any media outcry by focusing on what they're including, not how they're organizing it. I honestly think if the 'toggle' was part of an organic character creation process, no one would bat an eyelash about it. It would just seem like another Shepard customization option. My Shepard is a Soldier, has green eyes, grew up on Earth, got his team killed on Torfan, and likes men romantically. I don't see a political sh*tstorm in this scenario.

You know, on second thoughts, you may be right.
Bioware could say it deepens character customisation and makes it so players have fewer awkward rejections to get through and so forth. Something like that. They are good at that sort of thing.
I think i'm pro toggle again.
Would the compromise be enough to satisfy the anti-gay crowd bioware seems to want to sell their game to though...

Modifié par Em23, 03 mai 2010 - 01:36 .

[Huojin]

Would the compromise be enough to satisfy the anti-gay crowd bioware seems to want to sell their game to though...

The real question is: should BioWare be pandering to homophobes, racists, anti-Semites etc?



Besides, unless the gay option involves your PC being raped by the NPC, there's no valid reason for any of them to run crying to mummy.

[Ziggy]

Huojin wrote...

Would the compromise be enough to satisfy the anti-gay crowd bioware seems to want to sell their game to though...

The real question is: should BioWare be pandering to homophobes, racists, anti-Semites etc?
Besides, unless the gay option involves your PC being raped by the NPC, there's no valid reason for any of them to run crying to mummy.

They shouldn't. But apparently they've done some market research and decided they'd make more money by doing so.

[Huojin]

http://www.gamecriti...uality-in-space



^

I know you're agreeing with me, but that's still a pretty coherent & amusing read.



Fable 2 sold well. Fable 3 is on the way. I remeber quite graphic sex noises between my male Sparrow and his _husband_ ... noises that made me cringe and blush far more than anything I've seen in DAO or ME...

[Tirigon]

Em23 wrote...

Huojin wrote...

Would the compromise be enough to satisfy the anti-gay crowd bioware seems to want to sell their game to though...

The real question is: should BioWare be pandering to homophobes, racists, anti-Semites etc?
Besides, unless the gay option involves your PC being raped by the NPC, there's no valid reason for any of them to run crying to mummy.

They shouldn't. But apparently they've done some market research and decided they'd make more money by doing so.

This.

That´s the problem of capitalism. The guys who spend more money rule

[KalosCast]

http://www.escapistm...Wrong-With-That



Interesting read for those of you interested in such things.

[Huojin]

Tirigon wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Huojin wrote...

Would the compromise be enough to satisfy the anti-gay crowd bioware seems to want to sell their game to though...

The real question is: should BioWare be pandering to homophobes, racists, anti-Semites etc?
Besides, unless the gay option involves your PC being raped by the NPC, there's no valid reason for any of them to run crying to mummy.

They shouldn't. But apparently they've done some market research and decided they'd make more money by doing so.

This.

That´s the problem of capitalism. The guys who spend more money rule

Except that apparently homosexual, childfree couples/people will have the most disposable income and therefore it should certainly be a market you should tap into.  And it's also not just a homosexual market that wants it AND it doesn't HAVE to be part of your gameplay. 

So their marketing research is stupid.

Because videogames need to innovate through new
mechanics and narratives, to incorporate new voices and perspectives -
because we need to evolve past the same male power fantasies, those
same damn games with big-muscled, half-naked men shooting their big
thick ... railguns ... all over each other's faces.

I was going to agree but the last part confused me. Do I want that? I don't know

[AlanC9]

Adriano87 wrote...
I can have sex with every girl I want, but I don't do that because of restraint and strong mind

Every girl? Yeah, right.

[Tirigon]

Huojin wrote...

Except that apparently homosexual, childfree couples/people will have the most disposable income and therefore it should certainly be a market you should tap into.  And it's also not just a homosexual market that wants it AND it doesn't HAVE to be part of your gameplay. 

Well it seems that, unfortunately, the people who think  like us spend less money than the homophobes.

[AlanC9]

Huojin wrote...
Except that apparently homosexual, childfree couples/people will have the most disposable income and therefore it should certainly be a market you should tap into.  And it's also not just a homosexual market that wants it AND it doesn't HAVE to be part of your gameplay.  

So their marketing research is stupid.

I'm always a little uncomfortable when someone who doesn't have any actual knowledge says that some expert's judgment is "stupid." The ME demographic seems to include a fair number of teenage boys, who tend to be awfully insecure about sexuality. Maybe Bio's right that gay male content would hurt the game.

The weird thing is that it looks like Bio keeps starting to develop the content and then pulls back before release.

[Ryzaki]

AlanC9 wrote...

Huojin wrote...
Except that apparently homosexual, childfree couples/people will have the most disposable income and therefore it should certainly be a market you should tap into.  And it's also not just a homosexual market that wants it AND it doesn't HAVE to be part of your gameplay.  

So their marketing research is stupid.

I'm always a little uncomfortable when someone who doesn't have any actual knowledge says that some expert's judgment is "stupid." The ME demographic seems to include a fair number of teenage boys, who tend to be awfully insecure about sexuality. Maybe Bio's right that gay male content would hurt the game.

The weird thing is that it looks like Bio keeps starting to develop the content and then pulls back before release.

Oh well. I guess the gaming market is going to go the way of the Hollywood market. Overly priced and ridculous expensive blockbusters aimed at teenage males instead of females. The majority will follow along.

At least we'll probably have artisits willing to broaded the genre by not catering to that group this game just happens not to be one of them.

Its a loss but its not a huge loss. Or maybe I've just stopped caring.

Back to JRPGs for me.

[Tirigon]

AlanC9 wrote...

The weird thing is that it looks like Bio keeps starting to develop the content and then pulls back before release.

It is actually quite sad. I just wonder why they do it. I mean, if it was because of the Media they wouldn´t have started with it in the first time, don´t you think?

[AlanC9]

Yep. It sounds like there's something really weird going on in the decision-making process there. Which I don't understand too well in the first place, actually.



@ Ryzaki: don't be that pessimistic. DA doesn't have any problems; we also don't get the sort of jackass you see over here. I think it's just a shooter-fan thing.