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[Onyx Jaguar]

did someone say self-righteousness?



*pops into thread*

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

You seem pretty self-righteous to me Siansonea II . Maybe in a different manner but self-righteousness is self-righteousness.

Do I? I can see how I can come off that way, I suppose. It's a fair criticism, I can take it.

Might this be a case of 'the truth hurts' though? I'm saying things that a lot of people don't want to hear. It's so easy to just write people off as evil, stupid, backward, fill-in-the-blank. it is much harder to actually get to know people and influence them in a subtler way. It's a lot harder to see that underneath some of those awful attitudes, there are actual people who might not want to be the way they are but don't know any other way to be.

There are so many opportunities to depersonalize people who disagree with us and just react emotionally based on our understandable indignation at their attitudes. But there are few opportunities to actually reach out to someone and help them see a new and better way of looking at things. I've had a number of people tell me that I've helped them do exactly that. I didn't do it by shouting at them.

[Syledir]

sw33ts wrote...

Syledir wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

O_o I mean sexually for your friend.

As for the "toggle" lol. It still seems like my suggestion in the 3rd post...O_o

Toggle is quite a fun word to say. lol.

I know, I mean sexually for my friend, too.
Did I say something out of line?

Lol.  I'm confused. too. uhm...uh

Toggle.

AFK
destroying my dictionary ... processing ... processing
found a better version
English - Toggle
Toggle - English

Toggle?

Alright, back to the original topic.

[Siansonea]

sw33ts wrote...

w/e mate.

We're going off-topic. I chose to PM you. You chose to ignore it and post it here. It seems you actually do care about being right and letting the "world" see it.

I just saw the PM, I didn't realize I had one. I responded.

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You seem pretty self-righteous to me Siansonea II . Maybe in a different manner but self-righteousness is self-righteousness.

Do I? I can see how I can come off that way, I suppose. It's a fair criticism, I can take it.

Might this be a case of 'the truth hurts' though? I'm saying things that a lot of people don't want to hear. It's so easy to just write people off as evil, stupid, backward, fill-in-the-blank. it is much harder to actually get to know people and influence them in a subtler way. It's a lot harder to see that underneath some of those awful attitudes, there are actual people who might not want to be the way they are but don't know any other way to be.

There is no 'truth hurts' as much as there is a "this is the way that worked for me and I assume because the other way didn't work for me it won't work for you either even if it has worked for other people" thing.

And FYI I tried the patient trying to get people to admit they might be wrong route. Didn't work for me. Does that mean somehow its uneffective because I didn't manage to use it to my advantage? 
That said screaming at people has worked for  me no matter how much you claim it doesn't.

Worked for several other groups as well.

*Granted said screaming usually disintergrates into a punch in the face, a nice brawl and some talking while licking our wounds*

There are so many opportunities to depersonalize people who disagree with us and just react emotionally based on our understandable indignation at their attitudes. But there are few opportunities to actually reach out to someone and help them see a new and better way of looking at things. I've had a number of people tell me that I've helped them do exactly that. I didn't do it by shouting at them.

But saying someone is beneath you by doing so is a bit much I'm afraid. Especially when you compare historically that the methods both have different ways of working.

And one of my best friends was made by us beating the s*** out of one another over a fight. The fist works just as well as words in some cases. Sometimes better.

Though we did talk while we were sitting in the principles office so maybe that was a case of both? All I know is we would have never talked in the first place without that fight.

Battlefield respect. Nothing like it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mai 2010 - 03:47 .

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You seem pretty self-righteous to me Siansonea II . Maybe in a different manner but self-righteousness is self-righteousness.

Do I? I can see how I can come off that way, I suppose. It's a fair criticism, I can take it.

Might this be a case of 'the truth hurts' though? I'm saying things that a lot of people don't want to hear. It's so easy to just write people off as evil, stupid, backward, fill-in-the-blank. it is much harder to actually get to know people and influence them in a subtler way. It's a lot harder to see that underneath some of those awful attitudes, there are actual people who might not want to be the way they are but don't know any other way to be.

There is no 'truth hurts' as much as there is a "this is the way that worked for me and I assume because the other way didn't work for me it won't work for you either even if it has worked for other people" thing.
That said screaming at people has worked for  me no matter how much you claim it doesn't.

Worked for several other groups as well.

There are so many opportunities to depersonalize people who disagree with us and just react emotionally based on our understandable indignation at their attitudes. But there are few opportunities to actually reach out to someone and help them see a new and better way of looking at things. I've had a number of people tell me that I've helped them do exactly that. I didn't do it by shouting at them.

But saying someone is beneath you by doing so is a bit much I'm afraid. Especially when you compare historically that the methods both have different ways of working.

And one of my best friends was made by us beating the s*** out of one another over a fight. The fist works just as well as words in some cases. Sometimes better.

Who said someone was beneath them? I think I missed something there.

[Ryzaki]

...high road? Its indirectly implied.

When one takes the high road its a indirect implication (to me anyways) that you're better than someone else because they take the "low road" or uncivilized, inferior, less successful route.


Or maybe I just read to much into things. /shrug

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mai 2010 - 03:50 .

[sw33ts]

Sooooooooooo...how bout that Liara. I wish Tali was open for my Shepard so I could leave Liara and her crazy mug ways.

[Ryzaki]

sw33ts wrote...

Sooooooooooo...how bout that Liara. I wish Tali was open for my Shepard so I could leave Liara and her crazy mug ways.

I totally read mug as nug and got a mental image of Liara snuggling with a nug.

Thanks for the somewhat disturbing mental image.

Anyways I just want either Kaidan or a new LI (I'm on the do not want Joker for a LI PERIOD) list again.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mai 2010 - 03:54 .

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

...high road? Its indirectly implied.

Well, I would appreciate it you would respond to what I actually say rather than to what you believe I am implying. If you think I'm implying something, just ask and I will provide clarification.

And to clarify, I do not think that 'high road' implies a superior/"beneath me" attitude, it is a widely accepted term that means to put aside the natural response to approach a confrontation emotionally and aggressively, and instead to resist that impulse and approach the problem calmly and reasonably. All parties are capable of doing this, it is not an inherent trait. I do not always take the high road myself. I've been rather acidic in my commentary on this very thread.

[Aversinia]

I love how even in the gamer world these topics are being discussed. I have nothing to input other than I think its positive we're even talking about it.

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...high road? Its indirectly implied.

Well, I would appreciate it you would respond to what I actually say rather than to what you believe I am implying. If you think I'm implying something, just ask and I will provide clarification.

And to clarify, I do not think that 'high road' implies a superior/"beneath me" attitude, it is a widely accepted term that means to put aside the natural response to approach a confrontation emotionally and aggressively, and instead to resist that impulse and approach the problem calmly and reasonably. All parties are capable of doing this, it is not an inherent trait. I do not always take the high road myself. I've been rather acidic in my commentary on this very thread.

Like I said I'm might have been seeing things that weren't there. But between that and the whole remarks about alienating people and what not that's the interpretation you left me with.

And frankly to me what someone thinks you're implying is just as important as what you're saying during a discussion. At least that's what my proffessors told me in class.

[Ryzaki]

GAH! Double post.

Anyways: Do want a new male LI for ME3.

Though which would people prefer a human or alien? I'd prefer a human personally. The aliens in this game with the exception for the Asari (who are pretty much blue human women) they don't appeal to me at all.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mai 2010 - 03:59 .

[sw33ts]

Ryzaki wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Sooooooooooo...how bout that Liara. I wish Tali was open for my Shepard so I could leave Liara and her crazy mug ways.

I totally read mug as nug and got a mental image of Liara snuggling with a nug.

Thanks for the somewhat disturbing mental image.

Anyways I just want either Kaidan or a new LI (I'm on the do not want Joker for a LI PERIOD) list again.

Lol.  I wouldn't mind joker.  He's funny.  Better than teh priiiize.  And liara snuggling with a nug would be cuuuuuuuuuuuute. 

Hmmm...the two bisexual women in Bioware's games have pretty similar names...hmm..interesting...

[Ryzaki]

sw33ts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Sooooooooooo...how bout that Liara. I wish Tali was open for my Shepard so I could leave Liara and her crazy mug ways.

I totally read mug as nug and got a mental image of Liara snuggling with a nug.

Thanks for the somewhat disturbing mental image.

Anyways I just want either Kaidan or a new LI (I'm on the do not want Joker for a LI PERIOD) list again.

Lol.  I wouldn't mind joker.  He's funny.  Better than teh priiiize.  And liara snuggling with a nug would be cuuuuuuuuuuuute. 

Hmmm...the two bisexual women in Bioware's games have pretty similar names...hmm..interesting...

NOOOOOOOO!

Joker is Shep's little BRO! DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT! 

Though many things are better than the priiize.

And yes nug snuggling is cute. <3

Silk Fox however sounds like neither.

Silk Fox, Leliana, Liara, Juhani
Sky and Zevran.

Aw. The F/F options has twice as many

[Erode_The_Soul]

Ryzaki wrote...

NOOOOOOOO!

Joker is Shep's little BRO! DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT! 

Hey, maybe in your game Joker is Sheps little bro, but in mine he sure ain't.
I sincerely worry for the fate of the universe if my Femshep doesn't get a chance to romance her pilot in the next installment 

[Time4Tiddy]

I've always been more of a fan of the Jade Empire style of male/male romance. For those who didn't play it, you would never see any m/m content if you flirted with the women at all. But if you never flirted with the women, Sky (the male LI) would eventually ask you why you didn't flirt with either of the two hot women and you could tell him you weren't really into women, at which point his romance would begin. The f/f stuff was easy to start up in Jade Empire (and let's be real f/f has never really been the issue), but the m/m required a player who would purposefully not hit on the female companions, preventing the majority of straight gamers from ever even having the slightest awkward "gay" conversation with the male LI.

[sw33ts]

Ryzaki wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Sooooooooooo...how bout that Liara. I wish Tali was open for my Shepard so I could leave Liara and her crazy mug ways.

I totally read mug as nug and got a mental image of Liara snuggling with a nug.

Thanks for the somewhat disturbing mental image.

Anyways I just want either Kaidan or a new LI (I'm on the do not want Joker for a LI PERIOD) list again.

Lol.  I wouldn't mind joker.  He's funny.  Better than teh priiiize.  And liara snuggling with a nug would be cuuuuuuuuuuuute. 

Hmmm...the two bisexual women in Bioware's games have pretty similar names...hmm..interesting...

NOOOOOOOO!

Joker is Shep's little BRO! DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT! 

Though many things are better than the priiize.

And yes nug snuggling is cute. <3

Silk Fox however sounds like neither.

Silk Fox, Leliana, Liara, Juhani
Sky and Zevran.

Aw. The F/F options has twice as many

Silk Fox real name was something something lily/Sun LIAN....

And pssh...I don't see nothing wrooooooooong with a little...uhm...joker fun??

I don't know after seeing him with the ending scene where we all die I was like awww...po thang.

[Ryzaki]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

NOOOOOOOO!

Joker is Shep's little BRO! DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT! 

Hey, maybe in your game Joker is Sheps little bro, but in mine he sure ain't.
I sincerely worry for the fate of the universe if my Femshep doesn't get a chance to romance her pilot in the next installment 

Well my MShep is going to be falcon punching someone if Joker gives some ridculous ambievent dialogue and shuts down because Shep's not romancing him.

Joker: "What do you want commander? I'm working on something." 

Me: ...

*watches youtube video of him giving FemShep different dialogue*

Me: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mai 2010 - 04:22 .

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...high road? Its indirectly implied.

Well, I would appreciate it you would respond to what I actually say rather than to what you believe I am implying. If you think I'm implying something, just ask and I will provide clarification.

And to clarify, I do not think that 'high road' implies a superior/"beneath me" attitude, it is a widely accepted term that means to put aside the natural response to approach a confrontation emotionally and aggressively, and instead to resist that impulse and approach the problem calmly and reasonably. All parties are capable of doing this, it is not an inherent trait. I do not always take the high road myself. I've been rather acidic in my commentary on this very thread.

Like I said I'm might have been seeing things that weren't there. But between that and the whole remarks about alienating people and what not that's the interpretation you left me with.

And frankly to me what someone thinks you're implying is just as important as what you're saying during a discussion. At least that's what my proffessors told me in class.

And here is where we run into the essential flaw in human communication. Whenever two people are having one conversation, there are in reality two conversation. One conversation is what we believe we are saying and believe the other is saying, the other conversation is what the other believes we are saying, and what they believe they are saying. Communication is imperfect, which is why it is usually best NOT to assume intent or motive when evaluating other people's communication, and respond primarily to what they are saying. This is especially true in a written communication format like these threads.

For example, earlier in this thread Sweets assumed I was ignoring her PM, when in fact I simply hadn't seen it yet. Instead of asking if I had seen it, she stated that I was ignoring it deliberately and doing so in order to make myself appear as though I was right, but this was a misunderstanding. I'm not trying to call her out or anything, but it's just a recent example of the phenomenon that we've all been guilty of it at one time or another. I know I have to actively try to prevent myself from jumping to conclusions about people's motives and focus primarily on what they are explicitly saying rather than what I think they might be implying. I don't always succeed myself.

[Ryzaki]

sw33ts wrote...

Silk Fox real name was something something lily/Sun LIAN....

And pssh...I don't see nothing wrooooooooong with a little...uhm...joker fun??

I don't know after seeing him with the ending scene where we all die I was like awww...po thang.

Oh yeah. LOL *rolls*

Oh great now you've made me want to play Jade Empire again!

Nothing...except he's practically Shep's BFF/little adopted brother.

Aw yeah I felt bad for him. Such a kicked puppy look. (Even if he seemed more concerned about losing the Normandy than Shepard. <_<)

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...
And here is where we run into the essential flaw in human communication. Whenever two people are having one conversation, there are in reality two conversation. One conversation is what we believe we are saying and believe the other is saying, the other conversation is what the other believes we are saying, and what they believe they are saying. Communication is imperfect, which is why it is usually best NOT to assume intent or motive when evaluating other people's communication, and respond primarily to what they are saying. This is especially true in a written communication format like these threads.

For example, earlier in this thread Sweets assumed I was ignoring her PM, when in fact I simply hadn't seen it yet. Instead of asking if I had seen it, she stated that I was ignoring it deliberately and doing so in order to make myself appear as though I was right, but this was a misunderstanding. I'm not trying to call her out or anything, but it's just a recent example of the phenomenon that we've all been guilty of it at one time or another. I know I have to actively try to prevent myself from jumping to conclusions about people's motives and focus primarily on what they are explicitly saying rather than what I think they might be implying. I don't always succeed myself.

However everyone knows communication is more than just *what* someone says. 

That said I'll try not to jump the gun again. Don't like it too much when it happens to me.

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
And here is where we run into the essential flaw in human communication. Whenever two people are having one conversation, there are in reality two conversation. One conversation is what we believe we are saying and believe the other is saying, the other conversation is what the other believes we are saying, and what they believe they are saying. Communication is imperfect, which is why it is usually best NOT to assume intent or motive when evaluating other people's communication, and respond primarily to what they are saying. This is especially true in a written communication format like these threads.

For example, earlier in this thread Sweets assumed I was ignoring her PM, when in fact I simply hadn't seen it yet. Instead of asking if I had seen it, she stated that I was ignoring it deliberately and doing so in order to make myself appear as though I was right, but this was a misunderstanding. I'm not trying to call her out or anything, but it's just a recent example of the phenomenon that we've all been guilty of it at one time or another. I know I have to actively try to prevent myself from jumping to conclusions about people's motives and focus primarily on what they are explicitly saying rather than what I think they might be implying. I don't always succeed myself.

However everyone knows communication is more than just *what* someone says. 

That said I'll try not to jump the gun again. Don't like it too much when it happens to me.

And I'll try not come off as a creaky old woman with a superiority complex. Wish me luck!

[Ryzaki]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Ryzaki
@Siansonea II

I got dibs on the black kitten. :innocent:

Also: Awwww what an adorable pic. That's the best part of having two kittens watching them be all cute with one another.

Though...are we still pro Hendel for a M/M LI?