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[Ziggy]

Syledir wrote...

But, I mean honestly, we don't even know how BioWare will AT LEAST take notice us?

EA or Bioware would have a market research department and they would look at heaps of stuff, including these forums, to come up with data on what would sell.

These forums will never change anything on their own, but they are part of a bigger picture. Probably a very small part but who knows.

[Syledir]

Em23 wrote...

Syledir wrote...
But, I mean honestly, we don't even know how BioWare will AT LEAST take notice us?

EA or Bioware would have a market research department and they would look at heaps of stuff, including these forums, to come up with data on what would sell.
These forums will never change anything on their own, but they are part of a bigger picture. Probably a very small part but who knows.

I've sendt you a message by the way.

Listen, I don't want you to think that I want this thread closed or that I try to pick a fight. So, I will let this rest for the time being.

[FireCabbage]

Personally, I thought it was terrible Bioware hasn't put same-sex romances in the Mass Effect games yet. Liara doesn't count because Asari are asexual. We need more Zevrans and Lelianas!

[Ziggy]

Syledir wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Syledir wrote...
But, I mean honestly, we don't even know how BioWare will AT LEAST take notice us?

EA or Bioware would have a market research department and they would look at heaps of stuff, including these forums, to come up with data on what would sell.
These forums will never change anything on their own, but they are part of a bigger picture. Probably a very small part but who knows.

I've sendt you a message by the way.
Listen, I don't want you to think that I want this thread closed or that I try to pick a fight. So, I will let this rest for the time being.

I'm not hung up on this idea or anything, that's just how it seems to me. Feel free to point out how i'm wrong and i'll happily change my mind. I really don't see a fight developing over this.

Replied to your msg.

[LiquidGrape]

Siansonea II wrote...

Uncanny valley? Are we discussing Samara's cleavage again?

The real question is when are we not discussing Samara's cleavage.

[The Uncanny]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Uncanny valley? Are we discussing Samara's cleavage again?

The real question is when are we not discussing Samara's cleavage.

QFT.



:O:blush::devil::devil:

Real? Fake? That is the burning question!

[LiquidGrape]

Yes...what truth lies partially hidden beneath those oppressive strips of fabric?



It's an enigmatic riddle. A puzzle wrapped up in a conundrum. A chinese box full of jubblies.

But you know, this is actually on-topic. Because it proves yet again there is no reasonable doubt as to what sex asari are.
I mean, honestly. I feel it's rather patronising of BioWare to imply that they have no discernable features usually attributed to females when they shove Samara at us.
Not that I complain, but the point stands strong.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 08 mai 2010 - 12:06 .

[ElitePinecone]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Yes...what truth lies partially hidden beneath those oppressive strips of fabric?

[Image]

It's an enigmatic riddle. A puzzle wrapped up in a conundrum. A chinese box full of jubblies.

But you know, this is actually on-topic. Because it proves yet again there is no reasonable doubt as to what sex asari are.
I mean, honestly. I feel it's rather patronising of BioWare to imply that they have no discernable features usually attributed to females when they shove Samara at us.
Not that I complain, but the point stands strong.

Interesting point. I suppose having 'blue female-y' aliens allows them to exaggerate certain features while claiming that it's perfectly natural asari physiology. Hence, uncanny boob valley.

And yes, they do certainly shove her.

[uzivatel]

The Uncanny wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

This topic got much better since my last visit. Keep up the good work.

[Tirigon]

The Uncanny wrote...
Umm... who else thinks Kelly would be more fondly thought of if it wasn't for that horrible 'easter egg' stuff?

Me.

I like her anyways. Actually more so than the other female LIs.

[Chill 0078]

Its all good with me but can we please move on to a new topic

[Tirigon]

Collider wrote...

I wasn't aware that Liara, Morinth, Samara, and Kelly didn't exist.

1) only females ----> talk about "hawd lesbians" (not that I´d disagree though....:wub:)

2) Don´t really count ---> most are asari, and Kelly doesn´t even count as LI. Morinth kills you, and Samara turns you down....

[Tirigon]

Chill 0078 wrote...

Its all good with me but can we please move on to a new topic

Just go to "Forum Home" and choose one.

[khevan]

As a straight male, I don't particularly want to see s/s romance scenes in my game, but I'm perfectly fine for the option to be there for those who want it. I just want it made clear when being friendly crosses over to the "romance" subplot.



As long as it's done right, I have no problem, and actually support the idea. By "done right" I mean, don't make any current character turn bi- or ******-sexual. Make two new romance options (one male, one female) that are homosexual, and at least one who is bi-sexual, to give the choice between at least two same-sex options. I honestly don't want more options than that, simply because the squad from ME1 and ME2 going into ME3 is already huge if they bring everyone back (which is doubtful, but they should bring alot of 'em back), and I don't want past characters being given less attention to because of new crew members.



But that's just my opinion. On that note, *tips hat* I bid adieu.

[Boombox]

I'm still kind of new to Mass Effect but to be honest I was kinda disappointed that there are no same sex romances.



I just want to say I completely support this thread and nice work putting this altogether!

[Cootie]

I don't really understand the whole "Don't make any of the current characters homosexual"-thing. I mean, the dialogue is still there.

The homosexuality is still in ME2, it's just that there's no sex. So, by that logic, overall sexual tension is nice, but if there was sex, it'd suddenly become unrealistic or ruin the immersion?

[Chill 0078]

Why can't we have samara

[khevan]

Cootie wrote...

I don't really understand the whole "Don't make any of the current characters homosexual"-thing. I mean, the dialogue is still there.
The homosexuality is still in ME2, it's just that there's no sex. So, by that logic, overall sexual tension is nice, but if there was sex, it'd suddenly become unrealistic or ruin the immersion?

As far as I'm aware, there's no recorded dialogue for a homosexual relationship in ME2.  But in any case, the characters as they've developed so far in the two games have been established as heterosexual.  I don't want to see the characters change, for the sake of a same-sex relationship.  New characters, sure!  I have absolutely no problem with that, but the current character's shouldn't change who they are for the sake of this. (And I would say the same if it was a homosexual character people wanted to romance heterosexually.)  This is actually why I find the Garrus and Tali romances akward.  I like Tali's romance, I liked her in the first game, and so I did romance her in one playthru, and I guess it could be put down to simple character development, the relationship between old friends evolving into something more.  But for a character to express homosexual leanings when there was no indication of such in either the first or second game, just doesn't make sense to me.

*shrug*  In my mind, it just doesn't fit any of the characters, so it would break immersion for me if they changed the current squaddies to allow for a s/s relationship.

[Tirigon]

khevan wrote...

*shrug*  In my mind, it just doesn't fit any of the characters, so it would break immersion for me if they changed the current squaddies to allow for a s/s relationship.

Well..... Jack says she already HAD lesbian relationships in her past, and Thane, Garrus and Tali aren´t even human.
I doubt the gender of a human matters to them - they can´t reproduce anyways, and aren´t "compatible". Besides, all of them like Shepard because of his / her character, not because they think he / she is hot. I actually think it´s rather ridiculous they act differently depending on your gender.

[Collider]

That doesn't make much sense Tirigon. MShep and FShep have different body shapes - just as the aliens have different body shapes between their genders. A lesbian woman can like Liara but that doesn't mean she is going to like Liara in that way if Liara was male.

Modifié par Collider, 08 mai 2010 - 06:13 .

[khevan]

Tirigon wrote...

khevan wrote...

*shrug*  In my mind, it just doesn't fit any of the characters, so it would break immersion for me if they changed the current squaddies to allow for a s/s relationship.

Well..... Jack says she already HAD lesbian relationships in her past, and Thane, Garrus and Tali aren´t even human.
I doubt the gender of a human matters to them - they can´t reproduce anyways, and aren´t "compatible". Besides, all of them like Shepard because of his / her character, not because they think he / she is hot. I actually think it´s rather ridiculous they act differently depending on your gender.

I admit I'd forgotten about Jack talking about that, but to be honest, the rest of your statement doesn't make sense to me.  As a heterosexual human male, Thane and Garrus hold absolutely no sexual attraction for me, because, well, they're male.  I'd guess that they'd feel the way about me, were I actually Shepard. 

So, yeah, I guess I can see Jack being an option for a lesbian romance in ME3, considering what she said about her past, it fits with her character, but no-one else, to my knowledge, even hints at such an inclination in either ME1 or ME2 (except Liara, and we all know about that), so it'd be a major switch for them to develop homosexual leanings.  That's why I think having new LI options for ME3 would be the best option if Bioware introduces same sex romances into the MEverse.

Modifié par khevan, 08 mai 2010 - 06:12 .

[Sporothrix]

khevan wrote...
As a heterosexual human male, Thane and Garrus hold absolutely no sexual attraction for me, because, well, they're male.  I'd guess that they'd feel the way about me, were I actually Shepard.

As I remember, Garrus is only emotionally attracted to female character, not physically. Don't see any reason why he couldn't do the same with male.
And with Thane, he's reptile. Female of his species propably looks by our standards more manly than he is, so it would make much more sense if he was attracted to human male.

So, yeah, I guess I can see Jack being an option for a lesbian romance in ME3, considering what she said about her past, it fits with her character, but no-one else, to my knowledge, even hints at such an inclination in either ME1 or ME2

Tali's flirting with female Shepard, but because of cutted romance dialogue it leads to nowhere.

LiquidGrape wrote...
But you know, this is actually on-topic. Because it proves yet again
there is no reasonable doubt as to what sex asari are.
I mean,
honestly. I feel it's rather patronising of BioWare to imply that they
have no discernable features usually attributed to females when they
shove Samara at us.
Not that I complain, but the point stands strong.

There's still discussion about that? Bioware's intentions are clear:

http://tvtropes.org/...iscountLesbians

Modifié par misoretu9, 08 mai 2010 - 06:42 .

[Collider]

There were homosexual lines recorded for ALL romances (except Jacob), miso, it's not just Tali.

[Tirigon]

misoretu9 wrote...

khevan wrote...
As a heterosexual human male, Thane and Garrus hold absolutely no sexual attraction for me, because, well, they're male.  I'd guess that they'd feel the way about me, were I actually Shepard.

As I remember, Garrus is only emotionally attracted to female character, not physically. Don't see any reason why he couldn't do the same with male.
And with Thane, he's reptile. Female of his species propably looks by our standards more manly than he is, so it would make much more sense if he was attracted to human male.

So, yeah, I guess I can see Jack being an option for a lesbian romance in ME3, considering what she said about her past, it fits with her character, but no-one else, to my knowledge, even hints at such an inclination in either ME1 or ME2

Tali's flirting with female Shepard, but because of cutted romance dialogue it leads to nowhere.

I usually prefer to answer myself, but this says it everything.

[Sarcasm] Misoretu you damned Ninja!!! Stop stealing my words!  [/sarcasm]



Besides, do we even know Garrus is male? I mean, it´s told, but would you know by looking at him? I for sure wouldn´t.

[uzivatel]

Chill 0078 wrote...

Why can't we have samara

I think Samara is good the way she is in ME2 (other than her outfit) ... well, maybe they could have spend more time building up the tension between the two characters only to have her ultimately turn Shepard down anyway.