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[zakat]

ya know, i probably wouldnt do it, but they should, cause, ya know, tell the story of Mass Effect how you want it...and i have a friend that just so happenes to be gay that plays this and he complains every now and then of the lack of same sex LI.

[sw33ts]

Syledir wrote...
No, I wouldn't be angry. I can tell you why. First of all, you like to compare this problem with racism, yes? Not a bad example. Let me ask you how long it took until racism was not an issue anymore in, let's say, the USA? It's still not over. There is still too much racism. But that doesn't mean it didn't get better. One step after another we come closer to "I have a dream." It's the same with homosexuality. We can't demand a final solution with no compromises all of a sudden. I believed that we were past such prejudices, but alas we are not. This is not the time for a gay pride parade. This is a chance to show our good will. If BioWare deems the "toggle" to be necessary than that will be a lot better than the alternative: NOTHING. That would make me angry. The fact that we got a chance but we couldn't see past our pride and ****ed up.

Uhm.  You wouldn't be angry?  U'd be fine with passive racism.  Okay.  To each their own.

And this kinda has nothing to do with the topic at hand so I'll try and keep it short.  I never demanded anything.  I only said I'm not for the toggle thing and I explained why.  I said I was for the colored text...and again I stated why.  Yes racism is still a problem in America today but it certainly didn't hide under the covers because blacks decided to accept white america's passive racism.  They fought against it.  MLK didn't say I have a dream one day all the little blalk girls duck and cover when Mrs. Daisy walks by so that white america doesn't have to see them.

No, I don't want to nitpick the game to oblivion. I would be quite content with the coloured text alone. But sometimes compromises have to be made. One can always continue the FIGHT FOR LOVE in future games from BioWare and make it more equal the next time. Do I want equality now? YES! Can I have it? Maybe.

That comment wasn't meant for you.  It was a general statement.  A toggle due to same-sex has never been done nor has it ever been done for color.  There's a reason why...and it's because it's offensive.

I don't have a problem with people who prefer black people over white people aslong as it doesn't interfere your work and dignity. If someone says I prefer black women and I don't have a single white friend. No problem. Your choice, your preference. If someone says I can't accept my white co-worker because of his skin colour and in my spare time I humilate white people whenever I can. That is a problem. And that I cannot accept.

If someone says to me I don't hang out with gay people because they're ewwy or any other stupid reason...I'd still say...you need to reevaluate your feelings lol.  This toggle thing isn't about PREFERENCE it's about completely removing gay content from the game because someone is "uncomfortable" with the gays.  And if someone again told me I prefer blacks to whites or visa versa and get offended when someone of the opposite race hits on me...again I'd say you need to revaluate your feelings...and probably add I'm surprised you get hit on at all.  lol.

Preference is fine...but to become offended if you even see it or experience is the problem.  This is my point. 

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Its like certain "adults" don't realize that. <_<

I prefer the term "juvenescentally challenged".

I thought the term was old foggie.

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Its like certain "adults" don't realize that. <_<

I prefer the term "juvenescentally challenged".

I thought the term was old foggie.

You say to-MAY-to, I say to-MAH-to...

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Its like certain "adults" don't realize that. <_<

I prefer the term "juvenescentally challenged".

I thought the term was old foggie.

You say to-MAY-to, I say to-MAH-to...

See that's totally an old foggie saying.

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Its like certain "adults" don't realize that. <_<

I prefer the term "juvenescentally challenged".

I thought the term was old foggie.

You say to-MAY-to, I say to-MAH-to...

See that's totally an old foggie saying.

Just because I remember Queen Elizabeth's coronation. "Good Queen Bess" they called her...

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just because I remember Queen Elizabeth's coronation. "Good Queen Bess" they called her...

I'm still wishing ME would come for the PS3 though.

/sniffles

[Syledir]

Wittand25 wrote...

Syledir wrote...
It wouldn't be an increase of work. Look at youtube. There are enough people who uploaded vids with for example Male Shepard and Kaidan romance content. Look at the first page of this thread. Every NPC of the first and second game could have a same sex romance. I doubt that it took them very long to change the game settings like that. So BioWare could do it, too.

Now people get offended if the standard setting is straight? Get people offended because the standard seeting is white skin colour instead of black skin colour too? If that is such a huge issue let BioWare switch the standard setting to bisexual. But, honestly, we want same sex romance in Mass Effect. And if the standard setting or the default setting is heterosexuall, we can certainly live with that. Can't we?

The toggle would be unnecessary extra work. No other computer game that contains s/s romances has such a feature. They all have the gay romances implented just like the straight romances, which shows that it is not needed.
And I have seen the romance scenes on youtube the only one working right now is Jacob, Thane is to small and Shepard licks his nose, and Garrus is to tall and causes clipping issues.

Yes, but I believe these people were no software developers. And they still achieved an acceptable outcome. BioWare could fine tune it, if you ask me.

[Syledir]

sw33ts wrote...

Syledir wrote...
No, I wouldn't be angry. I can tell you why. First of all, you like to compare this problem with racism, yes? Not a bad example. Let me ask you how long it took until racism was not an issue anymore in, let's say, the USA? It's still not over. There is still too much racism. But that doesn't mean it didn't get better. One step after another we come closer to "I have a dream." It's the same with homosexuality. We can't demand a final solution with no compromises all of a sudden. I believed that we were past such prejudices, but alas we are not. This is not the time for a gay pride parade. This is a chance to show our good will. If BioWare deems the "toggle" to be necessary than that will be a lot better than the alternative: NOTHING. That would make me angry. The fact that we got a chance but we couldn't see past our pride and ****ed up.

Uhm.  You wouldn't be angry?  U'd be fine with passive racism.  Okay.  To each their own.

And this kinda has nothing to do with the topic at hand so I'll try and keep it short.  I never demanded anything.  I only said I'm not for the toggle thing and I explained why.  I said I was for the colored text...and again I stated why.  Yes racism is still a problem in America today but it certainly didn't hide under the covers because blacks decided to accept white america's passive racism.  They fought against it.  MLK didn't say I have a dream one day all the little blalk girls duck and cover when Mrs. Daisy walks by so that white america doesn't have to see them.

No, I don't want to nitpick the game to oblivion. I would be quite content with the coloured text alone. But sometimes compromises have to be made. One can always continue the FIGHT FOR LOVE in future games from BioWare and make it more equal the next time. Do I want equality now? YES! Can I have it? Maybe.

That comment wasn't meant for you.  It was a general statement.  A toggle due to same-sex has never been done nor has it ever been done for color.  There's a reason why...and it's because it's offensive.

I don't have a problem with people who prefer black people over white people aslong as it doesn't interfere your work and dignity. If someone says I prefer black women and I don't have a single white friend. No problem. Your choice, your preference. If someone says I can't accept my white co-worker because of his skin colour and in my spare time I humilate white people whenever I can. That is a problem. And that I cannot accept.

If someone says to me I don't hang out with gay people because they're ewwy or any other stupid reason...I'd still say...you need to reevaluate your feelings lol.  This toggle thing isn't about PREFERENCE it's about completely removing gay content from the game because someone is "uncomfortable" with the gays.  And if someone again told me I prefer blacks to whites or visa versa and get offended when someone of the opposite race hits on me...again I'd say you need to revaluate your feelings...and probably add I'm surprised you get hit on at all.  lol.

Preference is fine...but to become offended if you even see it or experience is the problem.  This is my point. 

Alright, I apologize. It must be due to my bad english, that I always say something I did not mean. I'll try to be specific. This not an attack towards you, so here goes...
I agree withe Siasonea, the term "toggle" seems to rub everyone the wrong way. I said I wouldn't use it anymore. On comment later it is back again. Scary.
I thought about something like a "sexual preference check" on the character creator screen. I imagined, that if every romanceable NPC would be bisexuall the would react according to your sexual preference. Example: Male Shepard, homosexuall => only Jacob, Thane and Garrus are available. Male Shepard, heterosexuall => only Miranda, Jack and Tali are available. Male Shepard, bisexuall => every NPC is available. The same procedure, if your Shepard is female. I thought it would be a great compromise because everyone: Men, women, heteros, homos and bis would have to pick their sexual preference.
I am aware that in reality it doesn't work that way. But this is a game not reality. Do you like Star Trek? I was reminded of a DS9 episode where the hole crew had to solve a case in Las Vegas during the 60's in the holodeck (The holodeck is an almost perfect real life simulator). Captain Sisko didn't want to participate because during that era black people were not permitted in such an establishment. His girlfriend argued with him that the holodeck is not real life but a version of what could have been. A place where your dreams could become reality. He gave it a try and in the end he even sang in front of an audience (But I have to say: The singing was horrible). A Phantasie were black and white people in Las Vegas during the 60's were sitting together and not having a problem with that.
The same goes the other way around, too. Bad example: Gay p0rn. Not much of a story there, I give you that. And I haven't seen so many of them, but my point is. There were no women, I mean none, extinct. And heterosexuall men, must have moved to another planet. And there is no problem with that, because it is not reality. It's just a phantasie; imagination.
If I want reality, I don't need video games. Reality I have every day. But video games like the ones from BioWare give us the possibility to create experiences unlike real life. And I wouldn't want to take that from anyone. Everyone should be able enjoy the game as much as possible.

As for need to reevaluate ones feelings. Well, you can't make them, just because you want to. No matter how stupid, prejudiced or childish it might seem to you. You wouldn't reevaluate your feelings only because someone tells you to. If someone feels disgusted of gays. Argumentation won't help because it is not a problem of logic. A good friend of mine is so gay he is pissing rainbows. His problem is women give him the urge to vomit. At least thats what he tells me. He can't help it. But he tries to be as friendly and respectfull as possible. On the Kinsey scale he is a 6, end of story. He can't change it and become less gay then he is right now. And given the opportunity, I am pretty sure, he would make his Shepard gay so that only men could respond to him in a romantic way. I wouldn't have a problem with that. It would be his version of game. And I am not going to tell him to reevaluate his feelings. So what are we going to do with the guy who is disgusted with gays but wants to play Mass Effect as much you. Sooner or later we have to accept that everyone else won't simply disappear. For good or for worse we have to live with each other.

The coloured text IS a good solution. I just want to be able to have a Plan B, if the coloured text turns out to be unacceptable to BioWare (for reasons we don't know). The "toggle" is obviously not a good idea. Do you agree with my "sexual preference check" or is that equally bad.

[sw33ts]

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

Modifié par sw33ts, 07 mai 2010 - 02:37 .

[Siansonea]

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

Not all of us have the luxury of turning our backs on everyone who lacks a sufficiently enlightened viewpoint. I'm originally from Texas, if I divorced myself from everyone in my family who had racist, homophobic or other non-PC tendencies then my family reunions would consist solely of myself and my autistic niece. Not everyone comes wrapped in a shiny pretty liberal package. Rather than dismiss these people as backward idiots, it might be helpful to get to know them first, and calmly nudge them toward a more inclusive world view.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 07 mai 2010 - 02:46 .

[SerenCousland]

I think it would at least be nice to have the option for same sex romances, Im gay, but i've never really seen the big deal about not having same sex romances in games, I think what Bioware did with Dragon age though, where it gave you the option to be, heterosexual, Homosexual or Bi-sexual is quite revolutionary in the gaming world, not only does it open up the gaming world for homosexuals or bi-sexuals who feel they have been neglected by the gaming industry, I mean there have been a few gays in games before but I think games like Dragon age where it introduces this could be a big step for the gay gaming community, an opportunity for them to actually immerse themselves in the game. As i've said before though I am gay and have never really saw much of an issue with not having same sex romances in a game although now having an option does pave the way forward for more games to follow, im not saying all games should but surely it wouldn't be such a terrible thing, I mean if you don't want a gay or lesbian character then that's your choice but for those who do or might want it, the option would be there.

[Syledir]

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

If you don't mind me asking, but why doesn't every other homosexuall person on this planet change their mind? Certainly they would have easier lifes without so much prejudice if they just switch a button and tadda problem solved. We wouldn't even need same sex content for Mass Effect 2 anymore.
I wouldn't even try to change my mind, because I shouldn't have to. Not in that regard.
By the way, when I said women give him the urge to vomit I didn't mean that 100 times every day he looks like that =>. I meant women in a sexual way. He works in a restaurant. He has contact with females the whole day. But as soon as a woman tries to invade his personal space or shove her breasts in his face, than,,, yeah...

[sw33ts]

Siansonea II wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

Not all of us have the luxury of turning our backs on everyone who lacks a sufficiently enlightened viewpoint. I'm originally from Texas, if I divorced myself from everyone in my family who had racist, homophobic or other non-PC tendencies then my family reunions would consist solely of myself and my autistic niece. Not everyone comes wrapped in a shiny pretty liberal package. Rather than dismiss these people as backward idiots, it might be helpful to get to know them first, and calmly nudge them toward a more inclusive world view.

Lol.  I'm not running around beheading those who don't agree.  I'm asking them to reevaluate their feelings.  I don't know where you got off thinking that I dismiss these people as backward idiots.  I called his friend an idiot...which yes I think he is.  That doesn't mean that I dismiss them all as "backward idiots."  I for one have a very redneck tunnel view friend who at one point viewed blacks and lesbians as disgusting.  Then we met and got to know each other and I told her that she's dumb for thinking all blacks and lesbians are the same...and now we're best friends.

If someone is being an idiot...I will call them out on it.  I'm sorry that you have a racist family that's not very PC...but I was raised in a pretty racist family myself.  And yes I call them idiots for doing it.  I'm their favorite. xD

What has this world come to where we have to politely call people idiots...when they "politely" call you a ****?

O_o

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

Not all of us have the luxury of turning our backs on everyone who lacks a sufficiently enlightened viewpoint. I'm originally from Texas, if I divorced myself from everyone in my family who had racist, homophobic or other non-PC tendencies then my family reunions would consist solely of myself and my autistic niece. Not everyone comes wrapped in a shiny pretty liberal package. Rather than dismiss these people as backward idiots, it might be helpful to get to know them first, and calmly nudge them toward a more inclusive world view.

You know that whole shiny pretty liberal package could be taken quite easily the wrong way. <_< My family is pretty damn conservative and I have no problems calling them out on their s***. Calmly nudge my...well behind. Some people need to have things slammed over and over into their skulls until they get it.

I'm not going to smile and nod when people tell me that I'm lesser than them. I'm going to tell them to go to hell.

Edit: That said everyone has different ways of doing things but please don't pretend yours is better than anyone elses.

Then again everything has its place. Wouldn't do to get in a screaming match about s/s romances. :innocent:


Though other than a toggle and colored text or DLC what else could work.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mai 2010 - 03:18 .

[Siansonea]

sw33ts wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

Not all of us have the luxury of turning our backs on everyone who lacks a sufficiently enlightened viewpoint. I'm originally from Texas, if I divorced myself from everyone in my family who had racist, homophobic or other non-PC tendencies then my family reunions would consist solely of myself and my autistic niece. Not everyone comes wrapped in a shiny pretty liberal package. Rather than dismiss these people as backward idiots, it might be helpful to get to know them first, and calmly nudge them toward a more inclusive world view.

Lol.  I'm not running around beheading those who don't agree.  I'm asking them to reevaluate their feelings.  I don't know where you got off thinking that I dismiss these people as backward idiots.  I called his friend an idiot...which yes I think he is.  That doesn't mean that I dismiss them all as "backward idiots."  I for one have a very redneck tunnel view friend who at one point viewed blacks and lesbians as disgusting.  Then we met and got to know each other and I told her that she's dumb for thinking all blacks and lesbians are the same...and now we're best friends.

If someone is being an idiot...I will call them out on it.  I'm sorry that you have a racist family that's not very PC...but I was raised in a pretty racist family myself.  And yes I call them idiots for doing it.  I'm their favorite. xD

What has this world come to where we have to politely call people idiots...when they "politely" call you a ****?

O_o

It's called taking the high road. Luckily, it's completely optional.

[sw33ts]

Syledir wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

If you don't mind me asking, but why doesn't every other homosexuall person on this planet change their mind? Certainly they would have easier lifes without so much prejudice if they just switch a button and tadda problem solved. We wouldn't even need same sex content for Mass Effect 2 anymore.
I wouldn't even try to change my mind, because I shouldn't have to. Not in that regard.
By the way, when I said women give him the urge to vomit I didn't mean that 100 times every day he looks like that =>. I meant women in a sexual way. He works in a restaurant. He has contact with females the whole day. But as soon as a woman tries to invade his personal space or shove her breasts in his face, than,,, yeah...

Sexually.  I can understand.  I thought you meant in general.

Change their mind on what?  Their sexuality?  Because it's more so ingrained in you...at least that's how I look at it.  But it's obvious that people are not BORN racist or bigots.  They learn to be that way or otherwise this world would not be as it is today.

It's not like one day you wake up and you say omg I've decided I want to be gay and then the next day decide eh...I don't want to be gay anymore.  Racism on the otherhand...you can grow up with it...as I did...and then decide...yeaaah...this reasoning is dumb.

[sw33ts]

Siansonea II wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

Not all of us have the luxury of turning our backs on everyone who lacks a sufficiently enlightened viewpoint. I'm originally from Texas, if I divorced myself from everyone in my family who had racist, homophobic or other non-PC tendencies then my family reunions would consist solely of myself and my autistic niece. Not everyone comes wrapped in a shiny pretty liberal package. Rather than dismiss these people as backward idiots, it might be helpful to get to know them first, and calmly nudge them toward a more inclusive world view.

Lol.  I'm not running around beheading those who don't agree.  I'm asking them to reevaluate their feelings.  I don't know where you got off thinking that I dismiss these people as backward idiots.  I called his friend an idiot...which yes I think he is.  That doesn't mean that I dismiss them all as "backward idiots."  I for one have a very redneck tunnel view friend who at one point viewed blacks and lesbians as disgusting.  Then we met and got to know each other and I told her that she's dumb for thinking all blacks and lesbians are the same...and now we're best friends.

If someone is being an idiot...I will call them out on it.  I'm sorry that you have a racist family that's not very PC...but I was raised in a pretty racist family myself.  And yes I call them idiots for doing it.  I'm their favorite. xD

What has this world come to where we have to politely call people idiots...when they "politely" call you a ****?

O_o

It's called taking the high road. Luckily, it's completely optional.

I see what you did thar.  You took the high road. <_<

And no I don't believe that's called taking the high road.  I believe it's called I don't want to start-anything-so-I'll-just-sit-here-and-take-it.  At least to ME that's what it seems like.

You don't HAVE to go to your reunions.  You choose to...for whatever reason..or maybe you're forced. But just because they're your family doesn't mean they're right.

Modifié par sw33ts, 07 mai 2010 - 03:18 .

[Syledir]

sw33ts wrote...

Syledir wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

If you don't mind me asking, but why doesn't every other homosexuall person on this planet change their mind? Certainly they would have easier lifes without so much prejudice if they just switch a button and tadda problem solved. We wouldn't even need same sex content for Mass Effect 2 anymore.
I wouldn't even try to change my mind, because I shouldn't have to. Not in that regard.
By the way, when I said women give him the urge to vomit I didn't mean that 100 times every day he looks like that =>. I meant women in a sexual way. He works in a restaurant. He has contact with females the whole day. But as soon as a woman tries to invade his personal space or shove her breasts in his face, than,,, yeah...

Sexually.  I can understand.  I thought you meant in general.

Change their mind on what?  Their sexuality?  Because it's more so ingrained in you...at least that's how I look at it.  But it's obvious that people are not BORN racist or bigots.  They learn to be that way or otherwise this world would not be as it is today.

It's not like one day you wake up and you say omg I've decided I want to be gay and then the next day decide eh...I don't want to be gay anymore.  Racism on the otherhand...you can grow up with it...as I did...and then decide...yeaaah...this reasoning is dumb.

I believe we finally see eye to eye about it. We have even come full circle. That's why I believe a "sexual preference check" should be there, but a "race preference check" should not. See, I even didn't say the word "toggle". I know how much you like it.

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[sw33ts]

O_o I mean sexually for your friend.



As for the "toggle" lol. It still seems like my suggestion in the 3rd post...O_o



Toggle is quite a fun word to say. lol.

[Siansonea]

sw33ts wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

All I have to say about your friend is he's an idiot.  Everyone can change if they tried.  If women make him want to vomit...I'm sorry but he needs to grow up and figure out what made him that way especially since it was a woman he put him in this world.  Feelings are not set in stone...they change.  Mine have changed continuously.

And yes we do have to live with each other...so we should try to understand each other...

/afternoon special
...and attempt to not throw up at the sight of the opposite sex.

I don't mind the thing I suggested on the first post...which I believe is similar to what you're suggesting...yes?  It's in the 3rd post 3rd suggestion.

Not all of us have the luxury of turning our backs on everyone who lacks a sufficiently enlightened viewpoint. I'm originally from Texas, if I divorced myself from everyone in my family who had racist, homophobic or other non-PC tendencies then my family reunions would consist solely of myself and my autistic niece. Not everyone comes wrapped in a shiny pretty liberal package. Rather than dismiss these people as backward idiots, it might be helpful to get to know them first, and calmly nudge them toward a more inclusive world view.

Lol.  I'm not running around beheading those who don't agree.  I'm asking them to reevaluate their feelings.  I don't know where you got off thinking that I dismiss these people as backward idiots.  I called his friend an idiot...which yes I think he is.  That doesn't mean that I dismiss them all as "backward idiots."  I for one have a very redneck tunnel view friend who at one point viewed blacks and lesbians as disgusting.  Then we met and got to know each other and I told her that she's dumb for thinking all blacks and lesbians are the same...and now we're best friends.

If someone is being an idiot...I will call them out on it.  I'm sorry that you have a racist family that's not very PC...but I was raised in a pretty racist family myself.  And yes I call them idiots for doing it.  I'm their favorite. xD

What has this world come to where we have to politely call people idiots...when they "politely" call you a ****?

O_o

It's called taking the high road. Luckily, it's completely optional.

I see what you did thar.  You took the high road. <_<

And no I don't believe that's called taking the high road.  I believe it's called I don't want to start-anything-so-I'll-just-sit-here-and-take-it.  At least to ME that's what it seems like.

You don't HAVE to go to your reunions.  You choose to...for whatever reason..or maybe you're forced. But just because they're your family doesn't mean they're right.

Indeed, it is a choice. I choose not to condemn people because they are self-limiting, I choose not to self-righteously rebuke everyone who disagrees with me. I choose compassion over 'being right'. I choose a longer, harder road of helping my family actually SEE the flaw in their attitudes rather than just dumping them by the curb like an old sofa. I choose to care about people who aren't perfect, and who may never be.

But you can go toe-to-toe with all the ignorant people out there if you want. See how many hearts and minds your approach reaches. I just don't have the energy for that anymore.

[Syledir]

sw33ts wrote...

O_o I mean sexually for your friend.

As for the "toggle" lol. It still seems like my suggestion in the 3rd post...O_o

Toggle is quite a fun word to say. lol.

I know, I mean sexually for my friend, too.
Did I say something out of line?

[Ryzaki]

You seem pretty self-righteous to me Siansonea II . Maybe in a different manner but self-righteousness is self-righteousness.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mai 2010 - 03:29 .

[sw33ts]

w/e mate.



We're going off-topic. I chose to PM you. You chose to ignore it and post it here. It seems you actually do care about being right and letting the "world" see it.

[sw33ts]

Syledir wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

O_o I mean sexually for your friend.

As for the "toggle" lol. It still seems like my suggestion in the 3rd post...O_o

Toggle is quite a fun word to say. lol.

I know, I mean sexually for my friend, too.
Did I say something out of line?

Lol.  I'm confused. too. uhm...uh

Toggle.