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[Onyx Jaguar]

Somebody you have to have 5 million lives

[Onyx Jaguar]

lovgreno wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

You are arguing for something that is NOT going to happen. We should all argue for something that COULD happen.

It could happen, it's Biowares choice not ours. Fine by me, its their game.

What could happen is that Bioware writes in the dialogue for ME 3 that turns characters bisexual.  What I have seen recently are people who want Bioware to add in sort of a highly customized experience to change the characters to their liking.  That is not going to happen.  Could it?  No it really couldn't.  Only if done by Mods, it would complicate the game far too much.

But we are already changing the characters to our liking. For example we have the choice of making Jacob turn his dad in or taking the law into his own hands, talking Wrex from a cynical loner into a corpse or a reformator for his whole race. In that perspective bisexuality isn't a big deal to me.
Bioware are changing their characters and giving us new ways of customising them all the time. A lot changed between ME and ME2. It's not realy up to us to say what is possible or not. Their game and their choice. They won't try to make us all happy but as many of us as possible.
What we can do is to speculate about changes and additions to improve the game. We can give BW a idea of what the players want. We are not building a consensus about what can or will be changed, no one knows that, not even Bioware.
I think we are getting off topic here, so lets not derail things further.

Oh please you are influencing events.  Has nothing to do with changing a person's sexuality.  This is a more major personal change.  It would be like changing someone's skin tone, their whole personality.  It will not happen.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I dunno, what does it mean?



How long would it take to count to five million?

[Tirigon]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Oh please you are influencing events.  Has nothing to do with changing a person's sexuality.  This is a more major personal change.  It would be like changing someone's skin tone, their whole personality.  It will not happen.

Sorry but that´s Bullsh!t.

A person´s sexuality is not set in stone, it can change.

[LiquidGrape]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Oh please you are influencing events.  Has nothing to do with changing a person's sexuality.  This is a more major personal change.  It would be like changing someone's skin tone, their whole personality.  It will not happen.

But a DLC or introduction of homosexual elements in established characters for ME3 wouldn't be so much a change as an elaboration.
True, certain characters have only been available for Shepards of a certain sex. That doesn't mean those relationships are ineligible to be explored further; either in downloadable content or in the future installation.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 11 mai 2010 - 06:11 .

[SorenTrigg]

And, again...as has been stated over and over.

No character that you can romance has *ever* stated "I am only into X".

No one in the game, aside from Kelly and Liara, have set sexualities.

[Onyx Jaguar]

SorenTrigg wrote...

And, again...as has been stated over and over.
No character that you can romance has *ever* stated "I am only into X".
No one in the game, aside from Kelly and Liara, have set sexualities.

Again I am not referrring to that I'm referring to the toggle proposal someone brought up to modify other characters, that are not Shepard, sexuality.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 11 mai 2010 - 05:53 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Tirigon wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Oh please you are influencing events.  Has nothing to do with changing a person's sexuality.  This is a more major personal change.  It would be like changing someone's skin tone, their whole personality.  It will not happen.

Sorry but that´s Bullsh!t.

A person´s sexuality is not set in stone, it can change.

How am I suppose to respond to this.

[Tirigon]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Again I am not referrring to that I'm referring to the toggle proposal someone brought up to modify other characters, that are not Shepard, sexuality.

The toggle is only a compromise. All characters should be bisexual, but since *some* people hate gays and think they ruin their games there should be a toggle so these people shut up.

[Tirigon]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Sorry but that´s Bullsh!t.

A person´s sexuality is not set in stone, it can change.

How am I suppose to respond to this.

In doubt, go for the truth: "I admit I was wrong and you are right".

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[SorenTrigg]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

And, again...as has been stated over and over.
No character that you can romance has *ever* stated "I am only into X".
No one in the game, aside from Kelly and Liara, have set sexualities.

Again I am not referrring to that I'm referring to the toggle proposal someone brought up to modify other characters, that are not Shepard, sexuality.

This was meant for all of the people saying how if same sex romances are put in, it will drastically change characters, since "They all have preset sexualities and are hetereosexual!".

[soignee]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Freud?
Your rhetorical fallacies aside, you actually pulled Freud out of the bag as the basis of a legitimate argument?
...
See, I usually never resort to this kind of language, but...

LOL

this. WOO OUT OF DATE THEORIES ARE OUT OF DATE

[Heather Cline]

I support this thread. I also like the idea's that were put forth on the first page. I believe such idea's are useful and could work in the long run.

[lovgreno]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Oh please you are influencing events.  Has nothing to do with changing a person's sexuality.  This is a more major personal change.  It would be like changing someone's skin tone, their whole personality.  It will not happen.

Or perhaps Shepard discovers a side of the person he and we didn't know about before, just like the real people we meet everyday. The writers add something to the character that wasn't there before, it has been done before. Major change in how we see the character yes, but still the same person, just with a little more options. Stranger things have happened in science fiction stories, especialy those that are developed over a long time with authours interested in fan feedback. The story about Shepard and the people he meets is not set in stone, especialy as the last chapter isn't even written yet. So it may happen if BW makes that choice, despite what we may think about it.

[Boombox]

Tirigon wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Oh please you are influencing events.  Has nothing to do with changing a person's sexuality.  This is a more major personal change.  It would be like changing someone's skin tone, their whole personality.  It will not happen.

Sorry but that´s Bullsh!t.

A person´s sexuality is not set in stone, it can change.

People cannot change their sexuality.

I've read some comments and all I can say is I really hope they don't make every character bi.. that would be completely stupid and would send the wrong message. People are born gay/straight/bi and I know this is just a game but I'd really hate for them to make it seem like it's something you can change, obviously it's not.

I like how Dragon Age had a variety. Some people (or characters) just aren't interested in gay relationships. I want same sex relationships but I really hope they don't mess it up..

[Siansonea]

Well, I heard from a reliable source that they're making all the characters not only bisexual, but also that they're going to have a real-time toggle to change the character's appearance on the fly, including skin tone, height, and bust size!!! Even the LOKI and YMIR mechs will be bisexual!!!!! It's true y'all, I heard it from a friend's cousin's barber's therapist's niece!!!!



The lesson here, of course, is that we should take everything with a grain of salt. I can't believe all of the 'much ado about nothing' in this thread, where suggestions are being shot down as if BioWare is actually considering any of them. In all likelihood, BioWare is not going to change anything, after all, why should they?

[LiquidGrape]

Siansonea II wrote...

The lesson here, of course, is that we should take everything with a grain of salt. I can't believe all of the 'much ado about nothing' in this thread, where suggestions are being shot down as if BioWare is actually considering any of them. In all likelihood, BioWare is not going to change anything, after all, why should they?

Sad but true. Unless...



"Honestly, you think anyone regardless of gender or sexual orientation could resist me?"

[Tirigon]

Boombox wrote...

People cannot change their sexuality.

Of course they can.
Sexuality develops during your life. If it was unchangeable children would be attracted to the same kind of people as they are as adults from birth on. This is not the case, so obviously sexuality can change.

[Tirigon]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Fairhammer wrote...
You MUST be from USA, there's no other
explenation for this b*ll-sh*t.
There wont be any konsequences at
least in Europe... germany has a GAY!!!!!!!!!!! (OMG OH NOEZ!!!!) 
foreign secretary. I'm surprised that you didn't get annoyed to be able
to play a black female shepard...
sry but this is so ridiculous...
srsly... you have problems.

Fairhammer, why don't learn a little bit more about foreign politics and world affairs before making such ignorant statements?  Spare us your self righteousness please.

Fairhammer is right. Westerwelle, the German foreign secretary IS gay.

Fairhammer wrote...
I'm straight but a
good friend of mine is gay and gay people aren't "unnormal".
(I'm
against every form of racism... And to call Gay-people unnormal is!
racism!)

Here we go again Fairhammer.  Why don't you look up the definiton of racism please?

Hating gays isn´t racism in the literal meaning, but it´s the same stupid, arrogant attitude of thinking. There is no real difference between hating people for their skin color and hating them for their sexuality.

Modifié par Tirigon, 11 mai 2010 - 08:38 .

[LiquidGrape]

We're losing focus again here.

TO MOVE ON. SWIFTLY;

Would you rather see a DLC which eliminates the gender check for the previous two installations, or see future exploration of the established characters' sexuality?

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 11 mai 2010 - 08:47 .

[SorenTrigg]

Eliminating the gender check would be perfectly fine. It is all I really want.



But, I would not say no to more in depth content.